Last Jedi spoilers thread

Contrabardus

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#1
For those of us who have seen it and want to discuss the many things that happen in this film.

FULL SPOILERS AHEAD WARNING.

The point of this thread is to discuss what happens in the movie without the need to use spoiler tags to hide anything. Do not continue unless you've seen it or don't care about having it spoiled at all.

If you're a Star Wars fan this movie is best seen as unspoiled as possible.

This post is the only warning. The next post will be full of major spoilers.
 

Contrabardus

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Could have done without the Carrie Fisher fake out death. Not so much that it happened, just how they did it. It was cool to see her use the Force and save herself, but it could have been done in a much more plausible way without having her look like Space Mary Poppins. She could have been buried under debris and used the force to lift it off herself and make it to safety or something.

Good way to kill off Akbar. The guy who voiced him died, so it needed to be done.

I also like what they did with Kylo Ren here, it really sets up the payoff in the throne room scene later on and leaves you questioning.

I also like that he didn't turn and became the big bad for the next movie. It was fun to see him reign in Hux. They have an interesting dynamic going.

Also, no, the guards in the throne room were not the Knights of Ren. They weren't in this movie and will probably be a major part of Episode IX. Perhaps we'll even see one of them turn and join Rei to rebuild the Jedi.

Kind of surprised they didn't edit or reshoot part of the film to kill off Fisher. I kind of get why they didn't, but I think they should have. After her death, she should have been the one to pilot the ship into the Star Destroyers, with Dern taking over her role as the Resistance leader in future films. The could have reshot some of the movie to make that work. Now it's going to have to happen with CGI or off screen between movies, and the character of Leia deserved a better sendoff than that.

Rey is less of a sue this time, which is nice. Overall the character development is much better in this movie.

Finn is desperately thirsty for half the movie.

No one ever mentions that Poe probably saved the resistance by insisting that they destroy the dreadnought. Liea's reaction to his actions was correct at the time, but someone should have pointed it out later on once they were being pursued by the First Order later on. That thing would have blown them out of the stars with ease, but thanks to him taking it out and removing those cannons, they were able to fend them off long enough to survive.

I've seen a lot of complaints about Poe's characterization in the movie and it's a detail a lot of people missed.

BB-8 was overdone a bit. He was also a bit too much cartoon for the rest of the movie. Would have rather seen someone else piloting the AT-ST towards the end of the film. Rose could have managed to get to it while Finn was distracting Phasma or something along those lines.

Snoke getting killed was epic. Was not expecting it, though they did telegraph it a bit too much. Would have been better if they'd kept it a surprise until the end rather than showing the lightsaber turning towards him.

The casino sequence was shit. Worst part of the movie hands down. The prequel was strong with this segment. It's where the CGI looked the worst, where the movie was the most cartoonish, and overall just didn't fit with the tone of the rest of the movie.

Del Toro was fun, but I could have done without the stutter. It's also not clear if he was the hacker that Maz intended for them to meet or not. It's a bit much to be coincidence. Looking forward to seeing more of him in Episode IX. Really hope he doesn't get to turn good considering how many people he managed to get killed. I really don't see the Resistance forgiving him for that.

I liked Rose's character a lot, but it was unfortunate that she and Finn got stuck with the weakest part of the film. This could have been a lot shorter.

I liked Luke's old man thing. There was still enough of him there that it worked. This was especially apparent in the scene with him and R2.

Phasma is probably not dead. Though I doubt she's feeling good after that. Her armor probably saved her, but I don't think she made it out unscathed.

I liked Yoda's appearance, and am glad they went with puppet Yoda rather than CG Yoda.

Was expecting Luke to die, just not how he went out. I think they wanted to suggest a parallel with Obi-Wan, and instead went with a parallel with Yoda.

Yes, despite some I've seen complain about it, it was explained. Kylo mentions why when he tells Rey that the effort of doing it would have killed her. That's what happened to Luke and why he dies.

Rey's parents is bullshit. What we hear in this movie that they are "nobody" doesn't jive with what we learn from TFA. They are saving that for IX. I don't really know who her parents were, but this makes no sense. Of course, they could have been nobodies who were related to somebody.

Though, even then the story that they are dead on Jakku doesn't really work given the flashback we see of her being left behind and the ship taking off in TFA. She's also not a slave in TFA, though she should be given the story we get here.

This movie takes too much pleasure in screwing with the audience for me to trust that one bit. It also makes a bit story point out of it, and the fake out doesn't seem genuine.

I don't trust it.

I also don't think she and Kylo are brother and sister, or that she's Luke's daughter either. Maybe Wedge had a granddaughter, or she's the grandchild of the result of an affair between Obi-wan and Satine or Tachi. Enough time has passed since the Clone Wars that she could easily be the grandchild of someone from that era even if it isn't Obi-wan.

Another thing I liked was the three different perspectives of Luke confronting Ben. That worked in the favor of how the dynamic between Kylo and Rey played out.

It was also fun to see him go off the deep end after the throne room sequence once he wakes up and finds Rey gone.

I really need to watch this again to get some of this stuff figured out and settled. This is one of those movies you kind of need to watch more than once to really get a handle on.

Broom kid only worked because of the casino sequence at the end. I could have done without that entire sequence, even if it meant not having the broom kid tag on the end of the movie.

This movie desperately needed tightening and there's a lot there that just didn't need to be. It could have easily cut a half hour of time and been a better movie for it.

Though, on the plus side a lot of the stuff that was there just to sell toys [the porgs notably] doesn't really nose it's way into things like the Ewoks did. Disney seems to have figured out how to handle that sort of thing in a Star Wars movie without it being excessively intrusive.
 

Ordo

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I've seen the movie twice now, and I really like it now that I've had time to digest more of it.

Early on Luke says to Rey "What did you think I would use a laser sword and face down the entire First Order?" and then in the end he does exactly that...humiliating Kylo Ren in one of the best Trolls of all time.

I don't want a love triangle....but Rose kissed Finn....and he looked bemused by it. However he did make Rose comfortable on the Falcon...which Rey saw...after their warm reunion hug...I hope this dosen't get ugly....buuuut.

I've already seen Leia's 'Moment' redone with the theme from 'Superman'...which I'm good with. It was a tad Mary Poppinsish but seeing her with that much control and power was just freakin awesome to me.

I did enjoy watching Snoke toss Rey around like a rag doll....that plus her mistake with Kylo Ren made it clear...she's not a Mary Sue.

I'm glad Finn put Phasma on her rear and I hope she's gone for good....especially since we Have 'The Knights of Ren' to deal with.

Last thought....I give Kylo Ren three years before he either runs the First Order into the ground...or causes a coup in his own ranks
 

Contrabardus

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Ordo said:
I've seen the movie twice now, and I really like it now that I've had time to digest more of it.

Early on Luke says to Rey "What did you think I would use a laser sword and face down the entire First Order?" and then in the end he does exactly that...humiliating Kylo Ren in one of the best Trolls of all time.

I don't want a love triangle....but Rose kissed Finn....and he looked bemused by it. However he did make Rose comfortable on the Falcon...which Rey saw...after their warm reunion hug...I hope this dosen't get ugly....buuuut.

I've already seen Leia's 'Moment' redone with the theme from 'Superman'...which I'm good with. It was a tad Mary Poppinsish but seeing her with that much control and power was just freakin awesome to me.

I did enjoy watching Snoke toss Rey around like a rag doll....that plus her mistake with Kylo Ren made it clear...she's not a Mary Sue.

I'm glad Finn put Phasma on her rear and I hope she's gone for good....especially since we Have 'The Knights of Ren' to deal with.

Last thought....I give Kylo Ren three years before he either runs the First Order into the ground...or causes a coup in his own ranks
It's not that they did something with Leia using force powers, or even that it was particularly strong. It's just how they did it seemed kind of silly in context and out of place given the scene it was in. My issue is with how they did it, not that they did it at all.

I think a scene like that needed to happen, just that it would have been better if it wasn't done the way it was in the movie.

As for Kylo running the FO into the ground... Nah, he's got the Knights of Ren, which he is without doubt top dog in now. Here we learn they are the students he left Luke's school with. He was likely the ringleader, especially given his position in the First Order.

He'll probably leave most of the day to day stuff to Hux just like Snoke did.

He's also smart enough to keep him, and likely the other knights, on a tight leash. Especially since his temper has grown shorter.

I do kind of expect one of the knights to turn on him and go back to the light side in the next movie. They could survive, but could also die as a result.

A lot of them could also survive episode IX, as there will likely be a X-XII as well. I doubt Kylo will survive, but the remaining knights forming a new order of Sith could make for a good plotline for future sequels.

Either way, Rey will likely be training new Jedi by the end of IX or immediately after.

Another possible outcome of the Finn and Rose thing is that Rey gets jealous and takes a dive into the dark side as a result. It could provide a source of some conflict for her at least and make her consider Kylo's offer.
 

Contrabardus

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#5
You know, another interesting possibility I thought of for a possible plot for Episode IX is that Hux and Kylo split the First Order in two and have a sort of internal civil war.

Kylo takes the role of supreme leader and basically manhandles Hux for the rest of TLJ. He doesn't seem the type to take that for long from someone like Kylo, whom he has no real respect for.

Hux nearly kills him but misses his chance in the aftermath of the throne room, so the dynamic set up between them in TLJ sets this up pretty well. Especially if it's set after a bit of time has passed rather than just jumping in where the TLJ left off.

One side is run by Hux and those loyal to him.

The other run by Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren. Kylo has become increasingly more violent, destructive, and paranoid since the events in the throne room. He is obsessed with finding Rey and either turning or killing her.

Hux is getting his ass handed to him, which forces him to turn to the Resistance for help. Their state after the events of Last Jedi is in disarray still, they've managed to recover somewhat and have manpower, but still struggle with finding ways to supply and fund their cause, so they have little choice but to agree.

Having Phasma on Hux's side if she survived somehow gives her something to actually do in this movie. Possibly pairing her up with Finn and forcing them to work together despite a mutual hatred and mistrust of each other.

If they want to keep the "gag" of her being useless and not having much screen time, have her be a double agent for Kylo's side that is quickly dispatched by Finn once again.

At any rate, Kylo is clearly the biggest threat to both sides, the most dangerous to the galaxy at large, and they are both forced to deal with each other as the lesser evil.

Thus we end up with a Resistance and First Order alliance that is barely held together with a lot of tension between them facing a unified and powerful enemy run by a group of dangerous force users, and all they have to combat that kind of enemy is Rey.

Hux's faction of the First Order can provide them with resources and intelligence they haven't been able to procure on their own, and the Resistance can provide manpower and a way to counter the Knights of Ren with Rey.

Also, at least one of the Knights of Ren will turn back to the light, but may or may not survive the movie because of it.

That's my prediction for the plot of Episode IX.

I know it has virtually no chance of happening, but I wouldn't mind seeing Ahsoka show up as the second mentor for Rey.

Let's say she cut off her connection to the Force in the same way Luke did and went underground after whatever happens in the last season of Rebels. She should also not be like Luke and may actively seek Rey out to help her due to a vision she had in the years before she cut off her connection from the force to hide from the Empire.

Another possibility is that the Knight that turns back is Ahsoka's child or grandchild. This would give some resolution for her fate assuming she survives Rebels somehow.

Would be a nice way to call back to something that isn't one of the movies but is still canon. I don't expect it, but it would be cool anyway.
 

Ordo

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#6
Agreed, Hux was drawing his blaster when Kylo was unconscious and the look on his face when they find the Resistance base empty suggests he's clearly not happy with the current situation. In this scenario I'd like to sit back and let them tear into one another....but I'm not sure I have that option this time around.

I have to give props to Adam Driver....his portrayal of Kylo Ren as been a wonderful example of what happens as you lose humanity and pick up derangements.

It's funny, we talked about Snoke's flag ship, and how bringing it into battle was a bad idea....now those words seem prophetic after the Raddus's ramming maneuver.

I must admit, if we're going into the outer rim next film to build a New Rebel Alliance I really want to bring some EU stuff into this....like the Chiss Ascendancy, the Hapes consortium, etc. We don't need to go into detail...just show the ships and representatives are present.
 

Contrabardus

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Ordo said:
Agreed, Hux was drawing his blaster when Kylo was unconscious and the look on his face when they find the Resistance base empty suggests he's clearly not happy with the current situation. In this scenario I'd like to sit back and let them tear into one another....but I'm not sure I have that option this time around.

I have to give props to Adam Driver....his portrayal of Kylo Ren as been a wonderful example of what happens as you lose humanity and pick up derangements.

It's funny, we talked about Snoke's flag ship, and how bringing it into battle was a bad idea....now those words seem prophetic after the Raddus's ramming maneuver.

I must admit, if we're going into the outer rim next film to build a New Rebel Alliance I really want to bring some EU stuff into this....like the Chiss Ascendancy, the Hapes consortium, etc. We don't need to go into detail...just show the ships and representatives are present.
Chiss Ascendancy is canon. Thrawn is in Rebels and there is mention of them. So that's a definite possibility.

I dunno about the Hapes Consortium. I don't think they're canon at the moment but am unsure about that. I think they are only in the "Legends" stuff, but I wouldn't mind seeing them become canon by way of something like this.

Like you said, no need to make a plot thread out of it, just some ships and maybe a cameo of some races tossed into crowd scenes.
 

Contrabardus

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You know, it occurred to me that there is an explanation for what we see in TLJ regarding Rei's parentage.

She's a clone. That's why when she went into the cave all she saw was a bunch of herself when she asked who her parents were. It was telling her, but she just didn't get it.

I mean, we know clones are a thing.

The question then becomes who is she a clone of exactly?
 

Ordo

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#9
http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-reys-parents-explained-rian-johnson/

“I can’t speak to what they’re going to do. And there’s always, in these movies, a question of ‘a certain point of view,’…But for me, in that moment, Kylo believes it’s the truth. I don’t think he’s purely playing chess. I think that’s what he saw when they touched fingers and that’s what he believes. And when he tells her that in that moment, she believes it.”

“I was thinking, what’s the most powerful answer to that question? Powerful meaning: what’s the hardest thing that Rey could hear? That’s what you’re after with challenging your characters,”

“The easiest thing for Rey and the audience to hear is, Oh yeah, you’re so-and-so’s daughter. That would be wish fulfillment and instantly hand her a place in this story on a silver platter…The hardest thing for her is to hear she’s not going to get that easy answer. Not only that, but Kylo is going to use the fact that you don’t get that answer to try and weaken you so you have to lean on him,”
In other news, I picked up 'The Art of The Last Jedi' and checked out the Canto Bight section. Rian Johnson's goal was to show a den of High Class scum and villainy to challenge Finn's morality and get him to consider saving more than just the people in front of him.

I think the sequence suffered (Though I enjoyed it for some reason) because they had issues conceptually and practically with making it work. It was originally very 'Bond-Like' with Finn and Rose stealing evening wear and meeting up with the Master Code Breaker who is trying steal valuable from some evil warlord. That's not a bad idea for an Adventure with Finn and Rose...but that's a little TOO much of it's own thing to really be worked smoothly into this film. They eventually cut that down to what we see and moved Rose's reveal (The fact she 'Cleans up nice') to the sequence where she's wearing an Imperial Uniform since those are tight (Their words not mine). Aside from story issues the Sequence had a lot of stuff done on location and they likely couldn't control the lighting like they wanted. Point of Fact the night scenes in Ach-to village where shot in a sound stage, where the street stuff in Canto was apparently done on those streets.

I see what Rian Johnson was trying to do but that section of the script needed a rework. Perhaps have Finn and Rose infiltrate an FO held world, betting on the fact the fleet is out stomping worlds to give them an opening to sneak in and steal the codes they need or something....I don't know I'll give it some more thought.
 

Ordo

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One of the things I am really enjoying about the Sequel trilogy is how Melee fights are handled. The prequels fell in love with long complicated duels...but these movies have kept things short, fast and brutal. Rey and Kylo's fight against the Praetorians did everything it needed to do, and made it clear that these guys were a serious threat but it didn't overstay it's welcome. Finn's fight with Phasma was similarly paced, a few blows traded, a moment where it looks like the hero is defeated only to rise and strike down his enemy.

Though I think Luke stole the show with his fights. Taking on Rey in the Rain with a stick and winning until she pulled a lightsaber...and even then I got the impression he stopped more to get her to calm down than anything else. Then his fight with Kylo...two quick exchanges...just enough to get his point across and it's done. Luke's mission is accomplished and Kylo realize he's been futily slashing at nothing....that one was damn near poetry.
 

Contrabardus

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#11
I've been having fun telling people that a major spoiler for the Last Jedi is that Leia is Kryptonian.

They never take it seriously, and it's priceless to see their reactions when I see them again after they've seen the movie.

I've done it three times so far and it's been worth it every time.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OvuON1O96Q[/video]
 

Ordo

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#12


....I swear if Phasma reveals that she's always loved Finn.....actually...Phasma as a Yandere....maybe...?
 

Antimatter

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I think the thing with Rey's parents was brilliant. They were special, important people to her, but that doesn't mean they were anyone of note to the rest of the galaxy. We already have a character that is decedent from greatness, hes the freaking villain. The dark side showed her the truth, from it's point of view. Who made Rey? She made herself, in the way it cares for.

Rey's the junkie thrown into the big leagues. She's the Every Man. She's Luke, in ANH before all the baggage was added. Even her flashback hints at this, they left her with a trader who never seemed to show a damn bit of care for her. This isn't Jen Erso left with a strong family friend. They trader her, possibly for passage off that hellhole. Maybe they intended to come back, maybe they didn't. The hope they woudl is what kept her going, but that's no longer needed. Now SHE is the hope the resistance, and heck, the galaxy needs.

This new alliance will not be lead and built by the figures of old, it will be built from the oppressed, the forgotten. Her new jedi? Much the same, if that little boy is indicative.

That this movie was willing to shrug off prequels like baggage, to hand off, quite firmly, to the new generation, and let old heroes go is wonderful. Does it hurt the hardcore? Sure, they wanted all their pet theories confirmed. Does that matter to 99% of the general audience for all things star wars? Hell to the no it doesn't. I fully expect the Falcon to eat it next movie as well.
 

MastaofBitches

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Ordo said:


....I swear if Phasma reveals that she's always loved Finn.....actually...Phasma as a Yandere....maybe...?
You know what? Sure, that could be pretty interesting.
 

Ordo

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I was thinking about the Canto Bight stuff and Poe's arch trying to work out how it could've been done to get the same message (or a similar one) across but be a little more interesting. Here's what I've got.

When the Resistance "Fleet" comes out of hyperspace they're at a refueling station sympathetic to their cause. Their ships doc and the local administrator welcomes them over comms. Once the ship are locked in the trap is sprung. First Order Troopers manage to storm the airlock of one of the smaller ships, but a Resistance member get's out a warning to the other ships giving them a fighting chance when said troops storm their vessal. The Local Administrator apologies to Leia saying that there's no way to win now and he has to look out for his people. This is about the same time that the FO fleet lead by the Supremacy shows up. Poe runs for his fighter, Finn runs down to help against the boarding action. Kylo shows up and blows the hanger, while Finn and the Resistance fighters are forced to vent a section of the ship to space to free it from the mooring lines of the station.

The Fleet breaks free, Leia is recovered and they Jump to hypersapce. While in a coma, Holdo takes over and makes it clear that they are low on fuel, and now have to consider the possibility that every "Safe Harbor" is compromised. They come out of Hyperspace in the middle of nowhere to plot their next move, which Holdo is unwilling to tell Poe...or anyone outside her circle of trust. Her reasoning is that she can't trust anyone else with the plan cause she has to consider that a mole could be aboard their fleet...so this is need to know.

Finn and Rose meet up in a similar situation as in the film, but this time, she was the mechanic Finn covered with a blaster, while she bypassed the safeties that allowed them to blow the mooring lines clear. So she's even more star stuck than before because she saw his heroism first hand....and now he's leaving. This time they work out that their best option is to steal an encrypted First Order Cipher machine from the Supremacy. The hastily thrown together plan is to board the ship, fake a work order to replace the Cipher machine, bug the new one with a device that will allow them to keep up with any changing security codes, and take the old device with them back to the Resistance. This way they can monitor all FO comms and hopefully navigate their way past their spreading fleet to safety...and if they're really lucky...find out which other allies might've been compromised before contacting them.

So this time the friction between Poe and Holdo is that he's gunho and he feels she's overly paranoid since he believes no one in the Resistance would betray them like that. Meanwhile she thinks he's naive and points out that a person might not even know they are aiding the FO, implying something may have been done to him during his interrogation to allow the FO to use him in such a fashion.

We switch out Canto Bight for a Jail break from a heavily corporate world. So you still have war profiteers selling to both sides, but now it's in an almost Shadowrun style world...with the elite on top and everyone else ground under heel. They manage to 'free' the master hacker (technically his plan to free himself was already in motion but Finn and Rose cleared some of the security he couldn't affect). They steal a ship as before but also manage to dump a LOT of corporate funds on the downtrodden. We still get DJ pointing out these guys are selling to both sides and that as good as it made Finn feel to stick it to the man by giving the poor a payday...it's not even going to register with the Corporations in the long term, and those people will likely suffer even MORE for touching that money.

So the Supremacy happens, with Finn's team being captured and DJ selling them out after Poe failed OPSEC. This time the fleet was found because Holdo was right...they did have a Mole. One of the Comm techs learned that his family was being held by the FO and if he wanted to see them again...he'd do what they said. So said Comm tech get's to see his family executed by Phasma. Then it's Finn's turn. We get the shuttles heading for Crait and Holdo and the traitor (who has nothing to live for) ramming the Supremacy. Finn's fight with Phasma is a little longer and Finn is far more furious...as not only did his plan fail...but he had to watch, helpless as children, were shot in front of him, by Phasma...again.

Rest of the film plays out as seen.

Thoughts?
 
#16
So, this is the first summary I've gotten of Episode 8. I haven't seen the thing myself because I absolutely loathed episode 7 and all the bullshit it had. Given the initial part of the summary covers Ep 7 in what I consider a pretty accurate light I can't help but think the Ep 8 summary portion is also equally accurate.
 

da_fox2279

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Contrabardus

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da_fox2279 said:
A petition to remove 'The Last Jedi' from SW canon now has over 13,000 signatures

Jesus Christ, and I thought the backlash against the Prequels was bad...
It's not nearly that bad.

There are a lot of people bitching about it, but honestly, it's no worse than the bitching around Return of the Jedi when it came out. It just seems worse because the internet is a thing that exists now.

I rank this movie at about the same spot honestly.

The general consensus on the movie pretty much agrees with me. The complaints are different, but not any worse. When it's bad, it's pretty bad, but when it's good it's really good, and the good outweighs the bad.

For the record, a lot of people hated RotJ a lot. Most people don't hate this movie, it is just a very vocal minority.

It is a better movie than Force Awakens by quite a large margin, even with the elements that don't work.
 

Ordo

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#20
Contrabardus said:
da_fox2279 said:
A petition to remove 'The Last Jedi' from SW canon now has over 13,000 signatures

Jesus Christ, and I thought the backlash against the Prequels was bad...
It's not nearly that bad.

There are a lot of people bitching about it, but honestly, it's no worse than the bitching around Return of the Jedi when it came out. It just seems worse because the internet is a thing that exists now.

I rank this movie at about the same spot honestly.

The general consensus on the movie pretty much agrees with me. The complaints are different, but not any worse. When it's bad, it's pretty bad, but when it's good it's really good, and the good outweighs the bad.

For the record, a lot of people hated RotJ a lot. Most people don't hate this movie, it is just a very vocal minority.

It is a better movie than Force Awakens by quite a large margin, even with the elements that don't work.
I must admit, I am curious to see what Rian Johnson creates without JJ's set up constraining him.
 

Ordo

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LORD_ARM said:
...Huh....that would've been an interesting way to end the film.

Something else I realized after seeing this movie for the third time. Rose mentions that she's busted 3 people trying to flee the Raddus. Since Finn was going to be her fourth and she was taking him to the Brigg, I am going to assume Admiral Holdo is aware that some people are trying to abandon the Resistance. I'm guessing this is why she didn't tell anyone what she was doing...she couldn't risk a would be deserter hearing her plan, running, being captured, and revealing everything to the First Order. I'm kind of mad at myself for not making the connection earlier...but it would've helped if Leia had mentioned that to Poe when she was explaining the details of their heroic plan.
 

Contrabardus

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Ordo said:
LORD_ARM said:
...Huh....that would've been an interesting way to end the film.

Something else I realized after seeing this movie for the third time. Rose mentions that she's busted 3 people trying to flee the Raddus. Since Finn was going to be her fourth and she was taking him to the Brigg, I am going to assume Admiral Holdo is aware that some people are trying to abandon the Resistance. I'm guessing this is why she didn't tell anyone what she was doing...she couldn't risk a would be deserter hearing her plan, running, being captured, and revealing everything to the First Order. I'm kind of mad at myself for not making the connection earlier...but it would've helped if Leia had mentioned that to Poe when she was explaining the details of their heroic plan.
Hux isn't that stupid. He's aware of Kylo's powers.

There was too good a chance that he would have escaped and come after him. Especially given how Kylo had taken to tossing him around at that point and made it clear that he wouldn't hesitate to get rid of him as soon as he became a problem.

He may even know that Kylo can stop blasts like that in the air cold. Even if he couldn't stop that many, he could likely slow them enough to make escaping easy.

Plus, he'd just watched Luke Skywalker walk out of that hail of fire unscathed and there's no reason why he would know about the whole astral projection thing.

He nearly shot him on the bridge, but it's very telling that he backed off immediately as soon as Kylo was awake.
 

Altered Nova

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#24
Finally saw the film. I fucking loved it, it was way better than Force Awakens.

I loved that Leia finally used the force. Her reunion with Luke was also extremely heartwarming. I'm surprised they didn't give her the heroic sacrifice role though. Maybe they've got enough unused footage to work a heroic sacrifice for her into the next film?

Luke is the best cranky old man. I find it hilarious how many people have complained about him not being a badass hero like the original trilogy. Apparently those people weren't paying attention to Yoda and Obi Wan - clearly becoming a weird old hermit is just what Jedi do. I love how he just tossed the lightsaber over his shoulder and off a cliff, and that he called it a "laser sword".

Snoke's premature death was one hell of an amazing plot twist, and so was the revelation that Rey's parents weren't anybody special. If the Force Awakens being too similar to A New Hope was Disney's way of saying "don't worry, this is still the same Star Wars you grew up with!" to the old fans, then the Last Jedi is their way of saying to the younger fans "This ain't your parent's Star Wars, kids! See this Palpatine wannabe? Fuck that guy, we've already told that story. Also forget the Skywalkers and the Jedi - the new heroes aren't elites descended from some old family or dynasty. This is going to be new and different kind of Star Wars!"

It's certainly worked for me. I have no idea what to expect from this franchise anymore, and that's got me more excited to see the next film than I've ever been about a Star Wars film before.

My only complaint about the film is Holdo destroying the Supremacy by ramming it at light speed. While it's true that this would be a viable strategy in hard science fiction since any ship moving near or at the speed of light would defacto become a weapon of mass destruction simply do to the incomprehensibly vast amount of energy that would be needed to attain such speeds, soft science fiction franchises like Star Wars have traditionally just quietly ignored the possibly of weaponizing relativistic speed because it would render virtually all other forms of weaponry obsolete. Who needs fleets of manned spacecraft when you can just use swarms of faster-than-light kamikaze drones to wipe out your enemies? Hell, who needs a Death Star when you could strap a hyperdrive to a big asteroid and slam it into a planet at light speed? That strategy would have the added benefit that it would be basically impossible to defend against since they literally couldn't even see the attack coming. Seriously, if hyperspace ramming is a legitimate strategy in Star Wars than we should have seen it happen long before now and it should have become the primary tactic used in all space warfare.
 
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Altered Nova said:
Luke is the best cranky old man. I find it hilarious how many people have complained about him not being a badass hero like the original trilogy. Apparently those people weren't paying attention to Yoda and Obi Wan - clearly becoming a weird old hermit is just what Jedi do. I love how he just tossed the lightsaber over his shoulder and off a cliff, and that he called it a "laser sword".
They're not complaining because Luke is a "cranky old man." They're complaining because the man who was able to turn the second most evil person in the galaxy back to the light side considered murdering his nephew because of the possibility that he would turn dark.

Altered Nova said:
My only complaint about the film is Holdo destroying the Supremacy by ramming it at light speed. While it's true that this would be a viable strategy in hard science fiction since any ship moving near or at the speed of light would defacto become a weapon of mass destruction simply do to the incomprehensibly vast amount of energy that would be needed to attain such speeds, soft science fiction franchises like Star Wars have traditionally just quietly ignored the possibly of weaponizing relativistic speed because it would render virtually all other forms of weaponry obsolete. Who needs fleets of manned spacecraft when you can just use swarms of faster-than-light kamikaze drones to wipe out your enemies? Hell, who needs a Death Star when you could strap a hyperdrive to a big asteroid and slam it into a planet at light speed? That strategy would have the added benefit that it would be basically impossible to defend against since they literally couldn't even see the attack coming. Seriously, if hyperspace ramming is a legitimate strategy in Star Wars than we should have seen it happen long before now and it should have become the primary tactic used in all space warfare.
I am getting increasingly perplexed by this argument...am I the only person in the universe who remembers that we previously saw a star destroyer shrug off being hyperdrived (inadvertently) head on by some escaping rebel ships? So following the in-universe logic, to be successful, such a tactic would require an object of adequate size and/or proper set up to ensure that the target is hit in the correct spot at the right angle. Plenty of constraints that can plausibly limit the viability of the maneuver.
 
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