Naruto Jutsu Creation Thread

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#76
I guess it depends on how rare sensor-types are. I mean, not including Edo Tensei reincarnated, those with special bloodlines, perfect Sages, Kage-level shinobi (including Jinchuuriki,) and Yamanaka, we've seen exactly two individuals who were sensor types: C of Kumo, and Zaji of Konoha.

Maybe if Hanzo had actually had access to Shinobi who could sense chakra, he wouldn't have used such extreme security measures.
 
#77
Actually, the rubber old man from Kumo and Ao were Sensors, too. And Ao wasn't a sensor because his byakugan.
And as far as we know, sensors aren't that uncommon. I guess super-long-range sensors like Karin are likely quite rare, though.
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#78
Well, the Sensor Division, comprised of of ninja with high sensory abilities from all 5 major ninja villages, doesn't seem to have that many members. Around a dozen or so? Despite the fact that sensory abilities would be a vital part of intelligence gathering and maintaining awareness of the enemy's movements?
 

Yorae Rasante

Well-Known Member
#80
But the thing is, the goal of this genjutsu is to convince the person that something is wrong. And if the person suspects there is something wrong but they can't point what, their first guess is genjutsu. They don't need to be a sensor to believe they are being affected by a genjutsu, just believe that something is wrong and see nothing. And there goes the genjutsu that makes them think something is wrong.
To make this stick you either need to recast it every time or layer it so much they convince themselves it isn't a genjutsu before the layers run out, and at that point it is just not worthy. The first option because using so many times will make them look for threats - if they believe they are in danger and it is not hidden by an illusion, they will try to find said danger to either deal with it or escape - and you'd be a sitting duck because you can't just escape else it wouldn't be recast. The second... it would be easier to use other, more useful and/or subtle genjutsu, unless this is so easy and chackra-efficient it compensates that much layering.

I'm not saying I dislike the idea, just the only two ways I see it as being usable are flawed. Unless it was a poison or seal instead of a jutsu to be cast, or somehow harder to dispel than usual genjutsu somehow.
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#81
Loki Fenrisulf IV said:
And if the person suspects there is something wrong but they can't point what, their first guess is genjutsu.
...Nope. I figure most ninja would probably think hallucinogen, actually.

Ninja just don't use Genjutsu in that fashion. Make people think that a giant ball of fire is decending towards them, sure. Make someone convinced that they've somehow been fused to a tree, yup. Make them see their worst fears, even if it doesn't make much logical sense for said worst fear to occur at that point, bombard them with crows, directly mind control someone or send an entire stadium of people to sleep, no problemo. But subtlety? Nah. The idea that Genjutsu-users are all cunning Masters of Illusion who can cause their enemies to destroy themselves with minimal effort on their part is complete fanon.

About the only Genjutsu that I can think of that are actually subtle are the False Surroundings Technique used at the entrance to the written chunin exam, and the Sly Mind Affect Technique used against Team 7 in the forest of death. Those are the only genjutsu I can think of (aside from maybe the Second Mizukage's technique and some Sharin-bull that Kakashi and Itachi have pulled in the past) that, when cast, don't immediately alert the target to the fact that they might have been targeted by a genjutsu.

And the jutsu that we've been discussing is even better for the simple reason that, if dispelled, nothing changes from the target's perspective. He doesn't suddenly find himself elsewhere, or surrounded by enemies. From all appearances, and as far as the target him/herself can tell... they just used the dispel technique for no reason.
 

Yorae Rasante

Well-Known Member
#82
We also see Tayuya using it on Sasuke while he is in the hospital. And his first thought was genjutsu.
While I agree that most uses of genjutsu are not exactly subtle, I don't think we had any view of hallucinogens either. I see no reason for someone to think of them when they don't see anything wrong but the feeling something is wrong either.

While I agree that the jutsu's dispell would then give a paranoia for the paranoia itself, the mere fact the genjutsu-paranoia would stop would make the person be assured that a genjutsu was used on them and would make them look for an user, while the best use for the genjutsu on my opinion would be a delayed, slowly increasing paranoia spyral...
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#83
Well, if you have a sinking suspicion that you're in an illusion, and you perform a technique to dispel illusions, how do you know whether you're no longer feeling paranoid because the paranoia-causing genjutsu has been dispelled, or if because you've fired off an illusion-dispelling technique and have thus reassured yourself that you weren't under the effect of an illusion?
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#84
nixofcyzerra said:
Well, the Sensor Division, comprised of of ninja with high sensory abilities from all 5 major ninja villages, doesn't seem to have that many members. Around a dozen or so? Despite the fact that sensory abilities would be a vital part of intelligence gathering and maintaining awareness of the enemy's movements?
The Sensor Division was only the most powerful sensors, those who could run a chakra sensing barrier that could watch over entire battlefields. There were less powerful sensors working as guards in the shinobi camp to confirm the identity of every ninja entering (those guys were working double time after the Zetsu spies were discovered). There were presumably also sensor-nins working on the field with each Division like how Zaji was working with the Ambush Division.
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#85
Still, they're not especially common, and they seem to vary in ability quite a bit. It's not impossible that Hanzo's rule suffered from a lack of decent Sensors, or Sensors that had a very limited range.
 

Yorae Rasante

Well-Known Member
#86
You see, the "sinking" feeling is a new word used to describe the jutsu that makes it seem closer to my sugestion. Every other mention of it made it seem like it started - and thus ended when dispelled, confirming it was forced - rather abruptly.
 

atlas_hugged

Well-Known Member
#87
While we're on genjustu, what about examples of genjutsu that would be dangerous or undesirable enough to be in the Forbidden Scroll?

A genjutsu originally created to train sages, it switches the process for gathering chakra from the body with that of gathering natural energy. Forbidden because it resulted in several too many victims of Polymorph: Frog and Petrify, but also for fear that it would be learned by actual enemy sages, who could potentially use it to gather natural energy on the move (though they'd have to remain still to gather normal chakra to balance with the natural energy).
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#88
I imagine most forbidden genjutsu would be stuff that actually messes with the functioning of the brain directly rather than just hijacking sensory information; mind control, false memories, time perception, etc. Stuff that is borderline medical-jutsu. Mostly because it would be so dangerous. Sure it would pretty awesome to just download ninjutsu knowledge directly to your brain with genjutsu, but do you trust the guy applying the jutsu not to accidentally lobotomize you, or to maybe slip a few false memories in there while he's at it?
 

goldenarms

Well-Known Member
#89
Loki Fenrisulf IV said:
But the thing is, the goal of this genjutsu is to convince the person that something is wrong. And if the person suspects there is something wrong but they can't point what, their first guess is genjutsu. They don't need to be a sensor to believe they are being affected by a genjutsu, just believe that something is wrong and see nothing. And there goes the genjutsu that makes them think something is wrong.
To make this stick you either need to recast it every time or layer it so much they convince themselves it isn't a genjutsu before the layers run out, and at that point it is just not worthy. The first option because using so many times will make them look for threats - if they believe they are in danger and it is not hidden by an illusion, they will try to find said danger to either deal with it or escape - and you'd be a sitting duck because you can't just escape else it wouldn't be recast. The second... it would be easier to use other, more useful and/or subtle genjutsu, unless this is so easy and chackra-efficient it compensates that much layering.

I'm not saying I dislike the idea, just the only two ways I see it as being usable are flawed. Unless it was a poison or seal instead of a jutsu to be cast, or somehow harder to dispel than usual genjutsu somehow.
Personally, this makes me remember an episode of Mission: Impossible, where a target was successfully driven into a paranoid frenzy in order to make him shoot dead another man, while the police were just about to knock on his door.

Imagine it being used on a guard of a hard-to-reach businessman, make him think something's going on. Sure, he thinks it's the job, perhaps stress. Then he or one of his boss's "employees" starts "finding" little clues to further back up that unnameable feeling. A receipt at a restaurant his wife works at left out on the boss's table. A cufflink in his wife's coat pocket.

Stir up that pot, and you're going to get some fireworks. Especially if an anonymous picture of the guard's wife kissing the business man in a location where they both happened to be at one time, and conveniently "disappeared" for a touch too long at the same time. Angry, hurt, betrayed, he goes to confront his wife, only to learn a horrible truth -- business man has been forcing her to have sex with him to save the guard's job. Now he goes into a rage, finds his boss, they have a showdown, he loses it in the face of all the denial and kills him. Worse-case scenario, guard dies, businessman replaces him with a much more stable security member, and a few days later, businessman keels over and dies from a heart attack -- should have listened to the doc about oversalting his food.

Hard to reach target now dead, grieving wife has no idea what came over her husband, and all the evidence of any misdeeds to link anything mysteriously disappears.

atlas_hugged said:
While we're on genjustu, what about examples of genjutsu that would be dangerous or undesirable enough to be in the Forbidden Scroll?
No real idea, to be honest -- if anything, I'd assume any sort of genjutsu designed to drive a person crazy, like the Malkavian clan's special discipline, Dementation. And speaking of VtM, I'd furthermore say anything that a Chimestry level above 6 could produce might warrant some forbidden time as well.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#90
You know I was thinking more about "forbidden" uses of genjutsu, and it occurs to me that a lot of the mental effects of drug abuse could probably be replicated by using genjutsu to fuck with the signals in someone's brain. For example, instead of going home and getting blasted off heroin to cope after a particularly brutal mission where you killed a bunch of dudes and your friend died, you could probably just cast "tripping balls no jutsu" and get the same drug-induced high without any of the chemical dependency.

Similarly, I bet a lot of mental illnesses and trauma could be treated with genjutsu. Counteract clinical depression with "Happiness no jutsu", treat anxiety with "feeling chill no jutsu".

No wonder most ninja seem to be relatively well balanced despite literally killing people for a living and apparently not having any shrinks. They can solve most of their mental problems with mind-altering genjutsu.
 

goldenarms

Well-Known Member
#91
Altered Nova said:
You know I was thinking more about "forbidden" uses of genjutsu, and it occurs to me that a lot of the mental effects of drug abuse could probably be replicated by using genjutsu to fuck with the signals in someone's brain. For example, instead of going home and getting blasted off heroin to cope after a particularly brutal mission where you killed a bunch of dudes and your friend died, you could probably just cast "tripping balls no jutsu" and get the same drug-induced high without any of the chemical dependency.

Similarly, I bet a lot of mental illnesses and trauma could be treated with genjutsu. Counteract clinical depression with "Happiness no jutsu", treat anxiety with "feeling chill no jutsu".

No wonder most ninja seem to be relatively well balanced despite literally killing people for a living and apparently not having any shrinks. They can solve most of their mental problems with mind-altering genjutsu.
Of course, the downside to that is that mental dependency for such things would become unbelievably difficult to treat. Not to mention, it could cause mental instability, psychosis, and in some cases, outright insanity.

"Hoshi, you're doing too much Happiness."

"Nah, Mori, I'm totally fine. See? I'm good."

"You just chopped the client's head in half!"

"I was just wondering what was on his mind..."

"Look, why don't you let me dispel some of that--"

"DON'T YOU FUCK WITH MY HAPPINESS! RAAAAWR!"
 

atlas_hugged

Well-Known Member
#92
So Jashin really hasn't been explored besides Hidan. All we know about it is there's at least one guy worshiping in it, he's immortal, and he can curse people to share his wounds.

There's at least one pretty good reason to suspect Jashin isn't an actual god in the Naruto universe, that honor at least possibly being taken by the giant tree thing. If Jashin is just a collection of techniques used to imitate miracles, or if it's the real deal in the Naruto Universe, there's still room to expand on its concepts. Perhaps most fun of all, any technique related to Jashin, by it's nature would probably be pretty taboo and spicy.

Do you think Jashinism has an antagonist god? Some kind of benevolent protector who cures the sick instead of killing them? Could he or his disciples have techniques?

One technique I think would be in the realm of possibility for a Jashin based set of techniques would be to take wounds from others unto yourself. Some sort of magical healing where you fix a buddy's collapsed lung at the cost of collapsing your own. Of course, if you're immortal, then a collapsed lung isn't that big of a deal (you just have to live with it for eternity, a penance for committing the taboo of saving a life).
 

Knyght

The Collector
#93
Sounds too nice for murder cult. But it made me think of this:

Curse Jutsu: Bleeding Scar Reversal - This curse ninjutsu has the Jashinist acquire and ingest the blood of their intended victim. The Jashinist can then use this blood link to reopen any wound ever inflicted on the victim, no matter how old. The more physical injuries the victim has suffered in the past, the more painful, more debilitating and more deadly this jutsu becomes.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#94
goldenarms said:
Altered Nova said:
You know I was thinking more about "forbidden" uses of genjutsu, and it occurs to me that a lot of the mental effects of drug abuse could probably be replicated by using genjutsu to fuck with the signals in someone's brain. For example, instead of going home and getting blasted off heroin to cope after a particularly brutal mission where you killed a bunch of dudes and your friend died, you could probably just cast "tripping balls no jutsu" and get the same drug-induced high without any of the chemical dependency.

Similarly, I bet a lot of mental illnesses and trauma could be treated with genjutsu. Counteract clinical depression with "Happiness no jutsu", treat anxiety with "feeling chill no jutsu".

No wonder most ninja seem to be relatively well balanced despite literally killing people for a living and apparently not having any shrinks. They can solve most of their mental problems with mind-altering genjutsu.
Of course, the downside to that is that mental dependency for such things would become unbelievably difficult to treat. Not to mention, it could cause mental instability, psychosis, and in some cases, outright insanity.

"Hoshi, you're doing too much Happiness."

"Nah, Mori, I'm totally fine. See? I'm good."

"You just chopped the client's head in half!"

"I was just wondering what was on his mind..."

"Look, why don't you let me dispel some of that--"

"DON'T YOU FUCK WITH MY HAPPINESS! RAAAAWR!"
This explains

so.
goddamn.
much.

about Gai's Youth.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#95
The Power of Youth is actually a mind-altering genjutsu. That's terrifying. What if he decided he wanted to spread the philosophy of Youth more directly and went around casting the genjutsu on everyone he can find?
 
#96
He actually does it all time.
But it's not really effective on most, they just see random tooth-blings and sudden sundowns
 

beorn91

Well-Known Member
#97
Shirotsume said:
goldenarms said:
Altered Nova said:
You know I was thinking more about "forbidden" uses of genjutsu, and it occurs to me that a lot of the mental effects of drug abuse could probably be replicated by using genjutsu to fuck with the signals in someone's brain. For example, instead of going home and getting blasted off heroin to cope after a particularly brutal mission where you killed a bunch of dudes and your friend died, you could probably just cast "tripping balls no jutsu" and get the same drug-induced high without any of the chemical dependency.

Similarly, I bet a lot of mental illnesses and trauma could be treated with genjutsu. Counteract clinical depression with "Happiness no jutsu", treat anxiety with "feeling chill no jutsu".

No wonder most ninja seem to be relatively well balanced despite literally killing people for a living and apparently not having any shrinks. They can solve most of their mental problems with mind-altering genjutsu.
Of course, the downside to that is that mental dependency for such things would become unbelievably difficult to treat. Not to mention, it could cause mental instability, psychosis, and in some cases, outright insanity.

"Hoshi, you're doing too much Happiness."

"Nah, Mori, I'm totally fine. See? I'm good."

"You just chopped the client's head in half!"

"I was just wondering what was on his mind..."

"Look, why don't you let me dispel some of that--"

"DON'T YOU FUCK WITH MY HAPPINESS! RAAAAWR!"
This explains

so.
goddamn.
much.

about Gai's Youth.
In the same category, there is the hypothetic Tobi is your best friend No Jutsu. Suspected to be used by Tobi on Yagura.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#98
Clone Transformation Jutsu – This ninjutsu has a shadow clone use the Transformation Jutsu to adopt the form of another person or object. It allows the caster to, for instance, gather intelligence through disguise without putting themselves in harm’s way or provide themselves with a weapon that can return to human form for a surprise attack.

Clone Replacement Jutsu – This ninjutsu has the caster use the Body Replacement Jutsu to trade places with their shadow clone. This prevents the more vulnerable caster from harm and unless the shadow clone, it is very unlikely that they switch will be seen through as the original is replace by an identical, physical version of themselves. This jutsu can also be done in reverse with the shadow clone replacing themselves with the original when they detect a threat.

Clone Smokescreen Jutsu – This ninjutsu causes a shadow clone to burst into a huge cloud of smoke when it dispels, reducing visibility in the area to zero and distracting any enemies. Unlike the Clone Great Explosion, the memories of the shadow clone are unaffected as they return to the original and jutsu itself costs very little chakra to use.

Transformation Clone Jutsu – This ninjutsu is a fusion of the Transformation Jutsu and the Shadow Clone Jutsu which creates a shadow clone of the caster in the guise of another person or object to hide their form when they appear. Shadow clones are capable of transforming themselves but this removes any delay between their creation and transformation and can be used to disguise the fact that the caster even creating a shadow clone due to their different form.

Kunai Shadow Clone Jutsu – This ninjutsu is the alternative version of the Shuriken Shadow Clone Jutsu which uses kunai instead of shuriken. The kunai are thrown at the target and then multiplied with chakra to create dozens of projectiles. It is less common simply because shuriken are designed to be thrown whilst kunai are more of a multi-purpose tool.

Clone Recall Jutsu - This ninjutsu is an adaptation of a shadow clone's ability to transfer their experiences back to the original once dispelled. It is means of having the clone directly transfer their experience back to the original without dispelling themselves, allowing them to continue existing to fulfill their purpose. However this costs chakra with each use and the clone’s chakra is not returned to the original unlike when they are dispelled. To elaborate, Uzumaki Naruto could not use this jutsu to transfer a clone’s natural energy to himself to activate Sage Mode, he would have to dispel it.

Clone Transmission Jutsu - This ninjutsu allows a ninja to communicate telepathically with their shadow clones. The shadow clones can also use this to communicate with the original and each other. By themselves, the original can only transmit intentions towards their chakra to give them direction which is enough to accomplish any task they desire but is not the same as actually communicating with the clones. This method allowing the clones to converse directly and has immense value for information gathering. Since clones are all connected to each other through chakra, this version is in some ways superior to the Yamanaka's Mind Body Transmission Jutsu; their thoughts can be transmitted to each other over any distance and it doesn’t require nearly as much chakra and concentration to do so.

Clone Vision Jutsu - This ninjutsu allows the user to connect their senses - sight, smell, hearing, taste and/or touch - with one of the shadow clones to experience what they experience as it happens. The user loses most of their awareness of their own surroundings so that they can see what is taking place at another location.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#99
In tribute to Sakura rocking them abs down in adult sec.  :snigger:

Strength of a Hundred Jutsu - Evolution Rebirth - The next level of Creation Rebirth developed by Haruno Sakura in her desire to surpass her master rather than merely be her equal. Using the chakra of the Strength of a Hundred Seal, the jutsu stimulates the body's creation of new cells to regenerate any injury and simultaneously triggers a reaction throughout the entire body in response to the damage inflicted. In reaction to the injury, the body automatically adapts by permanently strengthening itself in a way that enables it to resist that injury. Therefore Sakura physically becomes tougher every time she regenerates from a wound and the way that she becomes tougher depends on the nature of the wound she received.

Stabbing her with a knife makes her more resistant to cuts, breaking her bones makes her resistant to fracture, setting her on fire makes her more resistant to burns and so on. She still suffers from an ever-shrinking lifespan through the use of regeneration but in addition to being nearly unkillable while it's activate, she becomes increasingly harder to kill even after the jutsu has ended.
 

AoMythology

Apparently a report-er
Nice thread!

Illusionary Art: Tomb of the Living (C-rank on its own. Barely.)
This is a Genjutsu that slows down the target's perception of time - or, rather, makes reality pass by in a blur. Layered with another genjutsu correctly, it can make it so the victim dispels it so slowly that it's too late by the time they manage to escape, because a great caster of this makes the other Genjutsu go by normally while reality still rushes by.

If the secondary genjutsu is noticed in time, this is all but useless, as the speeding up of time is too obvious on its own; not to mention that the effect starts out very mild (but escalates like a b!tch). Layering more illusions than one along with this is all but impossible.

Edit: Hand-Seals: Tiger, Rat, Monkey
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Ironically, the most subtle Genjutsu user in canon is... Sasuke. Who'd have thought? (Poor Deidara. 'Poor' Danzo.)

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There is a possible canon Genjutsu candidate for being in the Forbidden Scroll. It's the Bringer of Darkness jutsu. Given that it might even blind doujutsu users, I can see it being banned for political reasons.

As for Guy's sunset, I like to think that it's his way of accidentally tapping into Ninshu, like someone (I don't remember who) said on QQ.
 
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