Sirian said:
I'm not saying they can't kill them, I'm saying that the command seals or whatever is influencing them to view their masters and their goals in a favorable way. Making the servants positively aligned to the master in question.
Not so. Mind you, originally the Greater Grail was made so as not to allow "villainous" eirei like Medea or Medusa to be summoned, but after Angra Mainyu/Avenger in the Third Grail War, the system was corrupted.
So it's possible to summon a very evil Servant who wants nothing more than to kill everyone in the world, starting with their Master.
I agree with the source of prana bit. It is probably a rather big piece of motivation,? Magic circuits don't not grow on trees after all. But the servants can exist whitout prana as far as I understand.
Let's see that means that out of a batch of seven servants 3 supply prana on their own. Caster, Rider and Archer (he can probably create something that generates it). As far as I can see they then stay out of goodness of their hearts.
Any Servant can feed on the souls of humans for prana. Few actually want to. Saber pretty much said that she'd only do so if Command Sealed into doing it, and she'd hate Shirou for making her do so.
Caster did find her own method. It was that 'vampiric' method, although it was a widespread life-force drain and thus didn't cause many (any?) fatalities.
Rider used Blood Fort Andromeda on Shinji's orders, but didn't like doing so, and wouldn't be able to do it twice without severely harming the local leylines.
Archer (EMIYA) is of a very prana-conservative class already, and didn't do much aside from reconnassance for quite awhile. Furthermore, his Master was Rin, who is extremely talented and powerful as a magus - he had no shortage of prana.
Read up on the Fuyuki Wiki. Many details are made clearer.
Furthermore, it is Archer's main goal to kill Shirou and thus, hopefully (on Archer's part), prevent his own circumstances from ever occurring.
In the Fate scenario, he dies before he can regain enough of his memories to try.
He seems to remember Illyasviell pretty well you know.
She's an odd case, what with being a homonculus based on the person (also a homonculus) who became the Greater Grail itself and whatnot.
That he does, and saves Shirou's life in the end if i remember correctly.
You missed the point, then.
He was well and truly determined to kill Shirou, but Shirou's determined idealism reminded him of what his ideals used to be and
why. This brought about a change of heart, which was
why Archer didn't kill Shirou.
Archer didn't try to change Shirou's mind. It was Shirou who changed Archer's mind.
In Heaven's Feel, Shirou's goals are too different from the ones that created Archer, so killing him wouldn't achieve Archer's goals.
Yes I completely agree, Archer feels that Shirou's goals are different so he don't try to kill him.
No, you missed my point again.
Archer is basically trying to commit suicide. Thanks to the Throne of Heroes, though, that's virtually impossible. The only way for him to (theoretically) succeed is if he kills the Shirou that eventually became the "Hero of Justice" EMIYA.
When Shirou sacrificed his ideals for Sakura's sake in HF, that means that Shirou was so different from the one that became EMIYA!Archer that killing him would not have the desired effect, since such a changed Shirou wouldn't have proceeded along the path of choices that led to him becoming an eirei.
I'm not arguing about Archer killing Shirou, in the scenario I proposed he can do that anytime he wants. What I'm doubting is that he will kill Shirou immediately, without trying to influence him first.
If he did try to influence Shirou, he'd be endangering his chances of fulfilling his own goals. He'd only do that with a malfunctioning memory.
Also I suppose that the grail might be a motivator as well. It might in fact be a rather good idea for Archer to go for the grail. If they succeed then he gets a wish and can litterally change Shirou's mind, and if Shirou dies during the war then thats less blood on his hands. After all it is usually the masters that die first.
Again, changing Shirou's mind would be contrary to his own goals.
On the other hand, making it possible to "save one without sacrificing another" is possible as a Grail wish, I think. If that can be done, then the circumstances leading to Archer's becoming the tragic hero he is would be thwarted, and he just might succeed at his goals through that wish. He might actually work with Shirou if that was the case.
I know how you feel FO.