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1. Skills Slots start with 2 and 1 slot opens every 10 levels right?
2. Extra skills aren't counted on the skill slots right?
3.Is Blacksmithing an extra skill?
4. Does Blunt weapon forging skill and lightmetal forging both require a skill slot?
5. Does the Weapon SKill Club exist? and if so can I make an extra skill baton for that like Katana?
6. Does Outside system skills still exist?
7. Can Woodcrafting and Forestry be used to make weapons?
8. Can I have my character be the one to try and heal Yuuki once he got out?
9. Skills loses levels whenever there not equip right?
Reposting this question here.
2. Extra skills aren't counted on the skill slots right?
3.Is Blacksmithing an extra skill?
4. Does Blunt weapon forging skill and lightmetal forging both require a skill slot?
5. Does the Weapon SKill Club exist? and if so can I make an extra skill baton for that like Katana?
6. Does Outside system skills still exist?
7. Can Woodcrafting and Forestry be used to make weapons?
8. Can I have my character be the one to try and heal Yuuki once he got out?
9. Skills loses levels whenever there not equip right?
Reposting this question here.
If the force between the box and the planet don't balance:
F=/=F
F=ma
V=V1+at
kE=1/2*mV^2
If the forces don't balance, either m(mass) is being created from nothing, violating conservation (E=mC^2), or the box is gaining a (acceleration) for free, which translates as kinetic energy, and violates conservation.
F=/=F
F=ma
V=V1+at
kE=1/2*mV^2
If the forces don't balance, either m(mass) is being created from nothing, violating conservation (E=mC^2), or the box is gaining a (acceleration) for free, which translates as kinetic energy, and violates conservation.
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) No
4) Sure
5) Go for it
6) "Outside System Skills" is just a way to describe that knowledge the Player has can be used inside the game; with the way magecraft systems work, it's even more true than canon.
7) Yeah, why not? Do it.
8) No, that role is reserved for Hexi; especially because it's a way to get ex-Players in trouble with the MA.
9) Nah, that's Catsy's thing, not mine. In FRO, there's no penalty whatsoever for having many skills; for this game, freedom to experiment is actually more important than game-balance.
...If you feel ready, don't hesitate to start your own threads.
2) Yes
3) No
4) Sure
5) Go for it
6) "Outside System Skills" is just a way to describe that knowledge the Player has can be used inside the game; with the way magecraft systems work, it's even more true than canon.
7) Yeah, why not? Do it.
8) No, that role is reserved for Hexi; especially because it's a way to get ex-Players in trouble with the MA.
9) Nah, that's Catsy's thing, not mine. In FRO, there's no penalty whatsoever for having many skills; for this game, freedom to experiment is actually more important than game-balance.
...If you feel ready, don't hesitate to start your own threads.
You're mixing up the Clocktower and the Association. The Clocktower considers themselves the headquarters of the Association, but only one named organization is noted to work closely with it. I mean fuck, Atlas, one of the three major branches of the whole thing is in Egypt, and they don't give much of a fuck about the Clocktower. Nor do most magi I would think. The Clocktower is full of political animals, most notably the Lords. Magi in general do their own thing and use the organization as a means to communicate and centralize resources necessary for their research. Which is the whole purpose of the thing in the first place. It's not some controlling organization, it's a bunch of researchers researching.
I'm not talking about just individuals, but the age of the families themselves. The Tohsaka are considered young upstarts with their 200 year history. These are people whose history is forcing their heirs into a very specific way of thinking that is completely separate from things like religious belief too. They're not a bunch of people who grew up god fearers. Like, at any point. They were already heretics to the religions, especially to the Christian Church.
Frankly, I just find the idea that these Magi would give a fuck about any form of religion or view the attempt to gain access to the Spiral of Origin as a commune with the divine ridiculous. Maybe your hedge mage in a backwater sure, but not the people who view performing horrific experiments as basically expected.
I'm not talking about just individuals, but the age of the families themselves. The Tohsaka are considered young upstarts with their 200 year history. These are people whose history is forcing their heirs into a very specific way of thinking that is completely separate from things like religious belief too. They're not a bunch of people who grew up god fearers. Like, at any point. They were already heretics to the religions, especially to the Christian Church.
Frankly, I just find the idea that these Magi would give a fuck about any form of religion or view the attempt to gain access to the Spiral of Origin as a commune with the divine ridiculous. Maybe your hedge mage in a backwater sure, but not the people who view performing horrific experiments as basically expected.
I'm really not.
Also... certainly, magi tend to be far removed from the common sense of the cultures within which they reside - hence their dubious reputations even in mainstream or positive records of their activities - but it's absurd to think that they could be utterly separated in the way you describe. A family philosophy two thousand years old is still a stripling compared to the kind of human theories about the nature of the universe banging around today. A magus is unlikely to be devout (though I've met enough religious students of particle physicists to know that "knowing how it works" is no obstacle to faith), but they're likely enough to observe the customs of their land, especially if their family is young or weak enough that they live among normal people much of the time, since not everyone can afford to barricade the child in a library until they've reached the other side of puberty. And even among those that don't, actual real-life magical theory is - where it's not a misunderstood scientific process like early medicine or chemistry - tightly tied to religion (if not contemporary religion), in some places indistinguishable. You can claim that there's no traces of religious thought in a group that calls on spirits, maintains a strict philosophy distinct from lesser people, and goes through rituals to reach an unreachable ideal, but it'll be a hard sell.
...how did we get here? Right, magi not looking forward at the future, only at the past. Well, yeah. Kiritsugu's use of a pistol was essentially heretical to a traditionalist like Kayneth. Maybe he would have reacted better to a flintlock? I kind of doubt it. I suppose to someone so dedicated to magecraft, which reaches backward, incorporating modern technology into magic use would be like... a modern rational surgeon seeing a rival measuring someone's lifeline, or dangling crystal quartz in the operating room for good vibes. The analogy sort of breaks down in that modern technology can actually provide clear and potent benefits, especially to those magi without a spare castle's worth of magical goodies to back them up, but the visceral reaction would likely be similar.
Also... certainly, magi tend to be far removed from the common sense of the cultures within which they reside - hence their dubious reputations even in mainstream or positive records of their activities - but it's absurd to think that they could be utterly separated in the way you describe. A family philosophy two thousand years old is still a stripling compared to the kind of human theories about the nature of the universe banging around today. A magus is unlikely to be devout (though I've met enough religious students of particle physicists to know that "knowing how it works" is no obstacle to faith), but they're likely enough to observe the customs of their land, especially if their family is young or weak enough that they live among normal people much of the time, since not everyone can afford to barricade the child in a library until they've reached the other side of puberty. And even among those that don't, actual real-life magical theory is - where it's not a misunderstood scientific process like early medicine or chemistry - tightly tied to religion (if not contemporary religion), in some places indistinguishable. You can claim that there's no traces of religious thought in a group that calls on spirits, maintains a strict philosophy distinct from lesser people, and goes through rituals to reach an unreachable ideal, but it'll be a hard sell.
...how did we get here? Right, magi not looking forward at the future, only at the past. Well, yeah. Kiritsugu's use of a pistol was essentially heretical to a traditionalist like Kayneth. Maybe he would have reacted better to a flintlock? I kind of doubt it. I suppose to someone so dedicated to magecraft, which reaches backward, incorporating modern technology into magic use would be like... a modern rational surgeon seeing a rival measuring someone's lifeline, or dangling crystal quartz in the operating room for good vibes. The analogy sort of breaks down in that modern technology can actually provide clear and potent benefits, especially to those magi without a spare castle's worth of magical goodies to back them up, but the visceral reaction would likely be similar.
And we know that magi are not that disconnected. They even go to school with regular people.
Oh, and the Tohsakas for example are Christian, that's the whole reason the Church was backing them during the 4th HGW.
Also, there is disconnection and then there is magical disconnection that makes you adopt terminology from the other side of the planet belonging to a culture you happen to despise.
And this in no way addresses why it's somehow not okay for the Mage's Association to use their own cultural terminology while it's totally okay for East-styled magi like Araya to use their own, including direct cites to texts as pointed out by Mokofooja.
So yea, Nasu knew very little of western mysticism and magic, so he fluffed it vaguely and wrote about what he actually knew about. And that's totally okay, I would certainly do the same in his place. Nevertheless, there is no use on pretending otherwise.
Oh, and the Tohsakas for example are Christian, that's the whole reason the Church was backing them during the 4th HGW.
Also, there is disconnection and then there is magical disconnection that makes you adopt terminology from the other side of the planet belonging to a culture you happen to despise.
And this in no way addresses why it's somehow not okay for the Mage's Association to use their own cultural terminology while it's totally okay for East-styled magi like Araya to use their own, including direct cites to texts as pointed out by Mokofooja.
So yea, Nasu knew very little of western mysticism and magic, so he fluffed it vaguely and wrote about what he actually knew about. And that's totally okay, I would certainly do the same in his place. Nevertheless, there is no use on pretending otherwise.
Strictly speaking, we know that the Tohsaka ancestry had some Christians in it and the Tohsaka have close ties to the Church. That doesn't mean that the current Tohsaka are Christian and it doesn't really have anything to do with why the Church backed the Tohsaka. Quite simply, the Church backed Tokiomi because they knew what he would wish for and they decided that it was a better option than letting some other magi who's intentions they didn't know get ahold of the Grail.
More to the point, they were Hidden Christians, you know, those who hid themselves because if they were discovered in Japan they would be executed. And as you yourself said their bond with the Church remains...
Yea, chances are they are still Christian. I doubt they would be tolerated otherwise.
As for what you say about their support in the HGW, one thing follows the other. If they had not been hidden Christians, dedicated to the point of risking execution, they wouldn't have the close links to the Church that allowed them to know what Tokiomi was going to ask for in the first place.
Also, I should point out that that is an awful lot of trust to give to a heathen Magi... the Grail is a very powerful thing and handing it over a guy that's technically your enemy it's kind of a big no no in their books.
Again, still Christian with all probability.
Yea, chances are they are still Christian. I doubt they would be tolerated otherwise.
As for what you say about their support in the HGW, one thing follows the other. If they had not been hidden Christians, dedicated to the point of risking execution, they wouldn't have the close links to the Church that allowed them to know what Tokiomi was going to ask for in the first place.
Also, I should point out that that is an awful lot of trust to give to a heathen Magi... the Grail is a very powerful thing and handing it over a guy that's technically your enemy it's kind of a big no no in their books.
Again, still Christian with all probability.
So the Spiral of the Origin is Ymir? I would have thought that the metaphor was best served with Yggdrasil, making the Root of the World the Root of the World Tree were wisdom resides.
Nevertheless I'm sure stances on the Origin are hardly homogeneous in the Association. Some will prefer to see the Root as Ymir (which is the stuff from which the world is made) , others to Poimandres (the hermetic name for the Mind of God) or the Ein Sof (The Endless of the Jewish kabbalah).
Nevertheless I'm sure stances on the Origin are hardly homogeneous in the Association. Some will prefer to see the Root as Ymir (which is the stuff from which the world is made) , others to Poimandres (the hermetic name for the Mind of God) or the Ein Sof (The Endless of the Jewish kabbalah).
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So right now, about the last 15 ffnet Reviews are all by Olivebirdy, tracking typos and hard-to-parse sentences.
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This is an ugly workflow. It's just... a hassle.
But internally, on my own computer, I've basically got my file structure where I want it be. There is some serious ugliness in the way early chapter drafts are archived, but the actual published files are all in one file, with a standardized naming convention for everything. It's clean.
At this point, I'm seriously thinking about sharing that "Published Files" folder via Dropbox, or SugarSynch, or Google Drive, or whatever. I would send a share invite to readers, and then using the Comment and Track Changes features in Libreoffice, we can do this more cleanly. No messing around between different windows, all this cleanup can be done neatly from one place. I'd still have to upload the bloody things to ffnet, but this other way might be easier.
Obviously, people would have to have the file sharing client installed, as well as Libreoffice. (Since Microsoft Word actively sabotages ODF files, just stick to the freeware please!) If people don't know how to use the features I'm talking about, I can put together a "User's Guide" that walks through them for you.
Would any of you be interested in doing this?
Document Control
So right now, about the last 15 ffnet Reviews are all by Olivebirdy, tracking typos and hard-to-parse sentences.
Between this thread, the Ideas thread, the Preview thread, and the ffnet post, there are a total of four different places that I have to go to track typos. I have to have any of those open, while in another application, I've got to open the Libreoffice file, search down to wherever the comment is referring to, and do the fix.
Meanwhile, holding the other end of the racing baton, while reading the file, these people are probably opening a text editor (whether it's notepad or whatever) and copy-pasting problematic text into there, and then formatting to call attention to the fix, and adding their comment. And in order to copypaste from ffnet, they have to be using a workaround (either browsing the mobile version, or have some scripts installed in their browser).
This is an ugly workflow. It's just... a hassle.
But internally, on my own computer, I've basically got my file structure where I want it be. There is some serious ugliness in the way early chapter drafts are archived, but the actual published files are all in one file, with a standardized naming convention for everything. It's clean.
At this point, I'm seriously thinking about sharing that "Published Files" folder via Dropbox, or SugarSynch, or Google Drive, or whatever. I would send a share invite to readers, and then using the Comment and Track Changes features in Libreoffice, we can do this more cleanly. No messing around between different windows, all this cleanup can be done neatly from one place. I'd still have to upload the bloody things to ffnet, but this other way might be easier.
Obviously, people would have to have the file sharing client installed, as well as Libreoffice. (Since Microsoft Word actively sabotages ODF files, just stick to the freeware please!) If people don't know how to use the features I'm talking about, I can put together a "User's Guide" that walks through them for you.
Would any of you be interested in doing this?
I believe this thread is for ideas that might be implemented. The Ideas thread is for ideas and spoilers.
Kibaou's [Phoenix Swords] are very inefficient and somewhat dangerous. I mean, blowing up your own swords? I hope he has many spares.
Leviathan's Blood Magic could be very useful for exact magics. See, with prana, you have to force it into specific shapes, forms. With blood, the prana is easily infused, and the blood is a tangible object, much easier to work with than pure prana. So, he's be good for rituals, boundary magic, etching, enchantment.
Blood is also commonly used for connections to people, like for use with tracking, puppeting, mana-sharing. Conceptual stuff like gaining magic from those you kill, blood ties, binding. Blood is symbolic of [Life], so he might be able to do tricks with the HP Bars, healing or harming with a sample of [Blood].
Kibaou's [Phoenix Swords] are very inefficient and somewhat dangerous. I mean, blowing up your own swords? I hope he has many spares.
Leviathan's Blood Magic could be very useful for exact magics. See, with prana, you have to force it into specific shapes, forms. With blood, the prana is easily infused, and the blood is a tangible object, much easier to work with than pure prana. So, he's be good for rituals, boundary magic, etching, enchantment.
Blood is also commonly used for connections to people, like for use with tracking, puppeting, mana-sharing. Conceptual stuff like gaining magic from those you kill, blood ties, binding. Blood is symbolic of [Life], so he might be able to do tricks with the HP Bars, healing or harming with a sample of [Blood].
So, as the enemies get tougher, so will the curses?
Another thing: That thing, where Shirou is teaching Argo to create a Magic Circuit? That shouldn't work. According to Rin, the only way for Shirou to have done magic, is to already have Magic Circuits. Shirou thought he was creating a Magic Circuit, but really, he was just initializing them. With no circuits, Argo should not even be able to circulate Od.
Or was Rin wrong?
Another thing: That thing, where Shirou is teaching Argo to create a Magic Circuit? That shouldn't work. According to Rin, the only way for Shirou to have done magic, is to already have Magic Circuits. Shirou thought he was creating a Magic Circuit, but really, he was just initializing them. With no circuits, Argo should not even be able to circulate Od.
Or was Rin wrong?
If it's curses, then:
1) Shirou was inexperienced at breaking them, so he might have unnecessarily hurt himself.
2) Yeah they're not really as hard to beat as they theoretically could be. (Caster could lay curses that Shirou had no idea how to break in the first place, let alone failing to do so).
As for Fake Circuits, Rin was wrong. Archer explained how in UBW: Rin assumed that Shirou was creating a switch each time, rather than creating a full-blown fake circuit each time.
1) Shirou was inexperienced at breaking them, so he might have unnecessarily hurt himself.
2) Yeah they're not really as hard to beat as they theoretically could be. (Caster could lay curses that Shirou had no idea how to break in the first place, let alone failing to do so).
As for Fake Circuits, Rin was wrong. Archer explained how in UBW: Rin assumed that Shirou was creating a switch each time, rather than creating a full-blown fake circuit each time.
Rin has a lot of technical knowledge, but she make a lot of assumptions on someone whose so far on the other end of the spectrum to average magecraft and mindset.
Caster could create spells that he couldn't break at all under his own power when she lured him to her temple. Something about being akin to a solid block and washing it away?
Caster could create spells that he couldn't break at all under his own power when she lured him to her temple. Something about being akin to a solid block and washing it away?