Naruto Inconsistencies

BlackSun

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#1
With as many times Bakamoto didn't think things through, contradicted himself and gave in to yaoi fangirls, and the many discussions about it, usually hijacking some thread, I thought we should have a topic just for them. And maybe to think how a consistent world and timeline for Naruto would be.

Five things to discuss first:
1 - How did Naruto graduate at the same age as the rest of the Rookie 9, when he failed twice BEFORE the beggining of the manga?
2 - Elemental Chakra - would it fit if introduced from the beggining? And when would the shinobi be tested for their elemental type?
3 - Sharingan - Powers and limitations.
4 - Medic Ninjutsu - Requirements and limitations.
5 - Curse Seal.

I don't know if this is going anywhere, but I wanted to see what comes out of this.
 
#2
BlackSun said:
Five things to discuss first:
? 1 - How did Naruto graduate at the same age as the rest of the Rookie 9, when he failed twice BEFORE the beggining of the manga?
The standard answer to this is that other teachers were pushing Naruto to try early so that he would fail and either flunk out of the academy or get discouraged and leave. Problem with this is that in later flashbacks, we see that Iruka has been Naruto's teacher for several years. And while Iruka may not have an emotional connection to Naruto at that point, Iruka at least cares enough about students in general not to allow them to take the graduation exam before *he* believes they're ready. The other problem with this is that if the students themselves decided when to take it, team assignments would be hell.


BlackSun said:
2 - Elemental Chakra - would it fit if introduced from the beggining? And when would the shinobi be tested for their elemental type?
I actually think it *would* fit if introduced at the beginning, since there are so many elemental attacks, and it does make sense that some people would be better at manipulating their chakra in certain ways, depending on how the element "feels" and their mental state. And it should be something the jounin instructor tests his/her students for as soon as he/she decides to instruct them and not send them back to the academy.


BlackSun said:
3 - Sharingan - Powers and limitations.
It's powers should be in its very name. Sharingan -- Copy Wheel Eye. Meaning, it copies techniques, and only techniques. Ninjutsu only, and *maybe* it allows you to memorize an opponent's movements. It should not have facilitated Sasuke being able to break the Initial Gate (as he clearly did against Akadou Yoroi)

Limitations: it requires vast amounts of chakra to use on a regular basis. It can only copy ninjutsu techniques and rudimentary body movements. No outright movement prediction; no seeing through genjutsu; and no taijutsu-style theft. Also, two forms only: three-pin, and Mangekyou (Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel). Mangekyou for Itachi only, and he was lying about how to awaken it: instead of killing your closest friend, it requires an even stronger emotional experience than the type which awakened the Sharingan in the first place. Mangekyou vastly increases your chakra reserves and nothing else. Itachi can keep his Sharingan active constantly because he's an extraordinarily powerful freak of nature, which is what he was implied to be by Orochimaru being so utterly terrified of him that Orochimaru left Akatsuki when Itachi was ten years old, and Orochimaru was already technically immortal.


BlackSun said:
? 4 - Medic Ninjutsu - Requirements and limitations.
Requirements: chakra control on a level that only a handful of shinobi ever achieve, where no chakra is wasted either in its gathering or its manipulation. If absolute control is not demonstrated, the healing will go haywire and the area that is healed may become cancerous, or the healer and patient could die from improperly controlled spiritual energies rushing through their systems.

Limitations: the less chakra a medic-nin has, the less of himself he can heal or the less power he can use on healing others. Tsunade-style regeneration should only be available to HER ALONE, simply because she's on a "level" that is considered legendary.


BlackSun said:
? 5 - Curse Seal.
Powers: by drugging the muscles with "spiritual steroids" and flooding the brain with certain neurotransmitters, the Seal can temporarily induce massive increases in chakra production.

Limitations: most people die when it is applied, as it is a profound shock to their system, since it must be applied by a very powerful external threat with malicious intent. Long-term use will considerably degrade user's body as steroids do, plus its application binds a piece of your soul to Orochimaru forever. When he puts the CS on you and you survive, you are HIS TOOL. FOREVER.
 

ttestagr

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#3
BlackSun said:
With as many times Bakamoto didn't think things through, contradicted himself and gave in to yaoi fangirls, and the many discussions about it, usually hijacking some thread, I thought we should have a topic just for them. And maybe to think how a consistent world and timeline for Naruto would be.

Five things to discuss first:
? ? ? ?
1 - How did Naruto graduate at the same age as the rest of the Rookie 9, when he failed twice BEFORE the beggining of the manga?
Have him fail regular end of year exams instead of the graduation exam. That's the only way to fix that inconsistancy if you keep all of the flashbacks.


2 - Elemental Chakra - would it fit if introduced from the beggining? And when would the shinobi be tested for their elemental type?
First off, the test shouldn't have been that piece of shit paper test. I'd make testing start at chuunin level, and done by actually having the ninja try to do minor elemental jutsu. Whichever ones you don't suck at are your type.

3 - Sharingan - Powers and limitations.
I'd keep it able to copy everything, but give every user the limitations that Kakashi had at the beginning of the series (massive chakra used, and exhaustion afterwords)

I'd get rid of the slow motion sight and being able to see into the future (Kakashi's fight against Zabuza would be just his genius at being able to do what he's copying as its happening and his personal ability to read an opponent.) The first level Sharingan would also only be able to copy taijutsu, with the second level able to do nin and genjutsu.

The Mangekyou is more difficult to keep from being overpowered. I'd make it able to do the 3 S level techniques (Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano) but it can't do any of the normal sharingan copying while its activated. It also puts massive strain on the user.

4 - Medic Ninjutsu - Requirements and limitations.
I'd have it require jounin level control and power. The don't work in the hospital, that's what regular doctors are for. Med nins are very few and their purpose is to go out on high danger, certain death missions to keep the team going until its completed. No team of med nins following the chase arc, they're all busy elsewhere. So Chouji and Neji die.


5 - Curse Seal.
No dragonball-esqe level 2 :no: It draws out the users chakra to make them more powerful at the expense of stamina. The major downside is that unless it is sealed the victim can't increase the amount of chakra they have. It's designed to make Oro stronger and as he's pretty much reached his chakra potential, it doesn't matter to him that it stunts the victim.
 

BlackSun

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#4
Also, two forms only: three-pin, and Mangekyou (Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel). Mangekyou for Itachi only, and he was lying about how to awaken it: instead of killing your closest friend, it requires an even stronger emotional experience than the type which awakened the Sharingan in the first place.
Sasuke had an incomplete at first, and I think it made some sense. Also, I don't see why it can't be killing your best friend to awaken the Mangekyou.


I'd keep it able to copy everything, but give every user the limitations that Kakashi had at the beginning of the series (massive chakra used, and exhaustion afterwords)
Kakashi's was implanted, he can't use it perfectly, and it probably drains him more than usual.

I'd get rid of the slow motion sight and being able to see into the future (Kakashi's fight against Zabuza would be just his genius at being able to do what he's copying as its happening and his personal ability to read an opponent.) The first level Sharingan would also only be able to copy taijutsu, with the second level able to do nin and genjutsu.
I have to check, but I think Sasuke's Sharingan at the level he was made it easier for him to dodge while fighting Haku.

The Mangekyou is more difficult to keep from being overpowered. I'd make it able to do the 3 S level techniques (Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano) but it can't do any of the normal sharingan copying while its activated. It also puts massive strain on the user.
I don't know. It was stated that it deteriotes the eyes of the user, and the 3 (2 for now) techiniques drain a lot of chakra.

I'd have it require jounin level control and power.
I don't think every jounin have the control to use it. And Sakura certainly doesn't have the power (not that a shinobi's power can be measured by his/her chakra capacity).

No dragonball-esqe level 2 nono.gif
I wouldn't mind it, as long as some further side-effects were introduced to compensate.


Off topic: how do I quote something while keeping the name of the author of the post and place my comments between portions of what I'm quoting?
 
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BlackSun said:
Off topic: how do I quote something while keeping the name of the author of the post and place my comments between portions of what I'm quoting?
You put their name in the initial quote box.

Such as {quote=nuclear death frog}stuff{/quote}

Except, with [] and not {}.
 
#6
BlackSun said:
nuclear death frog said:
Also, two forms only: three-pin, and Mangekyou (Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel). Mangekyou for Itachi only, and he was lying about how to awaken it: instead of killing your closest friend, it requires an even stronger emotional experience than the type which awakened the Sharingan in the first place.
Sasuke had an incomplete at first, and I think it made some sense.
The problem with having several levels of the Sharingan isn't Sasuke. It's Kakashi.

He isn't an Uchiha. And yet he was still able to upgrade his "borrowed" and uncontrolled Sharingan twice -- well, twice if you acknowledge Part 2, which I basically don't. But the Kakashi Gaiden isn't as complete shit as Part 2, and we clearly see Kakashi being given the two-pin, newly-awakened Sharingan of the mortally wounded Uchiha Obito, his teammate.

Actually, I take it back. Sasuke is also a problem with having many levels of the Sharingan, because his incomplete is so powerful that it allows him to steal a huge portion of Lee's taijutsu style and gain Lee's speed (though not his strength or stamina or fluidity) after one short viewing and a single month of work where taijutsu wasn't his only focus, because he was also working on the Chidori that Kakashi taught him.


BlackSun said:
Also, I don't see why it can't be killing your best friend to awaken the Mangekyou.
Per the hated Part 2, it obviously isn't. Itachi was lying anyway. Unless you believe Kakashi killed his best friend in the 2.5 years between Parts, when he specifically said early on in Part 1 that all his precious people were already dead. And he said in Team 7's first meeting that his best friend was already listed on the Cenotaph.
 

BlackSun

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#7
Per the hated Part 2, it obviously isn't. Itachi was lying anyway. Unless you believe Kakashi killed his best friend in the 2.5 years between Parts, when he specifically said early on in Part 1 that all his precious people were already dead. And he said in Team 7's first meeting that his best friend was already listed on the Cenotaph.
You're right. Sharingan can't have more than two leves (tree-pin and Mangekyou) without screwing up something.
But Sasuke saw very little of Lee's fighting style.
 

Israfel

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#8
nuclear death frog said:
BlackSun said:
Also, I don't see why it can't be killing your best friend to awaken the Mangekyou.
Per the hated Part 2, it obviously isn't. Itachi was lying anyway. Unless you believe Kakashi killed his best friend in the 2.5 years between Parts, when he specifically said early on in Part 1 that all his precious people were already dead. And he said in Team 7's first meeting that his best friend was already listed on the Cenotaph.
I think that what it really takes to activate the Mangekyou is some extreme emotional situation and the resolution or commitment to something, I think that killing his best friend was just the way that Itachi went about achieving this and since he already wanted Sasuke to suffer anyway he told the same to him.

As for the others.

1 - How did Naruto graduate at the same age as the rest of the Rookie 9, when he failed twice BEFORE the beginning of the manga?
I figure the Sandaime allowed him to start the Academy early thus explaining how he could fail the exam three times and end up with kids his own age, as for why Team Gai doesn't know him I'd guess it was just because they were never in the same class or they were just to wrapped with their own lives to notice the little blond urchin.

2 - Elemental Chakra - would it fit if introduced from the beginning? And when would the shinobi be tested for their elemental type?
Because of the fact that it was introduced so late in the series and was such a big genesis in the way that the whole fighting system in the Naruto-verse worked it seemed like it had been thought up at the last minute and then just roughly stitched into the plot, after all we should have at least heard about this at some point before the timeskip, you can't have something that big and important to everyoneÆs fighting abilities and just not hear a word of it, it's just not feasible, thus I'd prefer it either be their from the start or not at all.

3 - Sharingan - Powers and limitations.
Bah, at it's incomplete stage it should only provide increased visual perception and comprehension and limited copying. At it's full form it should allow you to somewhat predict what your opponent was going to do and provide full copying of ninjutsu and individual taijutsu attacks, but not whole styles. Also, should drain a moderate to significant amount of chakra, Sasuke shouldn't be able to use it for more than a half an hour at a time. As for Mangekyou, Kakashi should not be able to achieve it, first of all, and it should provide enhanced foresight of your opponents moves, and full copying of most everything, but it would copy EVERYTHING, as in everything you saw while it was turned on was permanently etched into your brain, no matter how minute or insignificant the detail, thus causing severe mental strain and migraines, also, using the three jutsus that come with it should cause massive strain on the eye and should be able to, over years of use, cause permanent blindness eventually (I saw a story where this was happening to Itachi once), also, this should cause a massive drain on your chakra, Sasuke should not be able to use it for more than ten minutes at a time.

4 - Medic Ninjutsu - Requirements and limitations.
This should require excellent chakra control, but not so much as to make it near impossible or as extreme as some were suggesting. Also, there should be some sort of price the healer would have to pay for healing higher level injuries (i.e. mortal injuries), equivalent exchange and all that, this would be offset by more than one healer doing the healing, thus splitting the 'price' between all of them.

5 - Curse Seal.
Curse Seal = AUTOMATIC FAIL! It should allow you to have massive chakra boost while using it but at the consequence of your own health (as in like how much damage is incurred from opening the First Gate). Also, after receiving it, NO chakra growth should be possible, you are automatically halted at whatever point of development and doomed to stay there. Also, if a person uses it regularly, they should not be able to live more than three years after receiving it.
 

toraneko

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#9
1. Naruto's three-time testing
I write this down to the inconsistencies that do crop up in any given shounen manga, due to the way the industry tends to work. Basically, an author can only have their work remain in Shounen Jump and the like if they continue to receive enough fan mail. So, the typical mangaka will keep the script from being fully plotted ahead so that they have plenty of leeway to change things to the fans' liking.
I don't like that system at all, but it explains just about everything.

Anyway...
The way I see it, the Academy graduation tests are likely done at regular intervals, on a voluntary basis - one must sign up to take the test. This helps keep things structured, and makes it easier to have possible Jounin-sensei on standby to take teams.
There would also be a limited number of slots available for testing, in multiples of three, so that there wouldn't be any passing students who had no team, or teams that go short by one genin. (If Tsunade has her way, that might become four students to a team.)
That's as good a paradigm as I can conceive at the moment. So, in this situation, Naruto signs himself onto the test-takers' list as soon as he's applicable, not paying attention to his own ability to pass the test at all. He fails every time until Mizuki's plot.
Iruka likely tried to discourage Naruto from doing this, but Naruto has demonstrated time and again the ability to tone out Iruka's lectures. Since the decision rests with the student, not the teacher, Iruka didn't have a say in whether Naruto could take the test or not. So, Iruka resigned himself to judging the test as fairly and without bias as he was able.

2. Elemental Chakra
Yes, I think it does fit. Kakashi was surprised way back in the bell test at Sasuke's ability to use Goukakyuu no Jutsu, and commented that nobody lower than chuunin should have been able to use it; thus it does have some backing that elemental control is considered a chuunin-level skill. Furthermore, nothing was stated that contradicts the concept, and it does fit well enough with the tone of the series.
My personal opinion on the matter is not so positive. I mean, jeez, it's so cliche!

3. Sharingan: Cheating Made Easy
(yes, I know. :p)
Here's the way I puzzle out the ranks of the Sharingan, and their requirements and limitations. For my mind, I imagine that each level builds on the previous one.

One comma bestows sharpened visual reflexes, meaning fast-moving objects become easier to track. Also, it gives the user the ability to see the presence of chakra in the user's FOV - somewhat like the Byakugan, although Sharingan doesn't give the x-ray 360-degree long-distance vision. This likely would allow the user to detect low-level genjutsu by the presence of chakra in the environment.
The requirement for this is likely mere practice and visual exercise, as normal people can accomplish something similar. The difference is in the use of chakra in the eyes, to enable the Sharingan to see normal chakra in the visible spectrum and to enhance the tracking ability beyond what should be possible.

The second comma is when the copying aspect comes in. Furthering the chakra-vision and fast tracking of the first comma, it adds temporary neural connections to the processing and memory centers of the brain. When a ninjutsu or taijutsu technique is witnessed by 2C Sharingan, a part of the brain automatically records the chakra usage and body movements, thus the user copies the skill.
Another effect of gaining this stage is the ability to detect the difference between bunshin and real bodies, and to see through stronger genjutsu. The skill-copy abilities can detail the subtle nuances of chakra flow, thus Kage Bunshin and the like would show up as "not the same" compared to normal bodies.
The requirement for gaining the second comma is obviously being forced to do so through a life-or-death situation. Obito and Sasuke both got theirs this way. It's also apparent that a certain amount of chakra control experience is necessary.

The third comma introduces the movement prediction ability. Since Kakashi stated that the Sharingan can't see the future, I conclude that 3C Sharingan acts somewhat like a chess computer. Its chakra-vision and speed-tracking abilities have become so advanced that the analysis part of the brain set aside for the Sharingan can use the target's body posture, chakra flow, and other data to determine the most likely action the target will take, and then relay that conclusion to the user's consciousness. This manifests itself in a "pre-image" of the opponent's attack showing up in the user's field of view.
The requirement for this is uncertain to me (and would likely be a closely kept Uchiha secret). However, I suspect it to be (not counting lots of practice with the second stage) the state of mental turmoil that comes from willingly acting against one's own strong convictions.

Mangekyou Sharingan is a form that I don't think of as being another level, but rather an "overdrive gear" of the third level. I decided this because A. it's the only form that doesn't always activate whenever the Sharingan is used, B. it doesn't seem to bestow any skills that build off of the earlier levels, instead giving the user access to entirely new doujutsu, and C. it damages the user's eyes.
The two abilities clearly named in the manga are Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu. Tsukiyomi is the "three days of hell in an instant" killer genjutsu technique, which is especially dangerous in that the only thing the user has to do to trap a target in it is to make eye contact. Amaterasu somehow produces black flames that cannot be extinguished by normal means; Jiraiya himself had to seal the flames in a highest-rank seal jutsu to stop them. (The fan-speculated "Susanoo" Mangekyou art is just that: speculation. There is no evidence to even suggest the existence of such a technique.)
The requirements for this form are stated to be "killing your closest friend" by Itachi. This fits my idea of the third level's requirement, and takes it one step further: instead of merely going against one's principles, in killing their closest friend, one is acting against that which they hold most dear. This would undeniably cause an astonishing degree of mental turmoil in the would-be Mangekyou user, which pushes the third-level Sharingan into "overdrive".

On Kakashi's Sharingan
Kakashi's body is suitable for hosting the Sharingan, but since he's no Uchiha, it's not naturally wired for it. So, it uses chakra inefficiently and tires him out faster.
The ability to evolve the level-2 eye to third level strikes me as odd, but not irreconcilable to logic, since Itachi only commented on Kakashi's inability to use Mangekyou.
I don't think Kakashi's "Mangekyou Sharingan" is actually the real deal. I think it's an incomplete version, since the "blades" on it aren't fully filled-in. My guess is that he attempted to unlock it by drawing on his memories of the comrades he lost, coupled with deep hypnosis. However, since he knows that he is not the guilty party in their deaths, his mind can't slip into the insanity that Mangekyou thrives on. (ninja-edit) Since Kakashi's not-quite-Mangekyou Sharingan is an aberration, and he likely doesn't have any knowledge of the real MS arts (which the Uchiha kept hidden in their main house), he seems to have made a new technique for his incomplete version. This one is obviously not an easy technique to do, since it drains a large amount of chakra (which Kakashi admits to not having all that much of) and distorts the user's vision, making it hard to aim.

That's the whole of my theory. Now as for my personal opinion on it, I don't think Kishimoto made the Sharingan too powerful - I think he made Sasuke too powerful. The Sharingan is a damn dirty cheat, but they're ninja! The whole point of ninja battle is to cheat better than the opposition!


4. Medic-nin and their art
This one is tricky, as its ups and downs haven't been fully explored in the manga.
Basically, it's stated that the user must have perfect chakra control, wasting no chakra in either the molding or in the jutsu. Also, they must have a surgeon's precision and mental focus. If any of those is lacking, the jutsu could harm instead of healing.
As for the requirements of doing the medic-nin's job successfully, I'd include two more: stamina and patience. Rush a healing job, and something will go wrong; any good doctor would say the same. A high level of endurance is required for those jobs like Neji's patch-job after his fight with Kidoumaru, where a high-level medical jutsu had to be maintained for hours before it was finished.
It seems that in cases where living tissue must be replaced, a medical jutsu can do the job as long as two materials are provided: an ample amount of organic material, and a DNA sample to give it a blueprint on which to work.
Regarding medic-nin fighting... well, I think it's pretty stupid, to be honest. You could have a ninja who knows a fair amount of medical jutsu, but didn't go as far as the ER surgeons - in effect, a shinobi field surgeon - and that'd be fine, but that ninja would still have to be kept off the front line. Exposing your medic to the brunt of the battle means endangering the lives of those wounded who the medic might otherwise have been able to save.
On the assumption that it's necessary, a medic-nin's battle skills should be focused on abilities that either get the nin out of the thick of things, or knock the enemy back far enough to allow the medic-nin to do their job.
Again, the manga didn't go in-depth enough on the subject for deep speculation.

5. Curse Seal
It seems to work on a twisted version of the Eight Gates. It draws out chakra automatically, but also wears down the body of the user (for those familiar with DBZ, it seems to be an evil bastardization of the Kaioh-ken). What each different type of seal - e.g., Sasuke and Anko's seals are the "heaven seal", while Kimimaro's was the "Gaia seal" - does, what differentiates them, is unknown.
The intended side effect of accepting and using the curse seal is that, each time it's used, the user is twisted further and further into becoming Orochimaru's puppet. Judging by Sasuke's dark downturn after accepting the seal, it does its job well.
Curse seal level 2 requires the user to undergo a near-death experience. When they use it, they fully immerse their bodies in the corruption of the seal. This causes their bodies to be transformed to a shape unique to the user, as well as amplifying the effects of the normal cursed seal.
One of the stated side-effects of the cursed seal is that it ultimately limits the potential of the user. It never said that the user would never grow beyond their current level, merely that they would not be able to reach the same level they would be able to on their own. Still, it's very annoying to have Sasuke made out as some insurmountable foe that even the Nine-tailed Demon Fox fears.
Personally, I think that the Curse Seal is appropriate for someone like Orochimaru to use. I would have thought Sasuke would fight it and be determined to go it alone as always, but he's apparently too much of a pussy to kill his brother without Orochimaru there to hold his hand.
 
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toraneko said:
5. Curse Seal
It seems to work on a twisted version of the Eight Gates. It draws out chakra automatically, but also wears down the body of the user (for those familiar with DBZ, it seems to be an evil bastardization of the Kaioh-ken).
No. It's clear from Lee's opening of the Gates against Gaara that the opening of the Gates themselves is the homage to the Kaiou-ken. Lee's muscles expand slightly, a huge *red* aura he can't control surrounds him and wildly devastates the area, his hair is whipped up in the summoning of his power, and it tears his body apart with its rapid increase in released power. To some extent it's analogous to a Super Saiya-jin transformation, except that has no deleterious effects on the Saiya-jin/hybrid's body.
 

toraneko

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#11
nuclear death frog said:
No. It's clear from Lee's opening of the Gates against Gaara that the opening of the Gates themselves is the homage to the Kaiou-ken.
I never denied that, nor addressed it. What I said is, the curse seal resembles an "evil bastardization of the Kaioh-ken", and if I didn't make it clear engouh, I meant primarily in its effects and side-effects.

To some extent it's analogous to a Super Saiya-jin transformation, except that has no deleterious effects on the Saiya-jin/hybrid's body.
I think you've got that backwards. Going SSJ had no negative effects on the user's body, while the Kaioh-ken is explicitly stated to increase various attributes (ki strength, physical strength and speed) at the cost of damaging the body and reducing the user's remaining physical stamina.
 
#12
When I said "that" I meant the SSj transform, not the Kaiou-ken.
 

cilrais

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#14
I had a thought: why were none of the sharingan eyes from the uchiha massacre implanted into just about every konoha shinobi a la kakashi?
 

Gong

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#15
(Toraneko)
Also, it gives the user the ability to see the presence of chakra in the user's FOV - somewhat like the Byakugan, although Sharingan doesn't give the x-ray 360-degree long-distance vision. This likely would allow the user to detect low-level genjutsu by the presence of chakra in the environment.
A bit of a refinement to this bit, if I may? Have the Sharingan be able to see chakra in it's field of view, but not at the same resolution as the Byakugan. This, along with the lack of X-ray vision, explains why a Sharingan user can't detect Tenketsu. It also explains why a Sharingan user can't copy jutsu that don't use hand seals. They can detect the chakra being used by the technique, and they get a general sense of what it's doing, but they need to see and use the Sharingan to memorise a jutsu's hand seals in order to use it properly. Otherwise, the Sharingan user can't manipulate the chakra precisely enough to pull off the jutsu "on the fly."

Basically, I agree with Toraneko here. The Sharingan isn't that overpowered compared to the Byakugan. Both are nasty ass doujutsu. The Byakugan has 360 degree x-ray vision with zoom and chakra detection capabilities. The Sharingan can predict movements and copy shit, as well as do some low-level hypnosis. The Sharingan's movement prediction abilities are useless unless the user can react fast enough, as mentioned in Lee & Sasuke's initial fight. Mangekyo Sharingan was, until Kakashi just kinda got a weird version of it...and Rasengan, something that occurred only three times in Uchiha history and will eventually render it's user as blind as a bat. In the part two fight Itachi had trouble seeing Naruto and company from 30 feet away. Bit of a drawback when one of its strongest techniques requires eye contact.

The big problem with the Sharingan is that Kishimoto practically makes a mess in his pants whenever he gets to write a Sasuke scene, and goes totally overboard. I swear, it's like Sasuke is some kind of poorly concealed SI character or something and Naruto is a representative of some kid who was mean to him as a child.

"Pick on me, will you? Well I'll make you a total moron who gets shit on by the whole damn world in my new manga! You wanna know who I'll be? I'll be the darkly handsome genius bishounen with the tragic past and the cool bloodlimit who gets all the hot ninja babes he can handle! How do you like that, you little bastard?!"

Kishimoto then goes on to write the insanely popular Naruto, and the psychiatrist who suggested that he "write out his anger in some kind of journal or story format" wonders where everything went terribly wrong...

What I don't get is how Itachi trapped Naruto in a Genjutsu using only his finger...and how after three years as an apprentice a Sannin Naruto was stupid enough not to check while fighting someone who uses Genjutsu in all of his on-panel fights.

Edit: Whoops. Messed up the quote box in my initial post. I'll just do this until I remember how to properly attribute quotes. I know I saw how recently, I just have to search for it.
 

Liam-don

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#16
cilrais said:
I had a thought: why were none of the sharingan eyes from the uchiha massacre implanted into just about every konoha shinobi a la kakashi?
Because once the user is dead, their eyes return to normal.

The big problem with the Sharingan is that Kishimoto practically makes a mess in his pants whenever he gets to write a Sasuke scene
Quoted for awesomeness! :yay:
 

Israfel

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#17
I had a thought: why were none of the sharingan eyes from the uchiha massacre implanted into just about every konoha shinobi a la kakashi?
Because Obito gave Kakashi his eye while he was still alive once a Uchiha is dead their eyes are useless.

Kishimoto then goes on to write the insanely popular Naruto, and the psychiatrist who suggested that he "write out his anger in some kind of journal or story format" wonders where everything went terribly wrong...
Hey that's how Eva got made, and look how that turned out. After all, Anno wrote it as a way to deal with his own depression, so Shinji is probably actually one of the biggest self-inserts ever, it's just that Anno hated himself enough at the time to make his SI get shit on by the entire world instead of making him uber, though he still does get all the main character perks.

What I don't get is how Itachi trapped Naruto in a Genjutsu using only his finger...and how after three years as an apprentice a Sannin Naruto was stupid enough not to check while fighting someone who uses Genjutsu in all of his on-panel fights.
*points to previous paragraph * V

The big problem with the Sharingan is that Kishimoto practically makes a mess in his pants whenever he gets to write a Sasuke scene, and goes totally overboard. I swear, it's like Sasuke is some kind of poorly concealed SI character or something and Naruto is a representative of some kid who was mean to him as a child.

"Pick on me, will you? Well I'll make you a total moron who gets shit on by the whole damn world in my new manga! You wanna know who I'll be? I'll be the darkly handsome genius bishounen with the tragic past and the cool bloodlimit who gets all the hot ninja babes he can handle! How do you like that, you little bastard?!"
Edit: Whoops. Messed up the quote box in my initial post. I'll just do this until I remember how to properly attribute quotes. I know I saw how recently, I just have to search for it.
After the [QOUTE] box put ='name of user' within the box after the word 'quote', like this [QOUTE=Gong].
 

cilrais

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#19
Another thing I don't understand is how Tsunade is Tenten's idol, yet Tenten's fighting style is not at all similar to Tsunade's.
Or is the 'Tenten hero-worships Tsunade' thing just overexaggerated in fanon?
 
#21
Hey, mind if I add one more inconsistency?

Once upon a time, there was an entire CLAN with the Sharingan and the ability to copy enemy jutsus.

So why on earth is Kakashi famous as the "Copy-ninja?" Is he better at it than all the Uchiha that came before him? Or have people forgotten about the Uchiha clan so quickly since their untimely demise?
 

cilrais

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#22
I think it's because the Uchiha probably didn't use all that many copied jutsu, prefering to use their fire jutsus and the pre-cog ability of the sharingan. Then you have Kakashi who goes out of his way to copy skills and even say what his opponent says word for word and you can see why he's called Copy-nin.
 
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