Akamatsuverse Kryptonian Keitaro

EagleCeres

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DhampyrX2 said:
Ordo said:
Yup, that would do it. Either Keitaro wakes up Batman, or the fact that Batman traveled through time courtesy of Darkside's Omega Beam leads to him breaking through himself after the death of Damien. Meaning he'd show up on Keitaro's Island to everyone's surprise.

...which would make for an interesting scene but I'm a little too tired at the moment to create a plausible scenario.
Wally won't be overly surprised. After all, he's Batman. He's supposed to figure everything out.
Although a pre-52 Bat seeing post 52 Diana and Clark sucking face should be good for a laugh.

Okay, first priority, help Keitaro and the others to fix all of reality. Secondary priority, start setting up situations where Clark and Lois will run into each other constantly until reality is corrected. Maybe hire Luthor through some subsidiaries to put her in a few more hostage situations than normal.
Keitaro (and Kara) playing Matchmaker for the big guy and his (pre-52) canon squeeze... I'd love to see that, moreso if Clark happens to pull a few Keitaro like accidents while trying to be his meek, mild mannered self :p


Emerald Oracle said:
It's nice to see more of this, I hadn't realized that there'd even BEEN more until the forum move showed up. As for hero's who have noticeably different backstories may I suggest Kyle Rayner? In the new 52 after all he was a rookie WHILE THE CORPS EXISTED, and also pretty much his entire supporting cast no longer exists/doesn't remember him. His two closest friends are gone, and the acknowledged (due to star sapphire) love of his life no longer exists as well. Plus it's another direction they can look for leads on out there in the big wide universe.
I remember Kyle being somewhat buddy buddy in prior snips, so he would be a good addition to The 52-Ronins :p
 
EagleCeres said:
DhampyrX2 said:
Ordo said:
Yup, that would do it. Either Keitaro wakes up Batman, or the fact that Batman traveled through time courtesy of Darkside's Omega Beam leads to him breaking through himself after the death of Damien. Meaning he'd show up on Keitaro's Island to everyone's surprise.

...which would make for an interesting scene but I'm a little too tired at the moment to create a plausible scenario.
Wally won't be overly surprised. After all, he's Batman. He's supposed to figure everything out.
Although a pre-52 Bat seeing post 52 Diana and Clark sucking face should be good for a laugh.

Okay, first priority, help Keitaro and the others to fix all of reality. Secondary priority, start setting up situations where Clark and Lois will run into each other constantly until reality is corrected. Maybe hire Luthor through some subsidiaries to put her in a few more hostage situations than normal.
Keitaro (and Kara) playing Matchmaker for the big guy and his (pre-52) canon squeeze... I'd love to see that, moreso if Clark happens to pull a few Keitaro like accidents while trying to be his meek, mild mannered self :p


Emerald Oracle said:
It's nice to see more of this, I hadn't realized that there'd even BEEN more until the forum move showed up. As for hero's who have noticeably different backstories may I suggest Kyle Rayner? In the new 52 after all he was a rookie WHILE THE CORPS EXISTED, and also pretty much his entire supporting cast no longer exists/doesn't remember him. His two closest friends are gone, and the acknowledged (due to star sapphire) love of his life no longer exists as well. Plus it's another direction they can look for leads on out there in the big wide universe.
I remember Kyle being somewhat buddy buddy in prior snips, so he would be a good addition to The 52-Ronins :p
Ok that right there... best name ever! probably not actually indicative of how many there are, but still pretty damn awesome!

Also, I realize it may be odd to repost so soon after posting other stuff but I had the thought that if you're looking for a random jackass in DC who's screwed thigns up or IS screwing things up on the cosmic level then there's always Krona to fall back on. I mean he IS ultimately responsible for about 99% of the screwups in the universe, depending on a number of different things being canon or not.
 

DhampyrX2

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Okay, I just had to add this. Time to get the New 52 Ronins some support.



It was odd sometimes just what it would take to push someone over the edge. One would have thought that the trauma of losing his youngest son would have been the tipping point to bring Bruce Wayne, the Batman, fully back to himself since Keitaro had long since tried and failed to restore his memories of the original timeline. In essence, that was correct. It was not, however something that came as he held Damian's corpse and cried defiantly to the heavens, no matter what parallels could be drawn to a similar act in losing Jason years before. It was not in some epic conflict with Talia over the death of their son. No, it was something as mundane, as familiar, as looking over crime reports in the Batcave.

Bruce had been sitting at the Cray System, reviewing reports about Mr Freeze's recent escape, when his analytical mind started to pick up clues here and there. It wasn't the evidence left behind in the escape itself, it was more the lack of certain bits of evidence that should have been there that made him think.

It almost looks like one of us helped him. But who would do that? Especially without notifying the others? Dick and Babara certainly wouldn't. Tim might if he was in need of a cryogenics expert on case and thought he couldn't trust the others. Lord knows he and Damian had their problems, Bruce brooded with a look back at the uniform vault, as if expecting his two youngest sons to emerge from it arguing with each other. I suppose Kanako could be involved, too. She's always been a bit more of a loose canon. Especially if it would help Keitaro or Tim in some way...

And it was just that simple, a ripple of thought that should not have been but was. Had Bruce bothered to look in a mirror at that precise moment, he would have seen a aura of red similar to the one that Keitaro projected when "awakening" someone ghost across his eyes before seeming to shatter as reality reasserted itself. Keitaro... Kanako... Cassandra... no Damian. No. That's not right. It's wrong. It's all wrong, Bruce thought as he stood up. It all came back with alarming clarity, the conversation several weeks ago with Tim that seemed to be about a topic Bruce could not recall at the time. A conversation that had been set up in public at Gotham Central Square during lunch time and in civilian clothes to no doubt hide Keitaro hitting him with some kind of aura projection. He recalled clearly now what had only been a flutter before as he realized the difference between the two realities, possibly two different timelines. Then the haze of the "new" reality had reasserted itself and Bruce had forgotten Tim's queries and Keitaro's presence, for he had never known Keitaro in this reality.

With a grim determination, Bruce sat back down and began to access some of Wayne Industries-manufactured spy satellites to check over what should be an uninhabited island near Pararakelse Island. He was somewhat surprised to see not only signs of habitation, but a completed home there. It was not the one Bruce had commissioned to be built on the island in the previous timeline, rather it was more reminiscent of the home Wally dear God how had he forgotten about West like that? had built for himself and his wife. And as Bruce zoomed in with the imaging software it became clear why the home resembled Wally's house. There he was, out of uniform, talking and laughing with Donna Troy and Cassandra Cain as Keitaro, Kara, and Greta were playfully arguing about something.

Looks like you've been busy gathering allies in the face of whatever has happened, Ronin. Good work, Bruce praised in his head as he scanned the house with thermal imaging. Sure enough, there was a dark spot that could only come from an extreme cold room, most likely where Robin-Tim rather, was housing Victor Fries. If they had done to Victor what was done to him Mr Freeze certainly would ally himself with the young heroes to have his wife restored to him. In fact, he would be fanatically devoted to helping them.

That thought gave Bruce pause. He compared the two timelines in his head as he realized Damian had not been Robin in the original timeline. In fact, Talia had told him that she had lost their child together before he had been born. That could have been a lie, obviously, as Ra's had hidden Damian from him for most of his all too brief life. And the Talia he remembered from the first reality certainly would not have allowed her own child to be killed, or have tried to kill Bruce, for that matter. It was possible that if reality was restored Damian would be as well. Or he might cease to exist altogether.

It did beg the question, though, of if was worth it to try to restore the prime timeline? Was it worth it to return to a world where Darkseid was an established threat rather than a newly revealed one? Where the League had a long standing history together and a litany of deadly adversaries to show for it that could menace the Earth one more? Where Jason walked so much closer to the edge of darkness than he did now with Roy and Starfire beside him? Where Damian might have a chance to live?

Yes. It was worth it. If for no other reason than it was safer to have the charter members of the League regaining their full level of power and experience. Just because they had not encountered those threats did not mean that they did not exist. And the newly formed League, with heroes like Clark and Diana as little more than glorified rookies, was laughably vulnerable. That might even have been the point of whatever sparked this anomaly. Certainly villains like the Anti-Monitor, Monarch, or even Vandal Savage would jump at the chance to take advantage of a weakened League. Only the fact that Darkseid himself had not laid waste to them in their recent encounter discredited him as a possible culprit.

Of course, just deciding that the problem needed to be addressed did not explain how to do it. No doubt Robin and Ronin were working together with the others to answer that very question. He would have to arrange a meeting with them, and upgrade their equipment, to help in the search. He should probably also check on Keitaro's usual contacts in Japan. There was little doubt he would have tried whatever he used to restore Kara and the others on his sister and Motoko, at the very least. If they were aware of the original timeline it would benefit them both to have a full complement of equipment on hand before they grew too restless and rejoined Ronin.

I wonder if I should ask Keitaro to try to awaken Selina? Kanako would certainly enjoy working with her again and they make for an effective infiltration team. Oh well, something to consider for later, Bruce thought as he began making plans in regards to what Keitaro and the others would need.

As Bruce worked, he continuously compared and contrasted his memories of both timelines, looking for discrepancies that could be investigated to get to the source of the problem. As he recalled how Clark and Diana were acting toward each other in the current timeline his face broke into a scowl that Wally would have called a "Bat-Glare times 10." Maybe I should see if I can arrange for Clark and Lois to be assigned to more projects together while I'm at it? Let nature take it's course, he added mentally without bothering to explore his motivations behind the thought. Then again, it was a long habit of his to not investigate his motivations in regards to his opinions about Diana's romantic interests too closely. He never thought over how she had ended up a Star Sapphire for a time during his "death" at Darkseid's hand, for example. That way lay madness.

For now, he had to work out what Robin and Ronin would need in their search and concentrate on discovering the source of the change. Everything else could wait.
 

EagleCeres

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Bruce... playing matchmaker (or at least financing Kei and Kara to be his implements of romance) for Clark and Lois???
Follow the Madness, Bruce... you know it to be true (or at least fun) :p
(kindly read as: MOAR!!!)
 

Prince Charon

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EagleCeres said:
Bruce... playing matchmaker (or at least financing Kei and Kara to be his implements of romance) for Clark and Lois???
Follow the Madness, Bruce... you know it to be true (or at least fun) :p
(kindly read as: MOAR!!!)
Yes. More soon, please.
 
What was Ronin's relationship with Superboy before the reset? I realize that he's very close to Kara, but did that extend to any of the other Supers? I can't recall... I ask because with what Superboy's been up to PLUS the recent revelations about his new 52 origins I'm wondering what his take on all this might be, besides possibly having a mental breakdown over some of the stuff he's been through/done in the new 52.
 

DhampyrX2

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Emerald Oracle said:
What was Ronin's relationship with Superboy before the reset? I realize that he's very close to Kara, but did that extend to any of the other Supers? I can't recall... I ask because with what Superboy's been up to PLUS the recent revelations about his new 52 origins I'm wondering what his take on all this might be, besides possibly having a mental breakdown over some of the stuff he's been through/done in the new 52.
Connor was already dead before Keitaro came onto the scene, then he was revived during Blackest Night/Brightest Day. Cassie/Wondergirl basically chose Connor during a fight between Connor and Keitaro with Keitaro's blessing as she helped him regain his right mind and break the influence of the black lantern ring. Since then I would have called them at least friendly with each other since Connor seems to crave family and would probably root for Kara and Keitaro to hook up the same way Clark would. And I could see him thinking the "Ronin-harem" was hilarious now that Cassie is no longer a member of it. Especially given Connor's days as the Walking Hormone.
 

EagleCeres

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DhampyrX2 said:
And I could see him thinking the "Ronin-harem" was hilarious now that Cassie is no longer a member of it. Especially given Connor's days as the Walking Hormone.
Even funnier still since the ladies are chasing after him, and he's just being his normal self; would Connor be a bit jealous of Kei's popularity, or just act cool and try to "help him" setting up double dates :p
 
Hm, I know that Keitaro freed Tim's mind as it were, what were the ramifications on the Titans and the Legion as a result of that? Was Tim still helping them all out, did he try to stop/help Connor more, or did he change his focus to working with the 52 Ronins? I ask because the main threat both groups were facing is a subversive terrorist organization led by a temporally mutated denizen of the 30th century bent on the extermination of Metahumans starting with the teenagers. Like it or lump it Red Robin played a big part in making sure Bart, Cassie, Solstice, Bunker, Superboy, and a bunch of other innocent abducted teenagers didn't end up dead or brainwashed.
 

DhampyrX2

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I have no idea why, but I feel like adding a side-story to this where Keitaro inadvertently wakes up a couple of the New-52 versions of the WildC.A.T.s and restores their original Wildstorm selves. Say, Grifter, Zealot, and Voodoo. Somehow I don't think Zealot or Grifter would embrace the new reality. Of course they might assume the whole mess is a Daemonite plot.

Actually, hmm. Keitaro tried to wake up a hero in a strip club where Voodoo happens to be working (I leave which one open to suggestion although I could see Green Arrow there under certain circumstances) and inadvertently wakes her up when she touches him while he's making the attempt. Her psychic gift for expelling Daemonites works in a similar way to the power Keitaro has but since she's not JLA affiliated she has no idea what's going on or who Ronin's civilian identity is and thus does not try to join him. Being the only member of her team awake, she assumes Daemonite intervention and tracks down the others, waking Grifter and Zealot in the process.
 
Would she try to get help other Wildstorm heroes? I ask because Grifter is running with Deathblow when last I checked and Zealot is only sometimes on Earth. Also, in getting Warblade back, who would probably both love and hate it, she might run across Fairchild and or Grunge, and attract the attention of N.O.W.H.E.R.E. leading into a possible Superboy/Teen Titans/Ronin Connection. Plus Maul and Spartan are still MIA.

Overall, Voodoo running around on her own would make for a good story bit as it opens up wide new vistas for exploration.
 

DhampyrX2

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I would think the first three she would look for are Maul (who is MIA and thus she won't find), Zealot (she DID train Voodoo even if they were on the outs for how Zealot treated her after learning she was part Daemonite), and Grifter as the easiest to locate. I imagine she'd look for Spartan too but since we don't know where he is either she would need to run with who she could locate. If she thinks the whole thing is a Daemonite invasion plot of some kind she'd try to free Zealot and Grifter, which would ironically work even though the Daemonites are not involved with the shift in reality. The Warblade connection... that raises some very good points.
 
I agree the easiest/quickest one for her to find would be Grifter, as he's the only one with any kind of public reputation. Zealot's an interstellar mercenary/bounty hunter who's only rarely on earth and has worked with the Midnighter in the past, so Voodoo could eventually find her but it'd take some doing, and the others are all MIA.

There are two things to remember though, the original Voodoo in the new 52 was a Daemonite clone of actual Voodoo with all her memories, which could throw some monkey wrenches into things or might just make for a stranger/stronger story. Real!Voodoo was locked up by the Black Razors for a while and then worked with them to catch her clone.
The other thing is that in the new 52 there doesn't seem to be any trace of the Kherubim, none of their tech, none of them at ALL besides Zealot have shown up, and she has viable interstellar travel and no ties to earth. The Kherubim haven't shown up in any of the more cosmic DC stuff either, but then lately that's been pretty internally focused on GL.
 

DhampyrX2

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Excellent points on all fronts. I suppose we could play the Daemonite clone and Real!Voodoo like Karen and Kara, respectively. Of course since we know that most of the Daemonites not on earth were decent enough people and the Kherubim could kind of be jerks there's no reason that Clone!Voodoo has to be evil. And I think that if she wakes Grifter up first, his first instinct is going to be to try to track down Zealot. I'm not saying it would be easy, just that it would be what Grifter would pull for, especially if he thought she was in danger because of the rewrite.

Actually, has the new-52 addressed the Coda yet? You know, what with Grifter being the only fully acknowledged and recognized male Coda warrior ever in existence. It might make for a fun conversation with Zealot when he finally tracks her down and tries to convince her of how crazy everything has become. Hmm, and now I'm wondering if they should stumble across Savant during their search? Maybe she might decide to make a play at her big sister/secret mother's "special friend" while Zealot is not in a position to care? Just for the lulz.

I imagine they would try to track down Void too, which should technically be impossible. Then again, if the ship that Keitaro's ancestor used to get to Earth was still there, there's no reason why they couldn't find her at some point.
 

DhampyrX2

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Okay, simple enough. I just follow Ollie in, wake him up, and leave. Don't look at anything and make sure Motoko and Naru never learn I was in here, even for work, Keitaro thought to himself as he made his way carefully through the strip club. He really didn't want to be there, but Oliver Queen, aka Green Arrow, had entered while doing surveillance on a mobster he was shadowing and it was the best opportunity for Keitaro to get near the billionaire since he had no access to any of Ollie's regular contacts to try to awaken him.

Now if only he could get closer to him without seeming too creepy. And try to forget hearing Kara grumbling about how it was her luck that he's run into Karen working there or something. Which was ridiculous of course. Karen had never worked as an exotic dancer that he knew of even if she was a bit flamboyant sometimes. And he certainly never pictured her naked. That would be like picturing Kara naked since they were essentially the same person at slightly different ages and Keitaro did NOT need to be picturing his best friend in the nude. No siree. Never. Uh-uh.

He was so going to hell for even having this train of thought. Especially as a VERY comely blonde in a white bit of lingerie that hid NOTHING smiled at him in a way that reminded him of Karen.

Keitaro shook his head as he returned her look with a nervous smile and milled through the crowd toward Ollie. God, he just knew he would never hear the end of this if Dinah-sensei ever heard about it once they had fixed the timeline. Well, after she "sparred" with Green Arrow for "leading" him in here, at any rate.

Ronin steeled himself as he concentrated and bringing the red aura into his right hand and moved closer to Ollie from behind, who was talking with a very attractive purple-haired dancer. Just a few feet closer and he'd be able to do it. He just hoped it worked and Ollie didn't make too big of a scene...

"So anyway, handsome, you can call me Voodoo. Are you sure I can't interest you in a two-for-one right now?" Voodoo asked with her best come-hither look. It didn't take a genius to see the blonde man scanning the room was both looking for something in particular and practically oozed money. Money she would need to better serve the Daemonite cause as she gathered intelligence on the meta-human threat.

"I appreciate the offer, miss, but I'm not interested at this moment," Ollie responded with a charming grin.

Voodoo, or rather Priscilla Kitaen, huffed a bit but accepted the rather polite dismissal. There were plenty of other gullible humans in the room for her to take advantage of and every dancer got rejected from time to time. It was better to move on rather than keep pushing.

And speaking of pushing, a rather rude and fat human took that moment to bump in to a cute if somewhat gangly bespectacled younger human male that had been trying to make his way through the crowded room to am empty seat, causing the young man to bump into her and take her hand to steady himself. She felt a flush of warmth for a moment and everything seemed red before he straightened himself with an awkward "excuse me" and moved to find a different seat.

Voodoo dismissed the whole event for the most part, although she started to feel an odd headache and decided to head back to the dressing room to catch her breath instead of fighting the crowd. She stumbled in and took a seat and she held her head and fought off a wave of dizziness.

Another dancer looked on and clicked her tongue before remarking, "I thought you knew better than to party too much during work, Pris. Save it for when you get one of these saps to take you to a nice hotel."

"Can it, Margaret," Priscilla snapped as she tried to get a handle on the mounting headache.

"That's Marguerite," the obviously surgically-altered bottled blonde corrected.

"Sure it is," Voodoo snapped sarcastically, causing the other dancer to sniff indignantly before storming out of the room and leaving Priscilla blessedly alone. God she hated humans sometimes. The world would be so much better when Daemonites ruled it all. It just had to be.

And with that thought in mind Voodoo moved to look at herself in the mirrors before going to her locker to take some pain killers and get back to work. Only something was different as she looked at her reflection. Everything seemed to... ripple for a moment before coming back to reality with a frightening clarity. "Jeremy...Maul. Warblade. Spartan. Grifter. Zealot," she recited as images seemed to flood her mind. It was all too much to take as her headache became more intense and she grunted in pain, falling to her knees as she clutched at her skull. Voodoo bit back a scream as the pain reached and crescendo before finally receding.

"Oh God. What happened?" Voodoo thought aloud as she got up and looked in the mirror. Had she been captured? Brainwashed? Well of course she had. She was working as a Daemonite agent with a full compliment of false memories. Who else would set her up like this?

But what had freed her? Had she managed some kind of... self-depossession to fight off whatever was done to her? Or had something triggered it? Now that she thought about it, she did think she had seen a flash of red from that guy with the glasses earlier. Was he a Kherubim with a gift similar to hers? Or maybe one of the peaceful Daemonites she had encountered since her visit to Khera? She supposed it didn't matter for the moment. For now, the best thing she could do would be to track down Jeremy and the others. They must be worried sick about her. God only knew how long she had been missing to be implanted with such a full compliment of false memories. With any luck, Jeremy would be able to get in touch with Grifter and warn the WildCATs. She had a feeling this was going to get ugly.

She didn't even bother to mention that she was leaving to the club manager as she quickly dressed and headed out the back door. This was more important than her dancing and she knew she needed to hurry. As she headed down the street she muttered to herself that she hoped Jeremy forgave her for how she had ended their relationship and failed to notice a front page headline entitled "CAN WE TRUST CAPTAIN ATOM?" with an accompanying picture that was vastly different than the Captain Atom she and the other WildCATS had recently encountered. Had she seen it, she might have had a better understanding of just how scrambled[/i] the world truly was at the moment.
 

Ordo

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Interesting. At one point I'd considered bringing Negima into this storyline. I had the idea of Keitaro finding a link between the Turtle civilization (or somethign similar) and The Magic world of Negima. I figured Motoko would clue him in since her school has ties to the magic world. I'd intended for Keitaro and a few others (Kara, Raven, Beast Boy, Impulse etc) to take a trip to this new world.

This would eventually lead to Negi talking with the JL about his terraforming idea, something I think the league would back. In fact I'd planned for the turmoil caused by the reveal of the magic world to be the final storyline in this tale as I figured any number of powers/groups/organizations would try and take advantage of this monumental event.

However I abandoned the idea after deicding I was adding too much to the current idea.

The above idea actually presents me with the opportunity to explore the concept once again. The idea of Negi being descended from a Kheribum or daemonite line (or a fusion of the two) in this reality does appeal to me......

Anyways a fine addition.
 

MastaofBitches

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Negima does exist in the same universe as Love Hina, but I'm thinking you might be bringing in a bit to many crossover elements at this point. The WildC.A.T.s seemed really unnecessary, unless you had idea for them to do something in the plot.
 

DhampyrX2

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MastaofBitches said:
Negima does exist in the same universe as Love Hina, but I'm thinking you might be bringing in a bit to many crossover elements at this point. The WildC.A.T.s seemed really unnecessary, unless you had idea for them to do something in the plot.
You do realize that WildC.A.T.s is technically not a new crossover given that they've been folded into the rest of DC the new 52 right?
 

MastaofBitches

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Nope. But do you actually have plans for those characters? I mean, what's their relevance to Keitaro, and the main plot of the story? Do they really need to be there?
 
As far as I know the Coda don't exist in the New 52, which makes some sense given they're much the same as the amazons, though I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they show up as some group with a connection to the Bana-Migdhall group. Again though that hasn't happened.

I really need to read the Wonder Woman stuff and see what's happened there and if it has any bearing here.

As far as connection goes, the Wildstorm angle is an entirely separate universe that's been spliced in that does theoretically need to be addressed if we're eventually going to deal with whoever or whatever re-wrote everyone's minds. It makes more sense to have a group from that universe exploring that angle than it does Ronin et all who know nothing about it. Whoever the final villain is DID merge and rewrite 3 realities, though by that logic there should be a vertigo team too and that's a bit of a bridge too far for me as Vertigo wasn't exactly a unified comic verse like the other two are/were.
 

Ordo

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If you were to continue the Wildstorm portion I'd honestly suggest seperating it a bit from the main 52 Ronin tale. As for doing something with the characters, it's not at all hard to see the Daemonites (or at least the evil ones) might have actually helped the main tales 'Big Bad' in altering the timelines. Keitaro and the slowly reforming league are going to have their hands full with the big bad. You could leave her/his Daemonite allies to the reforming WildCATS.

As far as connection goes, the Wildstorm angle is an entirely separate universe that's been spliced in that does theoretically need to be addressed if we're eventually going to deal with whoever or whatever re-wrote everyone's minds. It makes more sense to have a group from that universe exploring that angle than it does Ronin et all who know nothing about it. Whoever the final villain is DID merge and rewrite 3 realities, though by that logic there should be a vertigo team too and that's a bit of a bridge too far for me as Vertigo wasn't exactly a unified comic verse like the other two are/were.
Agreed.

You know, TopCow just recently had a major shift since Jackie Estacado rebuilt their world in his own image. I'd actually enjoy having him be ultimatly responsible for the current situation. Jackie means well but he's obviously NOT the person anyone wants rewriting reality.
 
heh, I just realized that every Wildstormer is going to think that Superman is Mr Majestic under Mind whammy. People have made that mistake before after all since they're so similar in appearance and power set. Though when the whole Superman Wonder Woman thing becomes the newest public relation thing I do wonder how that'd make the WildCATS react. Would they think Diana is actually Zannah or a misguided Coda warrior? After all none of them besides Void have any frame of reference for the DCU, and she's not around.
 

DhampyrX2

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Emerald Oracle said:
heh, I just realized that every Wildstormer is going to think that Superman is Mr Majestic under Mind whammy. People have made that mistake before after all since they're so similar in appearance and power set. Though when the whole Superman Wonder Woman thing becomes the newest public relation thing I do wonder how that'd make the WildCATS react. Would they think Diana is actually Zannah or a misguided Coda warrior? After all none of them besides Void have any frame of reference for the DCU, and she's not around.
Well technically, they DID all encounter and fight Captain Atom when he got thrown into their reality for a short time. And the fact he exists in the New 52 with a new look and power set would set up a serious WTF moment for the WildC.A.T.s at the very least. Actually... Zealot might ignore Clark's presence with Grifter there at her side, but would Savant if she's there? How would someone claiming to be Clark's daughter impact everything?
 
hmmmmm, that would depend on whether or not Majestros actually WAS folded into Superman during the reality altering event. If he was, then it's entirely possible that all Kherans are now in some way, shape, or form Kryptonian which raises a whole bunch of other questions. If Majestros is still out there being a Kherubim Lord though then one simple Fortress-powered DNA test later and we're done.

I think that Zealot would ignore Clark for awhile, mainly cause I see the Wildstorm group as being much more Covert Action, after all they are a Covert Action Team. They have no knowledge of the vast majority of the supers that are present, hero or villain, by all apperaences the interstellar map has changed as well, as shown by the GLC, and their originating species is awol.

Eventually, when they were ready to move publicly then Zannah would probably try and free Clark with hilarious consequences. I do have to wonder what her take on the recent business with Atlantis would be though. On Wildstorm Earth Atlantis was long dead, and when it DID exist it was a Kheran colony, some survivors are still around but they're rare. On DC Earth it's still around and objectively the most advanced technological society on the planet, especially since Gorilla City got that nerf, and the recent assault shows the ENTIRE WORLD that it's alive and well.

This is all ignoring the repercussions in Grifter's own book which I'll admit to not having read, and should do so that I might have a comprehension of what the hell this might do to his continuity.
 

DhampyrX2

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Emerald Oracle said:
hmmmmm, that would depend on whether or not Majestros actually WAS folded into Superman during the reality altering event. If he was, then it's entirely possible that all Kherans are now in some way, shape, or form Kryptonian which raises a whole bunch of other questions. If Majestros is still out there being a Kherubim Lord though then one simple Fortress-powered DNA test later and we're done.

I think that Zealot would ignore Clark for awhile, mainly cause I see the Wildstorm group as being much more Covert Action, after all they are a Covert Action Team. They have no knowledge of the vast majority of the supers that are present, hero or villain, by all apperaences the interstellar map has changed as well, as shown by the GLC, and their originating species is awol.

Eventually, when they were ready to move publicly then Zannah would probably try and free Clark with hilarious consequences. I do have to wonder what her take on the recent business with Atlantis would be though. On Wildstorm Earth Atlantis was long dead, and when it DID exist it was a Kheran colony, some survivors are still around but they're rare. On DC Earth it's still around and objectively the most advanced technological society on the planet, especially since Gorilla City got that nerf, and the recent assault shows the ENTIRE WORLD that it's alive and well.

This is all ignoring the repercussions in Grifter's own book which I'll admit to not having read, and should do so that I might have a comprehension of what the hell this might do to his continuity.
That could actually be a tie in near the climax. Voodoo can wake people up as well but there's no saying her method works the same way that Keitaro's does. The WildC.A.T.s might show up to "wake up" Superman thinking his Majestic and end up reviving the real Man of Steel instead. Which would kind of suck for them but could still have comedic and dramatic potential. Although once they know Clark and Majestros aren't one in the same I could see Voodoo or Savant flirting with him just to get a rise out of him.
 
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