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To be honest, the higher level you are, the more likely you can tank a lower level instance. If you're, say, 60; you could probably do a decent job tanking a level 45 instance.
Hunters fall into one of those nebulous classes where they're mostly squishy (crap armor, not very good HP), but they can become less squishy (better armor, decent HP).
Most Tanks need great armor and really high HP.
It's feasible that you could tank for a lower level instance (so long as you're not doing Random Dungeon, because that'll probably shove you into DPS), but it's just not advised for anything of your level. If your PET can tank well, that's usually good enough for most players.
BTW, if you want a really good Tank Pet, I'd suggest running Wailing Caverns. There's an elite turtle in there by the name of Kresh, who's got a powerful shield ability that most turtles can't get until higher level. From what I've seen, he's a VERY good choice for a tank pet. Just make sure to have a healer who can do HOTs and emergency heals to keep your HP up while you tame him.
Kresh is one of the few bosses you can tame and turn into a hunter's pet.
Just remember to have fish and/or fruit on hand to feed him right away, because like all pets, Kresh doesn't start out happy.
Hunters fall into one of those nebulous classes where they're mostly squishy (crap armor, not very good HP), but they can become less squishy (better armor, decent HP).
Most Tanks need great armor and really high HP.
It's feasible that you could tank for a lower level instance (so long as you're not doing Random Dungeon, because that'll probably shove you into DPS), but it's just not advised for anything of your level. If your PET can tank well, that's usually good enough for most players.
BTW, if you want a really good Tank Pet, I'd suggest running Wailing Caverns. There's an elite turtle in there by the name of Kresh, who's got a powerful shield ability that most turtles can't get until higher level. From what I've seen, he's a VERY good choice for a tank pet. Just make sure to have a healer who can do HOTs and emergency heals to keep your HP up while you tame him.
Kresh is one of the few bosses you can tame and turn into a hunter's pet.
Just remember to have fish and/or fruit on hand to feed him right away, because like all pets, Kresh doesn't start out happy.
akun50 said:
? I really liked helping someone.? If this really is a trolling... :blue:
Much as I'd like to think he's honest, he's been holding way too hard onto the hunter=tank thing and has barely asked or even commented about anything else in the thread. :no:
Maybe, maybe not. Could be he's looking at Cataclysm features, especially the trailer showcasing how any race can be any class. I remember one of the examples being a Tauren paladin.
Not saying he isn't a troll. Just that this isn't ironclad proof of trollage. Only thing we've had proof of so far is that he's an idiot.
Not saying he isn't a troll. Just that this isn't ironclad proof of trollage. Only thing we've had proof of so far is that he's an idiot.
I would resent that if it was not so silly to insult me on a forum where I freely admit lack of knoweldge of the game and this not being my primary language
to say im an idiot
and yes my information was old the site I was on while posting that said it was possible(checked the date last update was last year) but sadly I cant
to say im an idiot
and yes my information was old the site I was on while posting that said it was possible(checked the date last update was last year) but sadly I cant
I don't think they're allowing every race to become every class, but they're certainly expanding the number of classes each race can have. From what I've heard, they're still not going to allow classes that it's been established that certain races abhor or have established reasons to avoid (Dranei, for example, are probably not going to be picking up Rogue as a class).
But if you're thinking Tauren, a Warrior is fully possible right now. The problem with Warriors is that they lack healing capacity, so you'll want to pick up ALL of the Secondary Professions, and you'll probably want to do Herbalism/Alchemy to make healing potions and Rage Potions. And Taurens get a starting boost to Herbalism, which'll help in starting that.
If you want a Paladin, though, I think I've already point out most of the info I have on playing one of them. Paladins are excellent undead killers, so expect to do well in any quest / instance that has them. Just don't think yourself invulnerable.
But if you're thinking Tauren, a Warrior is fully possible right now. The problem with Warriors is that they lack healing capacity, so you'll want to pick up ALL of the Secondary Professions, and you'll probably want to do Herbalism/Alchemy to make healing potions and Rage Potions. And Taurens get a starting boost to Herbalism, which'll help in starting that.
If you want a Paladin, though, I think I've already point out most of the info I have on playing one of them. Paladins are excellent undead killers, so expect to do well in any quest / instance that has them. Just don't think yourself invulnerable.
And yet, they're allowing tauren paladin/priest...but not tauren rogue. Those assholes.
For a warrior, I'd honestly recommend an orc over a tauren right now, even if someone is planning to be a tank.
The health bonus that tauren get was nerfed badly over a year ago. Used to be based off total health, now it's based off base health, so it's not whole lot, especially as your gear gets better. Meanwhile, orcs get expertise bonus with axes, which is useful for both tanks and dps warriors and blood fury is a nice enough gimmicky 'gimme more threat/dps' button.
The main reason to be a tauren really is to be a druid (no choice until cataclysm) or just cause you feel like being an asshole and blocking other people's sights with your huge ass and a huge kodo mount. Racials overall are pretty meh right now otherwise. Though perhaps cataclysm improves them.
Generally, if you give a damn about racials, you can't go wrong with orc if that's an option (in most cases). Otherwise, play what you feel like staring at from behind your monitor for 30+ hours a month. That, and hope cataclysm's new racials make you go 'CHA-CHING!'
But you are! If things go bad, you can always bubble hearth...after level 34 anyway.
For a warrior, I'd honestly recommend an orc over a tauren right now, even if someone is planning to be a tank.
The health bonus that tauren get was nerfed badly over a year ago. Used to be based off total health, now it's based off base health, so it's not whole lot, especially as your gear gets better. Meanwhile, orcs get expertise bonus with axes, which is useful for both tanks and dps warriors and blood fury is a nice enough gimmicky 'gimme more threat/dps' button.
The main reason to be a tauren really is to be a druid (no choice until cataclysm) or just cause you feel like being an asshole and blocking other people's sights with your huge ass and a huge kodo mount. Racials overall are pretty meh right now otherwise. Though perhaps cataclysm improves them.
Generally, if you give a damn about racials, you can't go wrong with orc if that's an option (in most cases). Otherwise, play what you feel like staring at from behind your monitor for 30+ hours a month. That, and hope cataclysm's new racials make you go 'CHA-CHING!'
But you are! If things go bad, you can always bubble hearth...after level 34 anyway.
True, but I've known a few people who got frustrated because they couldn't play a paladin well and don't even get to level 34. Besides, Bubble-Hearth is only a desperation move, and you can be sure that if the monsters don't get you, anyone who's partying/raiding with you will.
You made a lot of good points on the Tauren. But while most of the starting racial bonuses are just that (only good for starting), each Race possesses an interesting ability that, if you're smart, can play a big role in most of the classes playable by said race.
Tauren and Blood Elves get spell interrupts (and in the BE case, can restore their mana/runic power and/or I think action points if Rogue, but don't quote me on that because I haven't rolled a BE rogue).
Forsaken can cannibalize humanoids, meaning less need for food and first aid (so long as you have time for it. Stupid roaming mobs. <_< ).
Orcs have their Blood Fury, which can be really handy in close quarters since you hit harder.
Trolls have a constant regeneration, which means you effectively have higher HP than you actually do so long as it's a protracted fight.
You made a lot of good points on the Tauren. But while most of the starting racial bonuses are just that (only good for starting), each Race possesses an interesting ability that, if you're smart, can play a big role in most of the classes playable by said race.
Tauren and Blood Elves get spell interrupts (and in the BE case, can restore their mana/runic power and/or I think action points if Rogue, but don't quote me on that because I haven't rolled a BE rogue).
Forsaken can cannibalize humanoids, meaning less need for food and first aid (so long as you have time for it. Stupid roaming mobs. <_< ).
Orcs have their Blood Fury, which can be really handy in close quarters since you hit harder.
Trolls have a constant regeneration, which means you effectively have higher HP than you actually do so long as it's a protracted fight.
Not true. I've totally bubble-hearthed on my holy paladin in the middle of a raid wipe before to save myself a repair bill. I'm a healer in PLATE. That shit costs money compared to clothie/leather healers. I totally deserve to flee if I see a wipe coming. Admittedly, I've died quite a few times as well trying to -save- raid from a wipe, so it balances out. Except in the repair bills. Those damn non-plate healer bastards -still- come off with a smaller repair even with me escaping.
...bwahahahahahahahaha.
As one guy has said: "I'm regenerating 5 HP per second and there's nothing you can do about it, mon!"
Right, and the guy hitting you for 2000+k dps really makes you notice that 5 hps. And when you consider healers overhealing, well...
On the other hand, the haste racial can be nice for some classes, and beast slaying is fair/decent. Although the las two expansions have really thrown mostly undead/demons rather than beasts, so...
...bwahahahahahahahaha.
As one guy has said: "I'm regenerating 5 HP per second and there's nothing you can do about it, mon!"
Right, and the guy hitting you for 2000+k dps really makes you notice that 5 hps. And when you consider healers overhealing, well...
On the other hand, the haste racial can be nice for some classes, and beast slaying is fair/decent. Although the las two expansions have really thrown mostly undead/demons rather than beasts, so...
Not anymore. Sometime around BC the repair mechanics were tweaked. The only things that now affect repair cost are ilevel, item quality, and reputation with whatever faction the vendor belongs to. Tanks will still pay more to repair since they're absorbing so much damage. Discounting deaths, dps/healers only lose durability on weps from attacking/casting.
Yeah, as with Solar, I still felt like I was paying more than cloth/leather wearers up through Ulduar. Unless they changed mechanics in patch 3.2 or 3.3 (which I never played as I took a break from WoW just before that), if I asked a cloth wearer in the same raid what his repair bill was, it was always lower than mine after a bunch of wipes.
So unless you're saying my armor degrades more, not because of the death part, but because of the casting part -and- implying that I did tons more work than the cloth wearers...
..although I could live with that sentiment. Damn those cloth/leather wearers for not pulling their part of the raid!
So unless you're saying my armor degrades more, not because of the death part, but because of the casting part -and- implying that I did tons more work than the cloth wearers...
..although I could live with that sentiment. Damn those cloth/leather wearers for not pulling their part of the raid!
Kayeich said:
...bwahahahahahahahaha.
As one guy has said: "I'm regenerating 5 HP per second and there's nothing you can do about it, mon!"
Right, and the guy hitting you for 2000+k dps really makes you notice that 5 hps. And when you consider healers overhealing, well...
As one guy has said: "I'm regenerating 5 HP per second and there's nothing you can do about it, mon!"
Right, and the guy hitting you for 2000+k dps really makes you notice that 5 hps. And when you consider healers overhealing, well...
But until your character has more than 3000 HP, it remains a useful (if minor) bonus, especially for solo PVEing
Having only read the opening post, because I'm lazy like that:
Hunters are a Ranged DPS class, not a Tank class. A hunter pet can offtank, sure, but you're going to want a Warrior/Paladin/Death Knight (or, God forbid, a furry changeling) to maintank unless you've got more healing than a full raid group of Holy Priests. Indeed, in most raids I've been on it's common for the hunters to dismiss their pets entirely to prevent unnecessary aggro. A Hunter's main draw is ranged DPS - with the right bow/gun and skills, you can lay down a lot of damage at long range, and you're not as squishy as a mage if things get down to melee.
That said, hunters are one of the most reviled classes in WoW because they're seen by newbies as a "Jack-of-all-Trades" class that can "tank, melee DPS or ranged DPS at will". Which is incorrect, as a hunter's tanking capacity depends entirely on their pet and hunters are almost worthless in melee, but that's the way noobs see it. Furthermore they're one of the most popular classes for gold farmers, due to their ability to solo level quickly and use a wide variety of items that they can pretend to need and thus roll on. I've seen hunters roll need on everything from leather (post level 40, when Hunters have already long upgraded to mail) to one-handed weapons to staves and, on one occasion, plate armor (which, I'd like to point out, hunters can't even use).
Hunters can be a fun class to play if you know what you're doing and don't be a dick. They're also a great class to start with if you're just starting WoW and want to level up to 60 so you can roll a Death Knight. If you're looking to tank, however, it's not the class for you.
Hunters are a Ranged DPS class, not a Tank class. A hunter pet can offtank, sure, but you're going to want a Warrior/Paladin/Death Knight (or, God forbid, a furry changeling) to maintank unless you've got more healing than a full raid group of Holy Priests. Indeed, in most raids I've been on it's common for the hunters to dismiss their pets entirely to prevent unnecessary aggro. A Hunter's main draw is ranged DPS - with the right bow/gun and skills, you can lay down a lot of damage at long range, and you're not as squishy as a mage if things get down to melee.
That said, hunters are one of the most reviled classes in WoW because they're seen by newbies as a "Jack-of-all-Trades" class that can "tank, melee DPS or ranged DPS at will". Which is incorrect, as a hunter's tanking capacity depends entirely on their pet and hunters are almost worthless in melee, but that's the way noobs see it. Furthermore they're one of the most popular classes for gold farmers, due to their ability to solo level quickly and use a wide variety of items that they can pretend to need and thus roll on. I've seen hunters roll need on everything from leather (post level 40, when Hunters have already long upgraded to mail) to one-handed weapons to staves and, on one occasion, plate armor (which, I'd like to point out, hunters can't even use).
Hunters can be a fun class to play if you know what you're doing and don't be a dick. They're also a great class to start with if you're just starting WoW and want to level up to 60 so you can roll a Death Knight. If you're looking to tank, however, it's not the class for you.
Actually, it's almost always crappy. See, it's based off spirit. Which non-casters pretty much never have. And as for casters, even as you level, the amount of spirit is still going to be small enough that it doesn't keep up with incoming damage because spirit is -generally- more of a 'it's in my gear, so why not' stat while levelling rather than a priority stat.
Not to mention that, hey, most troll classes actually have ways to get around things that render the regeneration moot.
Mages are going to frost nova, polymorph and shit. And they make their own food/drinks, so they're almost never going to regen stuff on it's own. A priest or shaman can heal himself, generally overhealing himself for more than he gets from regeneration. Warriors...uh, well, I dunno, but warriors have no spirit, so...yeah see first paragraph, regeneration based off spirit, meaning they get basically nothing out of it. Rogues can be dicks with stuns and such, and again, no spirit. Hunter can have pet tank or keep things away with concussive shot/wing clip/etc. They... might have spirit if they're grabbing cloth, or boomkin stuff, I guess?
Uhm, yeah. So regeneration is really kinda worthless, even while levelling.
Now, if health regen had been based off -stamina-, THEN the racial could potentially be awesome, as you always have that as either a tank or grabbing that while levelling no matter what class. As it is, I stand by my statement that 'beast slaying' is a superior levelling racial for trolls, not regeneration.
Not to mention that, hey, most troll classes actually have ways to get around things that render the regeneration moot.
Mages are going to frost nova, polymorph and shit. And they make their own food/drinks, so they're almost never going to regen stuff on it's own. A priest or shaman can heal himself, generally overhealing himself for more than he gets from regeneration. Warriors...uh, well, I dunno, but warriors have no spirit, so...yeah see first paragraph, regeneration based off spirit, meaning they get basically nothing out of it. Rogues can be dicks with stuns and such, and again, no spirit. Hunter can have pet tank or keep things away with concussive shot/wing clip/etc. They... might have spirit if they're grabbing cloth, or boomkin stuff, I guess?
Uhm, yeah. So regeneration is really kinda worthless, even while levelling.
Now, if health regen had been based off -stamina-, THEN the racial could potentially be awesome, as you always have that as either a tank or grabbing that while levelling no matter what class. As it is, I stand by my statement that 'beast slaying' is a superior levelling racial for trolls, not regeneration.
Trolls -don't- suck for certain things, actually. Don't misunderstand, the regeneration IS useless. However, the berserking and beast slaying are still pretty decent.
Trolls make pretty darn good hunters as, hey, they use bows and like haste. And hey, trolls also get Bow specialization, +1% crit with bows. I'd go as far as arguing they're potentially better hunters than orcs and their command racial.
They also make the best horde raid shaman healers, as orc and tauren bring absolutely NOTHING to shaman healer (although orcs are beasts for ele/enh shamans), whereas the haste racial -can- be useful to a healer, if situationally. For pvp, the war stomp or hardiness can be useful to a shaman healer, but then again, trolls also have Da Voodoo Shuffle for pvp.
Assassination rogues also benefit from troll racials more than orc racials, as they use daggers instead of fists or axes (though combat rogues generally are better off being orcs) and they'll benefit more from the haste than from the blood fury.
Or so I recall reading in a theorycraft once, which showed that without the expertise bonus on an orc, haste was superior to blood fury for a rogue. This might have changed admittedly, as it was quite some time back when I saw this.
Can't think of other examples, but I'm sure there are other classes/specs where troll is a good choice.
I actually find trolls to have better racials than tauren and they're plain cooler. It's just that tauren are the only horde race that can be druids, while the troll doesn't have it's own unique class to boost their population.
When trolls get to be druids in cataclysm, they'll actually be better druids than tauren, at least going by current racials. They could still get fucked over when racials get updated for cataclysm, so I guess we'll see.
Mostly, trolls are less played I think because people like to make cow/bull jokes (I mean, really, tauren suck), block people's view of mailboxes/items and the druid thing.
Trolls make pretty darn good hunters as, hey, they use bows and like haste. And hey, trolls also get Bow specialization, +1% crit with bows. I'd go as far as arguing they're potentially better hunters than orcs and their command racial.
They also make the best horde raid shaman healers, as orc and tauren bring absolutely NOTHING to shaman healer (although orcs are beasts for ele/enh shamans), whereas the haste racial -can- be useful to a healer, if situationally. For pvp, the war stomp or hardiness can be useful to a shaman healer, but then again, trolls also have Da Voodoo Shuffle for pvp.
Assassination rogues also benefit from troll racials more than orc racials, as they use daggers instead of fists or axes (though combat rogues generally are better off being orcs) and they'll benefit more from the haste than from the blood fury.
Or so I recall reading in a theorycraft once, which showed that without the expertise bonus on an orc, haste was superior to blood fury for a rogue. This might have changed admittedly, as it was quite some time back when I saw this.
Can't think of other examples, but I'm sure there are other classes/specs where troll is a good choice.
I actually find trolls to have better racials than tauren and they're plain cooler. It's just that tauren are the only horde race that can be druids, while the troll doesn't have it's own unique class to boost their population.
When trolls get to be druids in cataclysm, they'll actually be better druids than tauren, at least going by current racials. They could still get fucked over when racials get updated for cataclysm, so I guess we'll see.
Mostly, trolls are less played I think because people like to make cow/bull jokes (I mean, really, tauren suck), block people's view of mailboxes/items and the druid thing.