Ranma ½ Mahora Madness

#26
Perhaps my view is wrong, but when I read the words "I've studied it to waste time for a whole century" (as Eva says) the part that seems most important to me is the 'to waste time' clause. It says to me that she only studies this when she's bored, or when she's got nothing more important to study.

But, again, that's only my view from this scan ,,, I have no idea what Eva actually said in the raw Japanese.

Ero-Sennin: This, again, is also my view, but your posts regarding Ranma in this thread come across as extremely butt-hurt. They read as if the idea that Ranma has fans takes a red hot coal and shoves it deep up your intestine, so deep that when you fart, you release burning smoke.
 

The Ero-Sennin

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#27
Nah, I'm annoyed that hacks like Zorch and Gemma always resort to Max-Wank!Super Competent!Ranma to the point that they may as well not even be Ranma, just the author's SI with Ranma's moveset and the ability to turn into a girl. Or they turn Ranma into a complete and utter victim of everyone around him who rightfully deserves revenge against everyone by fucking off and banging every girl not Akane on the planet.

I literally take flack or praise from people for having the gall to have Ranma lose a fight in my stories. For having Ranma fucking LOSE a fight. Something he always does in canon. Do you understand where I'm coming from here? Do you not understand why I rail against Boring Invincible Fucking Ranma who is super good and perfect at everything he does?
 
#28
Maybe it bothers me less than it should. It certainly bothers me less than it seems to bother you. But I only made the observation based on what I read *here*, this very thread. Though, I will agree: boring characters make for bad stories.

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The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#29
I get that some people like the whole power trip Mary Sue bullshit. However, when it's so prevalent that the idea of Ranma being less than perfect is considered refreshing, then I'm not the one with the problem.
 
#30
Look at what we have here. I was busy in the real world and came back here expecting to see some responses and yet all I see is weird asinine responses.
Giving Ranma sole martial art style that he trained nearly all of his life to Evangeline in a crossover?Are you gonna give Evangeline Kenshiro Assassination style in a FOTN crossover?If you don't see how stupidly unfair that is I've nothing to comment.

Anonguy-Question.Are you telling me you never seen a manga where the protagonist,often from a hidden martial art school, come back home from his mountain/traveling and show off by beating up nearly every opponent he encountered in the first arc,sometimes beating an weakened old master as backstory as well?In the process of trying to make a good story you dismiss Ranma Background (15 years of training+Ranma 1/2 Volume 1-38 and 2 extra years of adventure) and shoehorn him in to the same role an inexperience new magical school graduate...except instead of winning he has to lose...so perhaps even worse.

"Thing is, though, if Eva is a practitioner of Anything Goes then she'll be better than Ranma. And a crossover where someone is better than SpaceBattlesCompetent!AlphaDog!Ranma is no good and not allowed because the author can't beat off to that."

Using your logic she is a mage with over 700 years of experience and therefore should destroyed everyone in a fight, and yet negi (10 years old) was able to upgrade a spell that she cannot and his father at around the 20s was able to defeated her solidly and many mages (20-50) on the cusp of her power.If UQ holder is anything to go by then around 5-10 of them has reached her power.

You've not proven that Ranma can't touch Colonge who you compared to Evangeline.

You've not proven that Evangeline actually give the time and effort to learn martial arts or that she's even more talented in martial arts as Ranma

You've not proven that forcing Ranma to lose to her have any bearing over the whole course of the story. At that point and time she's one of the weakest fighter in the series.
Full Power
Evangeline is around 300,000-3,000,000+ miles per hour in speed. A little girl body is around 5-10 miles per hour in speed.

Evangeline at her full power allow her to freeze nearly an entire mountain into Absolute ZERO,the version Ranma fought you're whining about doesn't use magic.

You really think that Ranma being able to beat little girl with no power version of truly matters?

Actually your exaggerated whining about Ranma being super-competent and powerful is also properly a giant lie. I been reading Ranma fanfiction for over 5 years and most of the fanfiction I've seen are based on dumb anime version of Ranma.

(remember you bring up spacebattles)
Secondly,your giant whining on how Ranma(end of series) shouldn't be able to barely beat (beginning of the series)Mikoto in Toaru that lasted several pages(5+) wouldn't have been allowed if the people in Spacebattles didn't favor you.(You didn't just oust Ranma for winning but even push him for NEVER reaching her level and that the fanfiction should never be made) It's pretty obvious you have an absolute hatred of Ranma.

I'm done with you.I will not respond to you ever again,unless you show that you've courtesy in your writing.
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#31
The reason people stopped posting in this thread is because no one wants to talk about a shitty story, or argue with a dude who necros a thread to bitch.
 
#32
A deadboard with over half of the responses on the update thread complaining about the recent story being no good compare to the past. Forgive me for not caring so much about that.

Ero-Sennin- You're a coward. I saw your responses there and here. You run every time. You repeat the same thing over and over and over.

Look up 'A certain Arrogant Horse' responses in Spacebattles to notice Ero-Sennin destroyed in an entire story by whining about Ranma power level too high and is unfair to Toaru.


I'm only posting this because I'm sure you don't read long messages because you don't like going through anything.
 
#33
ShinLance said:
Look at what we have here. I was busy in the real world and came back here expecting to see some responses and yet all I see is weird asinine responses.
Giving Ranma sole martial art style that he trained nearly all of his life to Evangeline in a crossover?Are you gonna give Evangeline  Kenshiro Assassination style in a FOTN crossover?If you don't see how stupidly unfair that is I've nothing to comment.

Anonguy-Question.Are you telling me you never seen a manga where the protagonist,often from a hidden martial art school, come back home from his mountain/traveling and show off by beating up nearly every opponent he encountered in the first arc,sometimes beating an weakened old master as backstory as well?

"Thing is, though, if Eva is a practitioner of Anything Goes then she'll be better than Ranma. And a crossover where someone is better than SpaceBattlesCompetent!AlphaDog!Ranma is no good and not allowed because the author can't beat off to that."

Using your logic she is a mage with over 700 years of experience and therefore should destroyed everyone in a fight, and yet negi (10 years old) was able to upgrade a spell that she cannot and his father at around the 20s was able to defeated her solidly and many mages (20-50) on the cusp of her power. If UQ holder is anything to go by then around 5-10 of them has reached her power.

You've not proven that Ranma can't touch Colonge who you compared to Evangeline.

You've not proven that Evangeline actually give the time and effort to learn martial arts or that she's even more talented in martial arts as Ranma

You've not proven that forcing Ranma to lose to her have any bearing over the whole course of the story. At that point and time she's one of the weakest fighter in the series.
Full Power
Evangeline is around 300,000-3,000,000+ miles per hour in speed. A little girl body is around 5-10 miles per hour in speed.

Evangeline at her full power allow her to freeze nearly an entire mountain into Absolute ZERO,the version Ranma fought you're whining about doesn't use magic.

You really think that Ranma being able to beat little girl with no power version of truly matters?

Actually your exaggerated whining about Ranma being super-competent and powerful is also properly a giant lie. I been reading Ranma fanfiction for over 5 years and most of the fanfiction I've seen are based on dumb anime version of Ranma.

(remember you bring up spacebattles)
Secondly,your giant whining on how Ranma(end of series) shouldn't be  able to barely beat Mikoto in Toaru that lasted several pages(5+) wouldn't have been allowed if the people in Spacebattles didn't favor you.(You didn't just oust Ranma for winning but even push him for NEVER reaching her level and that the fanfiction should never be made) It's pretty obvious you have an absolute hatred of Ranma.

I'm done with you.I will not respond to you ever again,unless you show that you've courtesy in your writing.
Number one, you should follow the logic behind why the jokingly giving Eva knowledge of Musubetsu if you read the comments before posting. It's stupid but it isn't illogical.

Number two: That usually happens as some sort of gag or to show off some new type of move that all the characters then learn which resets the status quo. This is almost always seen as a bad thing and a sign of lazy writing if it isn't used for comedy or a oneshot style story. See Bleach for examples of how this is stupid.

Number three: Eva had no need to improve the spell because the Side Effect didn't really hinder her significantly to bother. The fact that others are on her level isn't something negative about her, it's simply the limit of her growth. She's reached the point where any improvements she makes are not able to grant a decisive advantage. Nagi (and Rakan for that mater) where absolute monsters of powerhouses, the latter could shoot you with swords the size of skyscrapers and could break seemingly invincible spells by flexing really hard.

Number Four: it's shown in the manga itself that a depowered Eva is still capable of casually stomping Setsuna despite her own physical limitations, Setsuna herself at that point probably would not be something Ranma at the beginning of the manga could fight so easily.
 
#34
Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
ShinLance said:
Look at what we have here. I was busy in the real world and came back here expecting to see some responses and yet all I see is weird asinine responses.
Giving Ranma sole martial art style that he trained nearly all of his life to Evangeline in a crossover?Are you gonna give Evangeline  Kenshiro Assassination style in a FOTN crossover?If you don't see how stupidly unfair that is I've nothing to comment.

Anonguy-Question.Are you telling me you never seen a manga where the protagonist,often from a hidden martial art school, come back home from his mountain/traveling and show off by beating up nearly every opponent he encountered in the first arc,sometimes beating an weakened old master as backstory as well?

"Thing is, though, if Eva is a practitioner of Anything Goes then she'll be better than Ranma. And a crossover where someone is better than SpaceBattlesCompetent!AlphaDog!Ranma is no good and not allowed because the author can't beat off to that."

Using your logic she is a mage with over 700 years of experience and therefore should destroyed everyone in a fight, and yet negi (10 years old) was able to upgrade a spell that she cannot and his father at around the 20s was able to defeated her solidly and many mages (20-50) on the cusp of her power. If UQ holder is anything to go by then around 5-10 of them has reached her power.

You've not proven that Ranma can't touch Colonge who you compared to Evangeline.

You've not proven that Evangeline actually give the time and effort to learn martial arts or that she's even more talented in martial arts as Ranma

You've not proven that forcing Ranma to lose to her have any bearing over the whole course of the story. At that point and time she's one of the weakest fighter in the series.
Full Power
Evangeline is around 300,000-3,000,000+ miles per hour in speed. A little girl body is around 5-10 miles per hour in speed.

Evangeline at her full power allow her to freeze nearly an entire mountain into Absolute ZERO,the version Ranma fought you're whining about doesn't use magic.

You really think that Ranma being able to beat little girl with no power version of truly matters?

Actually your exaggerated whining about Ranma being super-competent and powerful is also properly a giant lie. I been reading Ranma fanfiction for over 5 years and most of the fanfiction I've seen are based on dumb anime version of Ranma.

(remember you bring up spacebattles)
Secondly,your giant whining on how Ranma(end of series) shouldn't be  able to barely beat Mikoto in Toaru that lasted several pages(5+) wouldn't have been allowed if the people in Spacebattles didn't favor you.(You didn't just oust Ranma for winning but even push him for NEVER reaching her level and that the fanfiction should never be made) It's pretty obvious you have an absolute hatred of Ranma.

I'm done with you.I will not respond to you ever again,unless you show that you've courtesy in your writing.
Number one, you should follow the logic behind why the jokingly giving Eva knowledge of Musubetsu if you read the comments before posting. It's stupid but it isn't illogical.

Number two: That usually happens as some sort of gag or to show off some new type of move that all the characters then learn which resets the status quo. This is almost always seen as a bad thing and a sign of lazy writing if it isn't used for comedy or a oneshot style story. See Bleach for examples of how this is stupid.

Number three: Eva had no need to improve the spell because the Side Effect didn't really hinder her significantly to bother. The fact that others are on her level isn't something negative about her, it's simply the limit of her growth. She's reached the point where any improvements she makes are not able to grant a decisive advantage. Nagi (and Rakan for that mater) where absolute monsters of powerhouses, the latter could shoot you with swords the size of skyscrapers and could break seemingly invincible spells by flexing really hard.

Number Four: it's shown in the manga itself that a depowered Eva is still capable of casually stomping Setsuna despite her own physical limitations, Setsuna herself at that point probably would not be something Ranma at the beginning of the manga could fight so easily.
1-First the style she was using is Aikido,second giving the very style Ranma is using is funny in comedic crossover but in a more serious setting just to let her own Ranma is outright unfair.

3.Perfect,if you read Ero-Sennin response you would think it would take Ranma a hundred years to reach the level Colongne/Eva level skill because Evangeline has a hundred years advantage in dabbling anything goes. Apparently her dabbling >> Ranma serious training.

4.Did you read my response and the facts of series?
Setsuna is really fast with her wings. (1/2 supersonic)
Setsuna in her fight with Evangeline didn't use her wings until the very end which immediately in the fight in her favor(unknown speed)
We're told that Evangeline have an average 10 year old girl body.
The question is how fast Setsuna is without her wings.
What is more likely?Setsuna was really slow to react without her wings and due to facing a mental crisis?
Evangeline with an average little girl body is able to react against someone move half of supersonic speed?
Do you seriously think Setsuna=Ranma in skill at the beginning of the series in spite of Ranma training for 15 years while traveling the world?

I'm starting to wonder about this place.
Is Ranma the main character or is he a side character?
 
#35
You do know that Eva's whole motive during the fight with Setsuna was simply to teach her a lesson about following through right? As in she didn't really have much investment in winning and likely lost the match on purpose or held back significantly during it similar to Takahata's fight against Negi. This is rather obvious as she didn't just immediately toss Setsuna out of the ring with her wires or just obliterated her when they were in her resort or dodged the girls follow up. All of which she was capable of doing. Eva "killed time" for a century by studying a school of fighting that completely negates physical power advantages. Eva of course had almost nothing but free time and spent an unspecified amount of it in a location that compresses time to 2400%. She also knows full well, and once stated as such, that in the upper end of the Akamatsuverse powerscale having melee ability is all but required and the line between a Caster and a Warrior mage almost vanishes.
 
#36
Yes,yes,yes...but what does any of them have anything to do with Setsuna at her full power(the one that is comparable to early Ranma)?
You continue ignoring that Setsuna was in distress,that Eva herself commented that she would've lost against pre-distress Setsuna easily,that Setsuna was underestimating Eva because she didn't think Eva is a master martial artist ,and definitely ignoring that she ended the fight in a single moment after overcoming her fear and using her wings?
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#37
ShinLance said:
Look up 'A certain Arrogant Horse' responses in Spacebattles to notice Ero-Sennin destroyed in an entire story by whining about Ranma power level too high and is unfair to Toaru.
I'm flattered that you have either dug up that old receipt on me or you've held a grudge for... what... four years? Believe me, I am flattered, and I do read the things people say about me.

Wait a tad. Lancealot, is that you?!
 
#38
4 years?Don't flatter yourself. You were just an ignorant Anime-only or Ranma hating fanfiction writer in my head at the time,you were only part of the nail that prove to me that the people who're knowledgeable in Ranma ability have lost since past, or at least they don't give a damn anymore.You're fitting the same role for this place as well...that's all
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#39
It's only fic. Y do u heff to be mad?
 

Deathwings

Well-Known Member
#40
Oh for fuck sake, could you please take this to PMs ?
 
#41
Yeah,using pm against a person that I accuse of constantly deterring and ignoring messages is gonna ever be so successful. It's like half of you guys don't even read.

I'm pretty much done of this place anyways.

I'm sorry for the disturbance I cost and I'll be leaving.
 
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