Kickstarters

Trunkyboy

Well-Known Member
#26
15 bucks to wasteland 2, seems interesting. I was a fan of fallout 2.
 

Elvarein

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#27
TBH this is a good start, but given that well "blockbuster" computer games takes many millions (10-15 minimum) to develop, the highest leagues sadly still seem to be dependent on publishers.

I am hopeful though, as this does help with the mid-cost games. Also, the publishers and developers will probably only take notice if Wasteland succeeds. If it fails, then...
 

Vexarian

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#28
Type of Game matters a lot too. Right now the only project I'm really concerned about is Wasteland 2, everything else is assuredly going to be just fine with the budget it has. Particularly Tim Schafer's Game given it funded at around 750%.
 
#29
Vexarian said:
Type of Game matters a lot too. Right now the only project I'm really concerned about is Wasteland 2, everything else is assuredly going to be just fine with the budget it has. Particularly Tim Schafer's Game given it funded at around 750%.
Wasteland 2's going to be a traditional top-down turn-based RPG and has a budget of nearly $3 mill.
I think Fallout was done on a budget of half that? And Fallout 2 for $2 mill?

Obviously inflation differences and all that, but advances in technology between now and then- you could develop more for the game with less money between now and then, so I'd think that wouldn't matter.
 

Raye_Terse

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#30
We need an open-source game developers kit, and it needs to be extremely powerful while also being somewhat easy to use. This kit would also have to include either the ultimate game engine, or several different kinds for different types of game. Because as it stands now, that's the only thing that could make kickstarter projects viable in general, IMO.
 

Antimatter

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#31
Raye_Terse said:
We need an open-source game developers kit, and it needs to be extremely powerful while also being somewhat easy to use. This kit would also have to include either the ultimate game engine, or several different kinds for different types of game. Because as it stands now, that's the only thing that could make kickstarter projects viable in general, IMO.
there are all kinds of cheap engines and toolsets out there for game developers.
 

Antimatter

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#32
LightningHunter said:
Vexarian said:
Type of Game matters a lot too. Right now the only project I'm really concerned about is Wasteland 2, everything else is assuredly going to be just fine with the budget it has. Particularly Tim Schafer's Game given it funded at around 750%.
Wasteland 2's going to be a traditional top-down turn-based RPG and has a budget of nearly $3 mill.
I think Fallout was done on a budget of half that? And Fallout 2 for $2 mill?

Obviously inflation differences and all that, but advances in technology between now and then- you could develop more for the game with less money between now and then, so I'd think that wouldn't matter.
Well, actually the budget will be much lower then that, due to rewards, shipping, and fees. They probably are working with more like 2.3-2.5 million. And that's on top of any private funding they can get now.
 

Vexarian

Well-Known Member
#33
Antimatter said:
LightningHunter said:
Vexarian said:
Type of Game matters a lot too. Right now the only project I'm really concerned about is Wasteland 2, everything else is assuredly going to be just fine with the budget it has. Particularly Tim Schafer's Game given it funded at around 750%.
Wasteland 2's going to be a traditional top-down turn-based RPG and has a budget of nearly $3 mill.
I think Fallout was done on a budget of half that? And Fallout 2 for $2 mill?

Obviously inflation differences and all that, but advances in technology between now and then- you could develop more for the game with less money between now and then, so I'd think that wouldn't matter.
Well, actually the budget will be much lower then that, due to rewards, shipping, and fees. They probably are working with more like 2.3-2.5 million. And that's on top of any private funding they can get now.
Presumably those all come at the END of the development cycle and would therefore be offset by sales produced.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#34
Bumping the thread~ At least it's only a few days old...

Police Warfare Kickstarter has been canceled. Oh well. But I felt it was bound to fail. Penny Arcade article mentioned how the people behind it were all production people and not business people. Even if it somehow succeeded, they might have issues with budget. I mean $325,000 (and that's before Kickstarter/Amazon take their share. As well as expenses for rewards and stuff) isn't much to make a new game.

That and, the pitch makes it sound like generic FPS with instead of soldiers, cops and criminals. Really? That's your pitch? Might as well mod Call of Duty then.

I like Kickstarter because I get to support, mainly games since that's what got me into Kickstarter, for genres that the big money people said was dead. Supporting something that Activision or EA already or have no problem approving? Nope.

Oh, and the thing I forgot to mention in my previous post. Well, more like I danced around it but didn't specifically mention it. Backers expectations. They expect, at minimum, the game to be made. In the case of LSL which I mentioned before, a new game. If that doesn't happen, well, that person might feel burned and would be reluctant to support another noble project. It happens. And will happen. That's the risk of Kickstarter. And why we have to be careful on who to support.
 

Vexarian

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#35
CONGRATULATIONS KICKSTARTER YOU INCOMPETENT PILE OF ASS.

I cannot fucking believe how utterly incompetent this "service" is.

On the 22nd I got two emails telling me that my credit card information had been declined. I resubmitted the information and it was declined again. For a service who's entire purpose is the aggregation of funding and who's only method of doing so is through credit card information and paypal they have sure fucking impressed me with how capable they are AT ACCRUING FUNDING USING CREDIT CARD INFORMATION.

This is just absolutely fucking disgusting. I would say that I hope their business model self-destructs except I know for a fucking fact that it will if this is how they fucking handle themselves.

I mean Jesus Christ I was given a "Deadline" of two motherfucking days to fix the problem with my Wasteland 2 pledge. TWO. That is an absurdly short amount of time and for something that is thoroughly not my fucking problem to begin with.

Can't access my fucking credit card information? Boo hoo hoo, let me play you a sad song on the world's smallest violin. It's not my fucking job to do YOUR fucking job.
 
#36
Just going to pimp something out guys.

<a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1003106610/the-cucumber-quest-book-project' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Cucumber Quest has a Kickstarter.</a> For those unfamiliar with Cucumber Quest, it's a webcomic made by Gigi aka hiimdaisy of the Metal Gear and Persona 4 fancomic fame. It's a hilarious spoof of old school RPG games and is a glorious read with fantastic, no seriously awesome, art. It's worth noting that it's long since achieved it's goal, but damn man, we gotta get those bonuses!
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#37
New project time.

<a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crateentertainment/grim-dawn?ref=live' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Grim Dawn</a>, from the makers of Titan Quest aka the real Diablo 3. Looks like more of the same, which sounds like a pretty good thing to me.

<a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/486250632/republique-by-camouflaj-logan?ref=live' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Republique</a> by some MGS and F.E.A.R. people. Looks like a stealth action game inspired by 1984. I'm not really taken with it because of the genre, but it looks gorgeous.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#38
And before we go too far with Kickstarter craze...

<a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/273246798/mythic-the-story-of-gods-and-men' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/273246...of-gods-and-men</a>

Exposed on Something Awful forum. <a href='http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3469966&pagenumber=14#post403093286' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthrea...4#post403093286</a> Say Hello to our first SCAM attempt! Well I take it back. Since I'm sure there have been scams before. But this was a terrible scam attempt because of how blatantly obvious it was. Their profile page was a joke. They took (stole) pictures from random websites to claim it was a part of their project, and Hell, they copied Banner Saga's tier list almost to a tee.

What's sad about this is, it still got almost $5000 from 83 suckers. Now it's possible that the large $2500 pledge was from the scammer themselves that they never intended to pay (just something to make it seem legit). But barring that, that means there was still 82 or so people willing support this fake project. Almost $2500 worth.

Of course, this was a terrible attempt. No one in their right mind (obviously not the 83 people that pledged) would have fell for it. But what happens if the people behind the scam actually had some talent?

I should be surprised... but I'm not. After all, people fall for that Nigerian spam email fraud. And it just reinforces my belief to be vigilant. Idiots and their money are soon departed... at least if it was ever fully funded (the one good thing about Kickstarter is that you won't be charged until after it is funded. Issues Vexarian faced not withstanding :unsure: ). Watch who you support and not just get taken in by a pretty video.
 

Meinos Kaen

Well-Known Member
#39
SimmyC said:
And before we go too far with Kickstarter craze...

<a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/273246798/mythic-the-story-of-gods-and-men' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/273246...of-gods-and-men</a>

Exposed on Something Awful forum. <a href='http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3469966&pagenumber=14#post403093286' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthrea...4#post403093286</a> Say Hello to our first SCAM attempt! Well I take it back. Since I'm sure there have been scams before. But this was a terrible scam attempt because of how blatantly obvious it was. Their profile page was a joke. They took (stole) pictures from random websites to claim it was a part of their project, and Hell, they copied Banner Saga's tier list almost to a tee.

What's sad about this is, it still got almost $5000 from 83 suckers. Now it's possible that the large $2500 pledge was from the scammer themselves that they never intended to pay (just something to make it seem legit). But barring that, that means there was still 82 or so people willing support this fake project. Almost $2500 worth.

Of course, this was a terrible attempt. No one in their right mind (obviously not the 83 people that pledged) would have fell for it. But what happens if the people behind the scam actually had some talent?

I should be surprised... but I'm not. After all, people fall for that Nigerian spam email fraud. And it just reinforces my belief to be vigilant. Idiots and their money are soon departed... at least if it was ever fully funded (the one good thing about Kickstarter is that you won't be charged until after it is funded. Issues Vexarian faced not withstanding :unsure: ). Watch who you support and not just get taken in by a pretty video.
It was bound to happen. Kickstarter is the power of the internet for who knows how to use it. And sadly, there are suckers.
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#40
Meinos Kaen said:
SimmyC said:
And before we go too far with Kickstarter craze...

<a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/273246798/mythic-the-story-of-gods-and-men' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/273246...of-gods-and-men</a>

Exposed on Something Awful forum. <a href='http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3469966&pagenumber=14#post403093286' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthrea...4#post403093286</a> Say Hello to our first SCAM attempt! Well I take it back. Since I'm sure there have been scams before. But this was a terrible scam attempt because of how blatantly obvious it was. Their profile page was a joke. They took (stole) pictures from random websites to claim it was a part of their project, and Hell, they copied Banner Saga's tier list almost to a tee.

What's sad about this is, it still got almost $5000 from 83 suckers. Now it's possible that the large $2500 pledge was from the scammer themselves that they never intended to pay (just something to make it seem legit). But barring that, that means there was still 82 or so people willing support this fake project. Almost $2500 worth.

Of course, this was a terrible attempt. No one in their right mind (obviously not the 83 people that pledged) would have fell for it. But what happens if the people behind the scam actually had some talent?

I should be surprised... but I'm not. After all, people fall for that Nigerian spam email fraud. And it just reinforces my belief to be vigilant. Idiots and their money are soon departed... at least if it was ever fully funded (the one good thing about Kickstarter is that you won't be charged until after it is funded. Issues Vexarian faced not withstanding :unsure: ). Watch who you support and not just get taken in by a pretty video.
It was bound to happen. Kickstarter is the power of the internet for who knows how to use it. And sadly, there are suckers.
I thought it looked legit, but I didn't put any money forward and I didn't check the sources.

I did hear that a fair number of "contributors" only did so to get forum access, where they posted comments about how it was a scam.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#41
Yeah. When I mentioned 83 suckers, not entirely true since yeah, I found that out later. Few people became 'backers' just to ask question and later expose the scam occurring. Just pledge $1 and you're a backer.

But let's assume this is, like, 3-4 people doing $1. That still leaves $4,735 or so from people that thought it was a serious project.

One of the major red flags was the fact that it copied and pasted Banner Saga's tier list. Also, the pitch that claimed to have worked for Activision/Blizzard and the graphics should be as good as Skyrim and Disney/Pixar was doing the animation... whoa wait, back the fuck up. Disney/Pixar? They're going to need a lot more than $80,000 to get them on board. Just the math here is questionable.

As for the pictures? Well Google Image search at least yielded some decent looking pictures that they could borrow. I'll give them props for that. However, a vigilant anon easily exposed the lie there.

At least they got some sucker to do the video pitch. I doubt it was the scammer themselves. Maybe they paid someone $20 to star in it. If it was the scammer themselves, they would be even bigger idiots than I thought.

This was a pretty amateurish attempt at a scam. The concern going forward is, well, not everyone is as lazy as these dudes and might make a pitch that sounds reasonable with artwork that wasn't 'borrowed' from the net.
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#42
Hey backers, just letting you know that <a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/732317316/starlight-inceptiontm/posts/220089?ref=activity' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Starlight Inception</a> could really use your help. It looks like the space fighter we've been waiting for since Freespace 2 went down; we literally cannot let this project die.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#43
Success! Starlight Inception hits its goal! Almost to the last minute.

Sadly, this one doesn't look like it'll hit it.
<a href='http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/486250632/republique-by-camouflaj-logan?ref=live' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/486250...-logan?ref=live</a>

I guess one of my concerns is showing. These projects need to be staggered more.
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#44
Starlight Inception made it! Starlight Inception made it! All right! Even two hours ago it looked like it wouldn't! This is great news!

Republique looks like an interesting project. I'm kinda surprised that they aren't already dealing with stretch goals.
 

nantukoprime

Well-Known Member
#45
For a very long time Republique was mobile only. I think that really hurt it, as it's very hard for me to imagine how it'd work with what they wanted to do with it.

To be honest, I'm still very concerned about how they're going to do a game where you're basically Otacon.

Still funding it, but I'm going to be very surprised if it hits its funding goal.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#46
Republique is definitely getting down to the wire. It could be another miracle run like Starlight Inception only bigger. But it could also be a case of so close yet so far away. It'll really suck if they get $495,000 and then it ends.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#49
Not only did they get their goal... they blew past it. This is nowhere near Starlight Inception's run where it only had 30 minutes left when it hit it. The rate it kept rising... most amazing thing I've seen.
 
#50
Nice. They were not looking good a few days ago, yet yesterday the numbers had gone up enough for me to think they'd probably do it. Didn't expect they'd get this much more than the goal, though. Still, I can't help but think they would've raised so much more if they'd announced it for the PC when they first started it.

EDIT: God. Just noticed their backers grew by about two thousand in the last seven hours.
 
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