Akamatsuverse Kanako's Summons
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Alright, I see what it is, I finally read "Make a Wish" and Harry meet one when he is in Japan.
But I think she was clearly OOC since I also found a author very versed in mythology, name's Kineko on ff.net by the way, that depicture Team 7 before the cursed seal (an total AU in other words) getting by accident into a Yuki Onaa's territory.
For what I have gatter, the Yuli Onaa are stuck-prick worse than the Uchiwa and the Hyuga COMBINED, hate kitsune with a passion because the spiritual fire the fox use is a natural weapon against them and are as tolerant of sun light than vampire, the difference being that instent of burning, they melt into water puddle...sweet isn't it ?
But I think she was clearly OOC since I also found a author very versed in mythology, name's Kineko on ff.net by the way, that depicture Team 7 before the cursed seal (an total AU in other words) getting by accident into a Yuki Onaa's territory.
For what I have gatter, the Yuli Onaa are stuck-prick worse than the Uchiwa and the Hyuga COMBINED, hate kitsune with a passion because the spiritual fire the fox use is a natural weapon against them and are as tolerant of sun light than vampire, the difference being that instent of burning, they melt into water puddle...sweet isn't it ?
Actually, Yuki-onna aren't so much arrogant as they are malicious. From that point of view they are much like kitsune. However, they can have a sweet side, as they seem to be rather romantic in nature.
Also, for the last time:
KITSUNE ARE NOT ALIGNED TO FIRE. They are supposedly tied to Inari, which is an Earth god, and thus they are EARTH aligned.
I hate it when authors seem to think Kitsune are fire-based just cuz foxes are red and/or Pokemon has them Fire-based.
Also, Yuki-onna tolerate sunlight. It's heat that they hate. Winter sun is perfectly all right with them, but summer heat is something that can and should kill them.
Also, for the last time:
KITSUNE ARE NOT ALIGNED TO FIRE. They are supposedly tied to Inari, which is an Earth god, and thus they are EARTH aligned.
I hate it when authors seem to think Kitsune are fire-based just cuz foxes are red and/or Pokemon has them Fire-based.
Also, Yuki-onna tolerate sunlight. It's heat that they hate. Winter sun is perfectly all right with them, but summer heat is something that can and should kill them.
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Too true.. just because some anime's represent them as fire aligned doesn not mean that Kitsune's are aligned with it. In fact a japanese girl i knew due to an AISEC programm described them as earth spirits.. anyway she admited she had troubles with finding a proper word for them in our word (heh you can't learn a language in a few months) but she underlined that they were related to the earth.
Too true.. just because some anime's represent them as fire aligned doesn not mean that Kitsune's are aligned with it. In fact a japanese girl i knew due to an AISEC programm described them as earth spirits.. anyway she admited she had troubles with finding a proper word for them in our word (heh you can't learn a language in a few months) but she underlined that they were related to the earth.
According to the kitsune article on Wikipedia, while Kitsune are often depicted as being servants of Inari (the god of rice), one of their most common powers is the ability to generate fire from their tails, or breathe fire. This ability even has a name: kitsune-bi (which literally means "foxfire").
I really wish people wouldn't accept Wikipedia as undiluted fact. Its information is gathered through user submissions for kami-sama's sake. It can be wrong. One too many peole watch Pokemon and Inuyasha and suddenly supposition becomes fact. If anything for the purpose of this story the Kyuubi and the other kitsune will be heavily earth and forest aligned spirits. They're tied to nature.
Oy, I read some legend saying that kitsune for thanking human when they help them leave behind them eternal FIRE in the local temple, so they can use FIRE.
So, let's go for the ability tour of the kitsune.
Doton, since you are so forcefull about it, is their prime ability, no problem with that.
Mokuton, Inari is one of the forest protector, so kitsune being her spawns protecte forest and use its power in battle.
Katon, it is said that kitsune, for thanking humans that hepl them, leave behind them eternal fire in the local temple, so fire IS one of the kitsune ability.
Suiton, no special ability with water, it's neutral.
Raiton, don't know for this one, but I think it's like suiton.
Futon, look at Suiton and Raiton.
Hyoton (ice if I cirrectly remember), absolutly no talent in that area, the whole prospect of ice kill life, wich Inari is one of the protector, making kitsune illaligned with that element and by extention with the Yuki Onaa (who are know to bring "eternal winter" in their vincity).
Steel (don't know the something-ton that name it), no information about this one, but being forest protector, I don't think that kitsune are good in that area.
So, let's go for the ability tour of the kitsune.
Doton, since you are so forcefull about it, is their prime ability, no problem with that.
Mokuton, Inari is one of the forest protector, so kitsune being her spawns protecte forest and use its power in battle.
Katon, it is said that kitsune, for thanking humans that hepl them, leave behind them eternal fire in the local temple, so fire IS one of the kitsune ability.
Suiton, no special ability with water, it's neutral.
Raiton, don't know for this one, but I think it's like suiton.
Futon, look at Suiton and Raiton.
Hyoton (ice if I cirrectly remember), absolutly no talent in that area, the whole prospect of ice kill life, wich Inari is one of the protector, making kitsune illaligned with that element and by extention with the Yuki Onaa (who are know to bring "eternal winter" in their vincity).
Steel (don't know the something-ton that name it), no information about this one, but being forest protector, I don't think that kitsune are good in that area.
Simply point out that something could be wrong doesn't mean that it is. I've often found that Wikipedia's pages are maintained by people who not only have scholarly knowledge of the topics they post about, but rabidly check to make sure no errors creep in. I've visited Wikipedia many times, and it has never given me incorrect information yet. Note also that the Wikipedia page on kitsune lists over half-a-dozen books to support the material given there, as well as links to corroborating web pages.
Regarding kitsune and fire, the information listed on Wikipedia matches everything else I've seen about them so far. There's a reason why Pokemon and Inu-Yasha depict them as using fire - because mythologically, they do.
It's interesting to note that the idea of them being "fire spirits" is more incorrect, in this regard. Kitsune aren't generally regarded as being "associated" with any element in any regard, either in the classical Greek elements (air/earth/fire/water) or classical Japanese elements (the godai: earth/water/fire/wind/void). They're simply fox spirits with various powers.
Of course, none of that makes any difference for how they're used in a fic - authors aren't bound to follow convention for their stories.
Regarding kitsune and fire, the information listed on Wikipedia matches everything else I've seen about them so far. There's a reason why Pokemon and Inu-Yasha depict them as using fire - because mythologically, they do.
It's interesting to note that the idea of them being "fire spirits" is more incorrect, in this regard. Kitsune aren't generally regarded as being "associated" with any element in any regard, either in the classical Greek elements (air/earth/fire/water) or classical Japanese elements (the godai: earth/water/fire/wind/void). They're simply fox spirits with various powers.
Of course, none of that makes any difference for how they're used in a fic - authors aren't bound to follow convention for their stories.
The summons contract belongs with the village. Naruto would have left it in Konoha with Jiraiya, who emigrated to Mol Mol a few years later. He would have wanted that resource to stay behind so that Konoha would be well defended without him. Granted I think Jiraiya would have taken it with him when he left and told those ungrateful villagers to go screw themselves for treating his student's son that way, but meh. Either way the Urashimas didn't have the contract to give her.
First of all, kitsune were known to usually leave behind bounties and blessings, not just fire. In fact, more often than not, in legends they left behind a blessing that would cause a bountiful harvest.
Also, most kitsune in Japanese legends were AFRAID of fire. That element is usually accosted to destruction of forests and life, and as messengers of Inari, kitsune were not very fond of it. Any instance of kitsune leaving 'eternal fire' behind was exceptional.
Secondly, what the hell? Eternal winter brought by the Yuki-onna? No. The Yuki-onna were BORN from winter, and while they *can* make an area very cold if hey try hard enough, they can't do so indefinitely, and they certainly don't bring 'eternal winter' or any such hogwash about.
It is true that they, in some depictions, tend to feed off the mortals' warmth, but they are also known to fall in love and even bear children for mortals they came to appreciate... they're hardly a 'death aspect'.
More accurately, Yuki-onna represent the dark side of Nature's dual essence - the hard, unforgiving coldness of ice, tempered by the warmth of feelings. That's usually how they're considered.
They are DANGEROUS; no doubt about that, but they are as much part of Nature as Inari, and thus there's no particular animosity between the two.
Regarding frogs, the funny thing is that the original Legend of Gallant Jiraiya had him riding a FIREBREATHING frog, while Gamabunta spews water. Hmm... Kishi is sending mixed signals here.
Also, most kitsune in Japanese legends were AFRAID of fire. That element is usually accosted to destruction of forests and life, and as messengers of Inari, kitsune were not very fond of it. Any instance of kitsune leaving 'eternal fire' behind was exceptional.
Secondly, what the hell? Eternal winter brought by the Yuki-onna? No. The Yuki-onna were BORN from winter, and while they *can* make an area very cold if hey try hard enough, they can't do so indefinitely, and they certainly don't bring 'eternal winter' or any such hogwash about.
It is true that they, in some depictions, tend to feed off the mortals' warmth, but they are also known to fall in love and even bear children for mortals they came to appreciate... they're hardly a 'death aspect'.
More accurately, Yuki-onna represent the dark side of Nature's dual essence - the hard, unforgiving coldness of ice, tempered by the warmth of feelings. That's usually how they're considered.
They are DANGEROUS; no doubt about that, but they are as much part of Nature as Inari, and thus there's no particular animosity between the two.
Regarding frogs, the funny thing is that the original Legend of Gallant Jiraiya had him riding a FIREBREATHING frog, while Gamabunta spews water. Hmm... Kishi is sending mixed signals here.
Umm, GH...
Gamabunta spews an highly flameable oil...not water. This combined with a fire technique of Jiraiya's is one of Gamabunta's most powerful attacks.
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Ok, so Naruto can't summon frogs anymore...wonder how that frogs are taking that. Especially since some of the younger frogs liked Naruto.
I am curious if you are going to have Kanako being re-admited into the Uchiha clan...makes her attempt to get her brother less bothersome if she doesn't have to get around the fact that he thinks that she is his sister. Could be entertaining for the current Uchiha to find out that they have a long-lost cousin who has come home.
Gamabunta spews an highly flameable oil...not water. This combined with a fire technique of Jiraiya's is one of Gamabunta's most powerful attacks.
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Ok, so Naruto can't summon frogs anymore...wonder how that frogs are taking that. Especially since some of the younger frogs liked Naruto.
I am curious if you are going to have Kanako being re-admited into the Uchiha clan...makes her attempt to get her brother less bothersome if she doesn't have to get around the fact that he thinks that she is his sister. Could be entertaining for the current Uchiha to find out that they have a long-lost cousin who has come home.
Actually, the Frog scroll is property of Jiraiya, not of the village - he wrote it himself, and it's his personal possession, so if he wants to give it to someone, the village can't do a damn thing abou it - it's his choice.
And Gamabunta actually spewed a WATER projectile against Shuukaku, if you recall.
And Gamabunta actually spewed a WATER projectile against Shuukaku, if you recall.
And Jiraya ask Gambuta to shot some OIL, so Gama-oyabun can shot both oil and water, but it's Jiraya fire that ignite the inferno.
That's why I use " ", because I was being sarcastic...if I use " ", that mean than I am sarcastic or exagerative most of the time.
That don't change the fact than they are ennemy with the kitsune because if Yuki Onaa are winter, then kitsune are summer, they are opposite and fight each other.
They can be afraid of fire in the day-life, but they use it some time nontheless since it is "magical" (I prefer the term spiritual but evione is not okay on that point) fire that they use.
That's why I use " ", because I was being sarcastic...if I use " ", that mean than I am sarcastic or exagerative most of the time.
That don't change the fact than they are ennemy with the kitsune because if Yuki Onaa are winter, then kitsune are summer, they are opposite and fight each other.
They can be afraid of fire in the day-life, but they use it some time nontheless since it is "magical" (I prefer the term spiritual but evione is not okay on that point) fire that they use.
Huh?
Like GH said the scroll is Jiraya's property and the village can't do a thing about it.. if you want to have the scroll you have to summon a toad and only Jiraya and Naruto can summon them so the village is out..
Plus Gamambunta has to accept new contracts so the village would have been left without the frogs help anyway...
Like GH said the scroll is Jiraya's property and the village can't do a thing about it.. if you want to have the scroll you have to summon a toad and only Jiraya and Naruto can summon them so the village is out..
Plus Gamambunta has to accept new contracts so the village would have been left without the frogs help anyway...
Very valid points. Like I said Jiraiya would have taken the scroll with him when he went to Mol Mol and told the villagers where they could stick it. Naruto would have wanted it to stay in Konoha so they would still have Gamabunta to help defend them in the next generation. He was much more naturally forgiving than either Tsunade or Jiraiya and wouldn't have taken with him into exile.
But the point was Naruto wouldn't have it with him to pass on to Keitaro or Kanako. He was the last Kazama/Uzumaki to be able to summon toads, although he was able to summon them until the day he died. I'm thinking of a flashback scene at some point with Gamakichi and Kasumi arguing over who will take care of Keitaro for a time while Naruto has to do something and is babysitting.
But the point was Naruto wouldn't have it with him to pass on to Keitaro or Kanako. He was the last Kazama/Uzumaki to be able to summon toads, although he was able to summon them until the day he died. I'm thinking of a flashback scene at some point with Gamakichi and Kasumi arguing over who will take care of Keitaro for a time while Naruto has to do something and is babysitting.
The scroll can be summoned you know?
Alsoi it seems to me that the summons (except for the damn snakes) have a close relation with they're summoners and Gamanbunta wouldn aid the village that exiled Naruto no matter what.
Besides since Jiraya is still alive i don't see Naruto troubling with the issue since it's Jiraya's property anyway.
Alsoi it seems to me that the summons (except for the damn snakes) have a close relation with they're summoners and Gamanbunta wouldn aid the village that exiled Naruto no matter what.
Besides since Jiraya is still alive i don't see Naruto troubling with the issue since it's Jiraya's property anyway.