Nasuverse Iron is my blood, and LIGHT is my heart

nixofcyzerra

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MWkillkenny84 said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Although Gilgamesh's ego is out of control, this weakness is compensated for by the fact that Gil is really good at gauging the strength of an opponent. He saw through Caster's fake death, and could tell how many projections Shirou was preparing. He moved back when Rin contracted with Saber, and according to interviews, "-he would not consider having a battle of swordsmanship with Assassin-."

So he'd sense that Sephiroth's no push-over. He definitely wouldn't enter the fight without his armour on, and he'd try to stay out of Sephy's range.

Then Sephy teleports right next to him and scratches his armour, and Gil gets serious.
And start an Ultimate Showdown of Destiny.
With the arena as collateral damage.
Even worse if it's the kid version of Gil.
He do less sword-spam and more use of artifacts.
Well, it's not going to be Kid-Gil, but I haven't actually played F/HA (I thought it was still being translated?)

What artefacts does Kid-Gil use?
 

nick012000

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nixofcyzerra said:
As for your second idea, Berserker Heracles is a Servant. Servants are comprised of the 5th substance, while humans and other living things are made out of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd. The Heartless can barely even sense Servants, and Servants cannot become incomplete beings like Heartless or Nobodies. They're immune. Of course, an extremely powerful Heartless could kill a servant through blunt trauma or whatever.

And God Hand protects Heracles from death, and losing one's Heart is not really the same thing. It's possible that "Axlechres" would be a Nobody that would need to be defeated 12 times if Heracles had lost his Heart while he was alive, but...
You misunderstood. I'm not talking about Berserker!Hercules being attacked by Heartless, but the corrupting effects of the Darkness on the people of worlds that the Darkness has destroyed. It'd eventually dissolve his Heart (just like almost any other adult who survives the Heartless invasion), and then (because he's motherfucking Hercules), he'd form a humanoid Nobody. Then God Hand would kick in, and regenerate his Heart and make him immune to the Heart-corrupting effects of the Darkness. And God Hand should kick in, since even normal Nobodies are capable of growing new Hearts given the opportunity to do so.
 

MWkillkenny84

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nixofcyzerra said:
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Well, it's not going to be Kid-Gil, but I haven't actually played F/HA (I thought it was still being translated?)

What artefacts does Kid-Gil use?
Normal!Gil open the Gate and start to shoot sword at his opponent. If the Opponent is worth of his time, he start to use the sowrds/other things inside the Gate as SWORDS/OTHERS and their powers.
Kid!Gil open the gate bypass the 'valutating' phase of his older version, and use the artifacts inside the Gate as they had to be used (ex: instead of shooting lots of swords, call the prototype of X Noble Phantasm and use its powers instead of shooting it).
 

nixofcyzerra

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nick012000 said:
nixofcyzerra said:
As for your second idea, Berserker Heracles is a Servant. Servants are comprised of the 5th substance, while humans and other living things are made out of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd. The Heartless can barely even sense Servants, and Servants cannot become incomplete beings like Heartless or Nobodies. They're immune. Of course, an extremely powerful Heartless could kill a servant through blunt trauma or whatever.

And God Hand protects Heracles from death, and losing one's Heart is not really the same thing. It's possible that "Axlechres" would be a Nobody that would need to be defeated 12 times if Heracles had lost his Heart while he was alive, but...
You misunderstood. I'm not talking about Berserker!Hercules being attacked by Heartless, but the corrupting effects of the Darkness on the people of worlds that the Darkness has destroyed. It'd eventually dissolve his Heart (just like almost any other adult who survives the Heartless invasion), and then (because he's motherfucking Hercules), he'd form a humanoid Nobody. Then God Hand would kick in, and regenerate his Heart and make him immune to the Heart-corrupting effects of the Darkness. And God Hand should kick in, since even normal Nobodies are capable of growing new Hearts given the opportunity to do so.
Berserker isn't going to end up in the RoD. And that corruption only takes place there. Leon and Aerith certainly aren't slowly being corrupted.

My point is that Servants are an entirely different existence from other living beings. They're guardians of humanity when they're not being summoned for a ritual. Being comprised of one substance (the 5th) instead of 3 (the 1st, 2nd and 3rd,) they are beings that cannot have their "parts" separated. No matter what happens, a Servant cannot lose their Heart under any circumstances.

I'm undecided as to whether Berserker's mad enhancement, being "artificial" instead of a natural rage, will cause him to use the powers of Darkness.

And Losing one's Heart is not the same as Death, or even injury. God Hand gives Herac 11 extra lives with resurrection magic. But if Heracles in life had been attacked by a Heartless with A Rank attack, and had lost his Heart, then God Hand would not have been triggered. Heracles's Nobody might have grown a Heart, but the process would just be like any other Nobody's. His Nobody, having his body, would keep God Hand.

Sora, Master Xehanort and Lea have all been turned into Heartless and then restored, although we never saw Lea's heartless, and they haven't come back from the dead.


MWkillkenny84 said:
nixofcyzerra said:
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Well, it's not going to be Kid-Gil, but I haven't actually played F/HA (I thought it was still being translated?)

What artefacts does Kid-Gil use?
Normal!Gil open the Gate and start to shoot sword at his opponent. If the Opponent is worth of his time, he start to use the sowrds/other things inside the Gate as SWORDS/OTHERS and their powers.
Kid!Gil open the gate bypass the 'valutating' phase of his older version, and use the artifacts inside the Gate as they had to be used (ex: instead of shooting lots of swords, call the prototype of X Noble Phantasm and use its powers instead of shooting it).
Sorry, "valutating?" And hang on, I thought that Gil couldn't use the powers of his NP's in the Gate of Babylon (aside from the King's Treasure, Ea and Endiku) because he's a collector and not a wielder. Gil can't just bust out proto-Gae Bolg and use it's ability, can he?
 

MastaofBitches

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nixofcyzerra said:
Gil can't just bust out proto-Gae Bolg and use it's ability, can he?
He could use "Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death",since that's the actual ability of the weapon itself. But he couldn't use "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death", since it's actually a technique developed by Lancer himself, and not an ability of the spear.

Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death is the one that reverses Cause and Effect, by the way.
 

nixofcyzerra

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MastaofBitches said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Gil can't just bust out proto-Gae Bolg and use it's ability, can he?
He could use "Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death",since that's the actual ability of the weapon itself. But he couldn't use "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death", since it's actually a technique developed by Lancer himself, and not an ability of the spear.

Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death is the one that reverses Cause and Effect, by the way.
Oh, I'd forgotten that Lancer invented the causality-reversing technique. But Gil can still use Gungnir's SStSwD (which according to Archer, is inferior to Gae Bolg's) without any problem? I would think the fact that he only collected the treasures, and never actually wielded them, would be an issue. Does the whole "not a wielder" thing just means he's not that good at swordsmanship?
 

MastaofBitches

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nixofcyzerra said:
MastaofBitches said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Gil can't just bust out proto-Gae Bolg and use it's ability, can he?
He could use "Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death",since that's the actual ability of the weapon itself. But he couldn't use "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death", since it's actually a technique developed by Lancer himself, and not an ability of the spear.

Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death is the one that reverses Cause and Effect, by the way.
Oh, I'd forgotten that Lancer invented the causality-reversing technique. But Gil can still use Gungnir's SStSwD (which according to Archer, isn't quite as powerful as Gae Bolg's?)

So the whole "not a wielder" thing just means he's not that good at swordsmanship?
Basically.
 

nixofcyzerra

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MastaofBitches said:
nixofcyzerra said:
MastaofBitches said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Gil can't just bust out proto-Gae Bolg and use it's ability, can he?
He could use "Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death",since that's the actual ability of the weapon itself. But he couldn't use "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death", since it's actually a technique developed by Lancer himself, and not an ability of the spear.

Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death is the one that reverses Cause and Effect, by the way.
Oh, I'd forgotten that Lancer invented the causality-reversing technique. But Gil can still use Gungnir's SStSwD (which according to Archer, isn't quite as powerful as Gae Bolg's?)

So the whole "not a wielder" thing just means he's not that good at swordsmanship?
Basically.
All-right, I guess I've got a good idea of how the Gil vs. Sephiroth fight will go now.
 

nick012000

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Also, after following a link to one of its musical sequences while surfing another board, another world you might want to have Kotomine visit is that of Prince of Egypt.

OOC it's never shown up in any of the Kingdom Hearts games because wow, religious landmine. IC it's probably because the Old Testament God is there to, well, go Old Testament God on any Heartless who try to attack the Heart of the World, and thus its destruction is prevented.

But to see Kotomine meet Moses, or possibly even having a visitation from God Himself, would be a very interesting scene, especially after him meeting Frollo.
 

nixofcyzerra

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nick012000 said:
Also, after following a link to one of its musical sequences while surfing another board, another world you might want to have Kotomine visit is that of Prince of Egypt.

OOC it's never shown up in any of the Kingdom Hearts games because wow, religious landmine. IC it's probably because the Old Testament God is there to, well, go Old Testament God on any Heartless who try to attack the Heart of the World, and thus its destruction is prevented.

But to see Kotomine meet Moses, or possibly even having a visitation from God Himself, would be a very interesting scene, especially after him meeting Frollo.
Yeah, I'm not going down the route where I have to voice God. I'm agnostic, but no. Just no.

Besides, I'm going to do my best to stick to canon KH worlds.
 

nixofcyzerra

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After a long hiatus, I've come back to this idea, and am turning it into a full fic. There's a prologue in the preview section, under the name "Iron and Light," which I'm hoping to receive feedback regarding my writing style on.

Chapter 1 is in the process of being written, and F/SN characters will actually be in it.

Edit:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9521392/1/Iron-and-Light
Iron and Light by Nixofcyzerra
Emiya Shirou's wish has been granted, beyond his wildest imaginings. He does not rejoice; it tastes like ashes in his mouth. Now, in lieu of any of those chosen, he must journey across the stars to protect those still safe, and save those who have been lost. All in a day's work for a Hero of Justice, right?
 
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