Mass Effect: Legacy

Lord Raine

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#1
I was going to keep this one under my hat until I was ready to post it as a story, but I've got other things on my plate that I'm doing at the moment, so I figured I would post the idea here and get feedback on it while I wait for IRL to stop punching me in the crotch.

The story itself starts in Mass Effect, when the Normandy comes across a large derilict spacecraft drifing through space. They go onboard to investiage, and find nothing of interest, beyond the fact that the ghost ship has no remains of any crew, and was clearly attacked by another ship at some point. As they are leaving with what little they could salvage, Shepard is compelled to turn around and take one last look in a dark corner. In that corner, he finds a strange, intricate lattice crystal cube. Upon taking it onboard, the Normandy's extranet connection is breached, and the cube manifests a holographic projection of a masked individual wearing heavy robes that introduces itself as The Watcher.

When questioned, it claims to have used advanced system protocols to analyze the language and vernacular present in the extranet, allowing it to translate it's speech into English. It states that it is neither an AI nor a VI, and that the closest analogy would be a 'CI,' or copied intelligence.

The background behind this is as follows.

Star Wars is the distant, ancient past of Mass Effect. The Star Wars universe 'ended' when the ressurrected Sith Empire used Sith Alchemy and Darkside Sorcery to create a new form of <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mechu-deru_vitae' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Mechu-deru vitae</a>, with the intent of creating a new Darkside superweapon to help them conquer the galaxy once and for all, a form of mechanical life that fed off of blood and gave birth to itself from the flesh and genes of the enemies of the Sith. They succeeded. In fact, they succeded too well. The 'machine gods' that were created attacked indiscrimanately, destroying their creators and wiping the galaxy clean of sentient life.

However, all was not lost. A single chronicler bore witness to the end, and knowing that the war with the dark machines was lost, created a record. This record was a repository of all the knowledge, information, and technology he could possibly find. Details on the construction of hyperdrives, dissertations on the gas-based blaster technology, complete genetic breakdowns of hundreds of sentient species. A nearly complete copy of the most important teachings of both the Jedi and the Sith, listing important figures, useful techniques, and details on the construction of powerful weapons. Everything that the sentient species of the future might need to rebuild galactic society. Everything they could use to succeed where the Jedi had finally, in the last, failed.

The device, a powerful holocron, contained a million libraries of information, all of it protected and governed by 'The Watcher,' a complete, perfect copy of the mind of the chronicler who created it. It was a light cast blindly into the future, in the hope that it might one day help save the universe from the darkness that had claimed it.

Whose Holoncron is this? Who exactly is this chronicler?

Once, he stood against an empire. But even he could not defeat it alone. As his body suffered damage, he simply used his skills to replace the damaged areas with machinery. Further and further he pushed, doing greater and greater damage to both his enemies and to himself, until finally, in the last, he was a man no more, but a machine. And machines do not die. So he watched. He watched as the universe turned, as sagas unfolded, and as he watched, he chronicled. He was the observer, the recorder, passing the time by enscribing history as it happened, a personal witness that walked in the shadows, only taking action when the need was greatest.

And ultimately, what he bore witness to was the end. But he rejected that fate, and forged a masterpiece. A holocron containing all that he had ever seen and witnessed, all that he had ever recorded. A complete account of history from a shadowy immortal that dogged the steps of the greats as they walked their destined paths. A library of ten thousand techniques, a first-hand of wars that set the galaxy alight, and a nearly bottomless chronicle of all the technologies that had blossomed in his time.

Once, he stood against an empire. Now, his legacy will stand against the Reapers.




Thoughts?
 

Chaos341

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#2
Clearly the introduction of the hyperdrive will change everything about Mass Effects ships. The introduction of FTL technology that is not on a node network will change so much, from Military Tactics in space to the willingness to tinker with the Relays now that they are not essential. They arguably could take down the Relays to slow the Reapers advance by years.
 

atlas_hugged

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#3
Chaos341 said:
Clearly the introduction of the hyperdrive will change everything about Mass Effects ships. The introduction of FTL technology that is not on a node network will change so much, from Military Tactics in space to the willingness to tinker with the Relays now that they are not essential. They arguably could take down the Relays to slow the Reapers advance by years.
ME has FTL tech that's not on the grid. The grid is instant tech, which is considerably faster, albeit, but I don't know exactly how "fast" their non instant FTL is, only that it's considerably faster than light.

Good idea, nice way to ground ME into Star wars. How would you plan on reconciling (or not), the force and biotics? I'd caution you to not make it too much about incorporating star wars tech into current ME canon though. ME has always been about a small group fighting a war that they are outclassed in every way in, notably in numbers and tech. To bring too much star wars technology into it would invite large scale battles, which can be useful (see ending of ME1 for example), but shouldn't be the focus. Just a way I could see this go wrong.

And please, for the love of all that is good, find some way to work HK-47 into this.
 

Chaos341

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#4
Well I am pretty sure Mass Effect's FTL is not fast enough to get them from one side of the galaxy to the next in a few weeks.
 

Ordo

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#5
Well, as to the concern about tech, depending on when this is discovered it might not be possible to get a 'full scale' roll out before the Reaper invasion. If this wealth of Knowledge was in the Terminus system, Ilos, or something the Collector ship picked up in it's Colony sweep by accident, then I doubt that a full conversion would've happened in time. However, since many ships/outposts do have minifactuing capabilities Shepard could release a free SDK over the extranet that shows how to make Star Wars weapons. It's going to screw up the economy as powerful guns become free but it's likely a small sacrifice to ensure civilization survives.

Anyways, considering that ME 3 begins with the refurbishment of the Normandy, that would be the perfect time to install a hyperdrive, and any other Star Wars tech. Actually if you had Cerberus discover the tech, then it's built into the SR2 when it's given to Shepard. Which would alter ME 2 greatly, with Shepard only becoming aware of the source of this tech after EDI is unshackled.
 

Lord Raine

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#6
The basic idea is that Revan cyborg'd himself to 100% over the course of kicking Sith ass, which wound up with him being an immortal walking the galaxy. Fast forward through all of the events of Star Wars up to the most distant stuff that's in canon right now, which is the return of the Sith Empire that Revan originally schooled.



At this point, I 'add in' the part that no books or comics have gotten to yet, which is the construction of 'Machine Gods' using Sith Alchemy and Darkside Sorcerery, with a classic twist of 'monster refuses to obey it's master.' Cue Reaper apocalypse.

Revan, naturally, is there, and being what amounts to the last living sentient lifeform in the universe, decides that even if he could somehow defeat the Reapers, there is literally no point in doing so. So instead, he uses his knowledge and skill to construct a holocron that serves both as his own holocron to pass on his knowledge of the Force and as a database for everything that would be necessary to rebuild galactic civilization and fight the Reapers.

Revan then (metaphorically) casts this beacon of hope into the future, and that's all that the holocron Revan can say about what happened. Because it wasn't there, it has no idea what actually happened to the original Revan. It postulates that, given it's own nature (which is identical to Revan's), Revan likely tried to find a place that maximized his chances of being able to survive until sentient life re-evolved, so that he could be present personally to help them fight the Reapers. However, the holocron has no idea whether Revan was successful, if Revan merely corroded away, or what might have happened. It can only guess, because this is the first time it has ever been activated. It uses data from Liara's personal computer to guess at how much time has passed, and finds it unlikely that the original Revan still exists.


The basic idea for this entire plot is that Shepard finds the holocron during the events of Mass Effect. However, that is not set in stone, so if any of you have any really good ideas about places to take this, I'm all ears.

ME has always been about a small group fighting a war that they are outclassed in every way in, notably in numbers and tech. To bring too much star wars technology into it would invite large scale battles, which can be useful (see ending of ME1 for example), but shouldn't be the focus. Just a way I could see this go wrong.
The basic idea I have is that the holocron Revan trains Shepard in the Force. It does not try to make Shepard a Jedi, because "Jedi were never soldiers, and you are." Also because, to use Revan's words, the Jedi had their chance to defend the galaxy, and both they and the Sith ultimately failed. "The Era of the Jedi is long dead. The Jedi cannot help us now." It teaches Shepard fairly and frankly, without trying to convert him into a Jedi, though it does clearly warn him about the dangers of overusing the Dark Side, because doing so will make you a slave to your own emotions.

Basically, Revan doesn't believe the Jedi can help anymore, because they and the Sith failed to stop the Reapers, so it doesn't try to turn Shepard into one.

It does, however, encourage Shepard to defend the galaxy from threats, much like the Jedi did, and to take in allies and students to train himself. In essence, Revan encourages Shepard to do what Kreia wanted the Exil to do; rebuild the order completely from the ground up. However, as Revan said, 'the Era of Jedi is long dead,' so they aren't Jedi. They're something else.

Basically, what's going on is that Shepard has a powerful passive connection to the Force, which is what drew him to the holocron. Likewise, it draws other people who are strong in the Force to him, which is a canon thing that powerful Force users do; other Force users are drawn to them. So pretty much every major named member of the crew that Shepard recruits, both in Mass Effect and in ME2, is a potential Force user.

A coincidence? Yes. But as both Kreia and Qui Gon have said, 'true coincidences are rare. This has happened for a reason. We must merely discover why.'

So to answer your concern, no, this will not deviate much from the typical Mass Effect formula. Shepard's crew will be the centerpiece of the conflict like it always is, because Shepard is essencially rebuilding the Jedi Order by teaching them even as Revan teaches him.

There is, though, the important difference. "The Jedi were keepers of the peace, not soldiers. Perhaps that was our greatest undoing. Because when the time came for the Jedi to be soldiers, they almost universally failed."

Far from viewing Shepard's background as a soldier as a weakness (or that same background in pretty much all of his crew), Revan sees it as the key seperating point between them and true Jedi, a seperation that has the potential to make all the difference when the Reapers return. Because a true Sith would try to conquer, and a true Jedi cannot fight a war. But a soldier can. So Shepard, and Shepard's crew, will be neither Jedi nor Sith, because neither can help the galaxy now. They must become something new, that has never existed before.

ME has FTL tech that's not on the grid. The grid is instant tech, which is considerably faster, albeit, but I don't know exactly how "fast" their non instant FTL is, only that it's considerably faster than light.
This is very true. However, it should be noted that their non-Relay FTL is much, much slower than the Star Wars FTL. A properly functioning Hyperdrive can take you from one end of the galaxy to the other in about a month. Modified ones, like the one on the Falcon, can do it in considerably less.

Legion specifically notes that the Reapers seem to be deliberately controlling the development of technology by placing the Relays. This is clearly true, because humanity only stopped it's attempts to develop superior FTL drives because they found the Mass Relay hidden near Pluto. Without the Relays, sentient life would eventually develop hyperdrive analogs, which would make it far more difficult for the Reapers to harvest them.

I believe that the most important implication present in this scenario is the fact that the holocron database will allow sentient life to go 'off the rails' from what the Reapers intended. Galactic civilization is supposed to be completely reliant on the Relays and Mass Effect technology by the time the Reapers show up, which essencially means that the galaxy is trying to beat the Reapers at their own game. It's a massive disadvantage that the galaxy has not once been able to overcome.

However, this time, that will be different.
 

Lord Raine

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#7
There are two more important points that need to be gone over.

The first is humanity. Revan created the holocron under the assumption that it would be discovered and used by completely alien forms of sentient life. As such, it was programmed with the most advanced linguistics and security software that was around at the time, enabling it to effortlessly tap into and then 'teach itself' whatever languages, vernacular, and social patterns would be necessary to communicate clearly with it's discoverers. However, the imprint of Revan was, naturally, shocked to discover that the one who activated it was human, and that the language that was being used was roughly similar to galactic Basic. Revan single-handedly witnessed the complete annhilation of humanity, and yet there is a genetic correlation between Mass Effect and Star Wars humans so strong that interbreeding would be viable. Humanity in Mass Effect is, for all intents and purposes, human, which should not be possible.

After perusing the various data files on board the Normandy, Holorevan hypothesizes that the Protheans may have something to do with it. The existence of a Prothean labratory on Mars is public domain knowledge, and Revan postulates that if the Protheans discovered an ancient cache of data from his own time, such as, for instance, the genetic blueprints of various species, which may have been preserved in time capsules as a last-ditch effort to endure the apocalypse, then they might have attempted to ressurrect the species contained within, possibly by using genetic engineering to 'guide' an already existing primate species.


Point two: Initially, Shepard does not believe the holocron. And I believe that is perfectly reasonable. Some random old alien artifact has an AI in it that claims magic is real. Sure. Fortunately, Revan anticipated this, and gave the holocron coordinates to a very specific place.

Now, to understand this, you need a bit of backstory. Vader offing the Emperor was not the end of the Emperor. In fact, <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#Palpatine_reborn_.284.E2.80.9311_ABY.29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Palpatine uses a combination of clones and Darkside possession</a> to ressurrect himself multiple times. He became a rash on the contenuity that just would not die. Does this cheapen Vader's sacrifice? Kind of, yes, but we aren't here to talk about the wankery.

What does matter is that the Emperor had a thing for gigantic superweapons and manufacturing bases, and was perfectly capable of constructing them in total secrecy. We also know that the Emperor spent at least a decade and a half in hiding, building up strength and resources to forge a 'Dark Empire,' before he was finally, finally killed off for real when <a href='http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/a/a6/Last_Clone_Body.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Palpatine attempted to take possession of Leia's infant child</a>, only to be stopped mid-transfer by the sacrifice of a completely irrelevant tertiary Jedi who happened to be around at the time, saving us from the double-horror of yet more Palpatine related plots and what might very well be the greatest Villain Sue of all time, second only to, well. <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Caedus' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Leia's child</a>. Spoilers~

So what does this mean for us? Besides the fact that the entire New Republic and Vong arcs blew massively, I mean?

It means that I can justify a giant weapons cache. Specifically, I'm using it to justify a planet. One that includes, but is not limited to, the following traits:

~ The entire planet, and a significant amount of space around it, is underneath the blanket of a <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stygium' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Stygium driven stealth system</a> based off of the <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yalara' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>planet wide stealth system used to hide the planet Yalara</a> from the rest of the galaxy. Canonically speaking, Jaden Korr destroyed the device before the Imperial Remnant could steal it, but seeing how <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yalara#cite_note-JKJA-1' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Darth Vader had already wiped out the indignous population and stationed his own personal army of assassins there several decades prior</a>, it seems extremely foolish to believe that the Emperor never acquried the technology. The Remnant never got their hands on the technology, but the Remnant never had a lot of things.

~ A shipyard complex extensive enough to create and maintain an entire Imperial fleet, including numerous ground yards and a massive orbital one geared towards constructing Super Star Destroyers.

~ A massive cache of lightsabers, lightsaber crystals, and holocrons taken from the Jedi Temple and various Jedi during the Purge at the end of the Clone Wars.

~ A cloning facility capable of creating a viable clone army off of the Jango Fett template. The facility was also outfitted to create a much smaller number of high quality, genetically superior clones, with the intention of creating further Palpatine clones.

~ Various laboratories where advanced weapons research and experiements in Sith Alchemy took place. Palpatine's goal was always to become an immortal ruler, in defiance of the Rule of Two. Though he was unable to replicate his master's techniques, I do not believe he would have stopped trying. Hence, this facility, where he could experiment both with the immortality technique and various other Darkside Sorceries that <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_alchemy#History' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>create and modify life</a>.

~ A asteroid ring field that contains two fully constructed but never used <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_II' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>DS-2s</a>, concealed inside a pair of hollowed-out asteroids in which they were constructed.

This Forgeworld was intended to be the heart of the military campaign that Palpatine would launch to finally take over the galaxy once and for all. However, he was destroyed before being able to make use of it, and the secret of it's existence died with him. Thus, the world, located in an unimportant and unhabited backwater system and cloaked from all outside detection, was lost.

Except for one entity, that was watching. It watched, and remembered.

So to prove it's case, the holocron provides the ultimate Exhibit A; the lost Imperial Forgeworld, waiting for a call to conquest that never came.

Now, before some of you get your britches in a bunch, it has been thousands and thousands of years since anyone has used any of these facilities. This is not a fully functional Imperial Forgeworld. Everything is in various states of disrepair, a lot of it is likely completely trashed, and all of the biological experiments have gotten loose and been evolving, mutating, and interbreeding. This is a world filled with derelict industrial spralls and ancient jungles filled with alien technology and overrun with monsters, and it would take years and an entire army of engineers to get even some of the facilities up and running again. Howerver, even with all of that against it, it is still an invaluable resource, both for the records that are still intact, the technology that can be salvaged from the ruins, and the caches of holocrons, lightsaber crystals, and Stygium crystals, which are invaluable, extremely valuable, and completely irreplacable, in that order.

Plus, you have to admit. It would be pretty fucking awesome to see a JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR scenario involving the crew, the Mako, a colossal open drydock filled with the derelict skeletons of ancient ships, and some of the things that are probably running around:




JESUS CHRIST IT'S A HELLDRAGON GET IN THE MAKO
 

Chaos341

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#8
Is that arc that we talked about with the Gorog going to make an appearance?

Edit: I have been recently watching Life After People so I can imagine how fucked up that Forgeworld will be without the Hell Monsters.
 

Lost Star

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#9
It's an interesting premise, but I will have to comment that you are probably getting your sense of time scale a bit off. There have been at least three cycles so far in this scenario. One for Prothean, one for the SW universe, and one for the ME universe.

Actually, if you want, using ME cannon you can actually get a timeline of a good point for when the SW universe was.

From wiki.
37,000,000 BCE

? ? An unknown spacefaring race fires a mass accelerator round at a Reaper near the planet Mnemosyne. The round penetrates the Reaper, disabling it, and continues moving through space, eventually striking the planet Klendagon and creating the geological feature there known as the Great Rift Valley.
After that amount of time, there probably isn't going to be much on the planet...
 

Lord Raine

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#10
The ruins on Korriban have been there since before the Great Hyperspace war, which was. . . fuck. Seventy million years ago? I think? I'm not using the wiki to doube check, but it was in the high millions.

The stuff might still be there, especially if a lot of it was underground. Things seem to last a really, really long time in the Star Wars universe.

Though I will admit it's still kind of a problem. I've sort of turned a blind-eye to the time factor. If you assume that the Reapers only go after space-faring sentients (that is to say, if the Reapers apocalypsed now IRL, they would skip over us, because we aren't advanced enough to bother with), then it's possible that you don't have to wait millions of years for new sentient life to evolve. Rather, the sentient life is 'staggered,' with each up-and-coming galactic civilization just starting to experiment with spaceflight even as the current one is getting eaten by the Reapers.

If you stagger the timelines together, 60+ million can be reduced down to only one or two million, or even a few hundred thousand.

For this particular setting, I'm assuming that either those estimates for when it happened are wrong, or that I'm just flat-out ignoring canon. The Reaper cycle has happened about five times, and those five civilizations were 'staggered' together. Thus, the Protheans died while the Asari were starting to experiment with space travel in and beyond their solar system, and something similar happened when the Protheans were doing likewise.

Basically, I'm willing to make up a lot of bullshit to justify the Forgeworld looking like one hundred years of Life After People: Science Fiction Edition, now with 100% more steamy thick jungle full of giant monsters.

This is kind of I'm going for, here:

<a href='http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/362/d/8/abandoned_alien_ruins_by_tarrzan-d35w5v8.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Link</a>

With maybe some of this for flavor: <a href='http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/087/3/0/wreckage_concept___city_by_masterstryke-d3coato.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Link</a>
 

Chaos341

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#11
Also the space metal is probably more durable than our materials by a long shot.
 

Amodelsino

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#12
Lord Raine said:
The ruins on Korriban have been there since before the Great Hyperspace war, which was. . . fuck. Seventy million years ago? I think? I'm not using the wiki to doube check, but it was in the high millions.
You're off by roughly <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Hyperspace_War' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>sixty nine million, nine hundred and ninety five thousand years.</a> Even the Rakatan Empire only began about 35 000 years before the first movie.

That said, I'm all for raping canon with a metal pole. I'm actually kind of sick of enormous stretches of time for no reason other than "lol millions of years is epic". I was as annoyed at the implications of the Reapers having been around for fucking forever at that revelation as I was when Kotor was set 4000 years before the rest of canon, despite being at almost exactly the same level of technological and societal development.

Things do not suddenly become cooler the more ancient they are.
 

Lord Raine

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#13
And that's why I should check my books before saying things I'm not sure of.

Is it still viable? I kind of think it is, but I'll admit I haven't run the numbers.

as I was when Kotor was set 4000 years before the rest of canon, despite being at almost exactly the same level of technological and societal development.
In their defense, it has been stated in canon that their technology has pretty much gone as far as it will go. It took 4000 years just to make the seemingly small jump from KotOR tech to Clonewars tech. At this point, the diminishing returns have gotten so small that technology is basically standing still. Pretty much the only thing left that they can do on the engineering end is nickle and dime their way to a few fractions of a percent higher efficency.
 

Python453

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#14
Question: how is Shepard going to keep the Imperial Forgeworld as a secret?

I assume he would keep it a secret, seeing how in the wrong hands the technology on that planet- even if in a state of decay- could be disastrous.
 

Lord Raine

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#15
By not talking about it. As a Spectre, he has the ability to not-tell the Council what the hell he's up to. If that was not the case, then there's no way Saren could have done a quarter of the things he did. It was very clearly implied that Saren had been building up his own plans and armies for years in preperation for this. Possibly even decades.

In theory, the secret stops with the Normandy. As long as nobody talks, the Forgeworld stays lost. And the Normandy crew, in my personal opinion, has shown itself good enough that they won't talk. Though I will admit that you could perhaps make a plot point out of one of them talking, either intentionally or not.
 

Deathwings

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#16
Though about something...let's say, in order to maximize his usefulness, Revan was hooked up to the Normandy computer during ME1, acting as a sort-of EDI at the time.

When the Normandy crash, Shepard doesn't manage to get Revan out.

Fast forward to ME2, Shepard head for the Normandy Crash Site first thing to get Revan back as fast as possible. Once on the ground, he start searching and suddenly hears Revan's voice...coming from a Geth.

Revan and Legion, united. :snigger:
 
#17
And Revan would be the type to have enough Force of Will to be able to hack into the entirety of the Geth Collective and possibly survive, if not thrive.

I have to wonder though...

If Shepard tried to input Revan into the SR2 Normandy, what would become fo EDI? Would the two combine? Would they battle it out until one was dominant and completely erradicated the other from the systems or would they be able to coincide inside the ship's systems until a more permanant solution came to mind?

Then there's also the Shadow Broker to contend with. He's not stupid. There was much he knew that most others did not. He potentially knew Collectors were formerly Protheans even before Shepard found out. If there was anyone with the ability and resources to find the Imperial Forgeworld, it would be him and that's something Revan would likely try and take advantage of. Hell, that could potentially make Revan, not Liara, the new Shadow Broker over the course of the events of ME2.

Also keep in mind that the Jango Fett clones rapidly fell out of use when many of them rebelled against the Empire. By the time of the events of the Force Unleashed, only the 501st, Vader's personal army, was the only regiment still composed solely of Jango Fett clones. So Shepard would have a wide variety of Clone Genomes to choose from, not just Jango Fett or Emperor Palpatine.

Would the actual Revan be making an appearance one way or another? I'm thinking that should such an event occur, it would have to be one of two ways... One, they find Revan in stasis, preserved, but advanced many, many years in age and no longer at his peak. Or in some sort of spiritual form. After all, if Palpatine could exist as a form of wraith, why not Revan?
 

voidseeker

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#18
Revan in a Geth body= no force powers.

I'd be more interested in seeing HK47
 

Deathwings

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#19
voidseeker said:
Revan in a Geth body= no force powers.

I'd be more interested in seeing HK47
The original Revan already cybernetized himself to the extent that he didn't had any control over the Force anyway, so no loss here.

Also, I doubt even HoloRevan could hack the entire Geth Collective. No matter how good he is, that's still billions of AIs he would have to out-hack. Both R2 and T3 working together would fry if they tried. Not gonna happen.

I don't see Revan trying to take over anyone anyway.

With EDI, they would be more likely to work together.
With Legion...well, Revan could make a deal with the Geths. He, after all, is the unique positions of being technically a synthetic but still understanding how the organics thinks.

The deal would be as follow : Revan become part of Legion as the one in control most of the time. He still has to bend if the other Geths programs if they reach a consensus against one of his decision but otherwise he is the boss. This allow Legion to find Shepard quickly, because Revan know Shep' will come retrieve him as fast as he can, and through Revan, Legion experience thing from a more "organic" point of view, expanding the Geths sorely lacking knowledge in that area.

Also, since Revan is a trusted friend of Shepard who himself has a LOT of pull with the Quarian, it allow the Geths to contact the Quarian without any blood or coolant being shed.
 

crazyfoxdemon

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#20
Lord Raine said:
Plus, you have to admit. It would be pretty fucking awesome to see a JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR scenario involving the crew, the Mako, a colossal open drydock filled with the derelict skeletons of ancient ships, and some of the things that are probably running around:




JESUS CHRIST IT'S A HELLDRAGON GET IN THE MAKO
I dont think it would happen. The Reapers have been around for hundreds of thousands of years, maybe even millions. Pretty much all the Star Wars species will have evolved to something different by now.
 

Lord Raine

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#21
Time compression of some sort will be necessary, if only to allow the Forgeworld to exist. Without that, there is no way for large quantities of Star Wars technology to be produced expeidently, nor is there any way for the Holocron to prove that it is not merely the ravings of an ancient AI driven mad by an unknown amount of time in isolation.

The Forgeworld must exist in some capacity, even if it is mostly nonfunctional. For that to happen, we can't be talking about a timeline involving the hundreds of millions of years that is implied in the Mass Effect timeline. There would literally be nothing whatsoever left, not even ruins or foundations.

If anybody has any ideas for how to help with the timeline, I would really appreciate it, because that's pretty much the only problem I have in this idea right now. The only 'quick' fix I can think of would be to make the timelines align to Mass Effect, and write the Forgeworld in as being some sort of barren wasteland (such as an atmosphereless desert or an unmoving, nondynamic ball of rock and ice). However, while that would certainly explain away why the Forgeworld is still preserved and present, it would ruin the whole "exotic alien ruins in the lost jungle" motif that I had envisioned. You can't exactly have giant mutant monsters or boiling thunderstorms rolling across the broken remnants of a collosal drydock on an planet where there's nothing but sand/ice/a perfect vacuum.

If anyone has any reasonable suggestions for how to make this work, I'm all ears.
 

Elvarein

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#22
Turn the Forge World into a space structure or be hidden on an atmosphereless moon and with the Star Maps part of KoTR being needed to find or unlock it.

Then have the Star Maps be buried deep in the earth of each planet in a airtight hematically sealed chamber. You could then have them trapaise over various locales from ZOMG sky scraper high jungle landscape of Kashyyyk with different layers which are world apart, to the unforgiving Deserts of Dune where the natives could punch out a Krogan and an Ice World where freezing your face off is not a joke.
 

atlas_hugged

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#23
Elvarein said:
Turn the Forge World into a space structure or be hidden on an atmosphereless moon and with the Star Maps part of KoTR being needed to find or unlock it.

Then have the Star Maps be buried deep in the earth of each planet in a airtight hematically sealed chamber. You could then have them trapaise over various locales from ZOMG sky scraper high jungle landscape of Kashyyyk with different layers which are world apart, to the unforgiving Deserts of Dune where the natives could punch out a Krogan and an Ice World where freezing your face off is not a joke.
He wants it to have a ruins lost in the jungle feel with giant dark side beasts running rampant.

I'm not sure if this is feasibly possible in actual reality, but if the forge world were to take place on an astral body with an orbit akin to a comet, with a verrrrrrrrrryyy long winter, but a very fertile spring period, then you could make it seem so that life has evolved to hibernate for very extended periods of time on the world, but is active during the spring period. Make it so the forge world was actually established on the comet due to the presence of some crazy awesome resource.

This would make it so the actual active period of life on the forge world is very small compared to the period of time that it exists, allowing you to stretch the plausibility of the structures surviving.

Then have shepard arrive during the thaw.
 

Raye_Terse

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#24
This might not help with the forgeworld, but <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dreypa%27s_Oubliette' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Dreypa's Oubliette (The Jebble box)</a> is proof that really hardcore materials do exist and also that really hardcore stasis fields exist.

An example: Soon after Celeste Morne was put inside the oubliette, the ice world <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jebble' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Jebble</a> found itself under atomic bombardment, which also happened to melt most of the planet surface. The oubliette then drifted to the bottom of the newly melted sea, which proceeded to freeze over again, and things stayed that way for 2500 years, after which some miners found the oubliette. Completely intact. When the it was opened some fifteen-hundred years later, the person inside it hadn't aged a day, and she was perfectly capable of fighting Darth Vader almost immediately after regaining conciousness.

It is also canon to the EU that the oubliette could "theoretically preserve a living being for millenniaùeven beyond the death of the galaxy itself."

I don't know if the oubliette would survive millions upon millions of years, but the concept could conceivably shorten the time that the living beings on the forgeworld need to survive.

It won't solve the problem, but it can help stretch the timeline out further than you could previously.
 

Lord Raine

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#25
So far, the options I've got on the table are:

1.) The Forgeworld has a massive elliptical orbit, inflicting millennia long ice-ages upon it, which are then followed by thaws of similar length. This could justify both the fact that evolution hasn't taken the animals too far away from being rancors and other Star Wars staples, and explain why the buildings are still standing.

2.) Most of the things on the Forgeworld were in stasis until recently (the last thousand years or so), at which point the stasis fields failed. This explains why Star Wars monsters are running around. This does nothing for the buildings, and makes the explanation "because they had crazy badass building materials." How believable that particular handwave is is up for debate.

3.) The Forgeworld is beneath the surface of a planet. This has the advantage of making the entire environment controlled, and explains why stuff is still standing. The downshot is that it's already pushing it to believe that the Emperor could have built this whole thing in secret. Having it be underground as well is really over the top. That's not a unicorn in the garden anymore. That's a whole herd of unicorns fighting off the Loch Ness monster which is being ridden by cyborg bigfoot.


At the moment, I'm leaning towards 2, if only because I want some of the more iconic species of sentient aliens from Star Wars to make an appearance, but since cloning isn't really going to happen on a large scale, that couldn't plausibly happen. With 2, it can. If the Emperor had prisoners in stasis to experiment on, then it's entirely possible that there could be established wookiee settlements and tribes of amazonian Twi'leks by the time Shepard shows up (1,000 years after the stasis fields fail).

Because the only thing more awesome than the Mako getting chased across a massive drydock filled with derelict ships by a mutant rancor is having that mutant rancor get ambushed by wookies.

I'll mull it over, but I'm definitely leaning towards 2 at the moment. And, of course, I'm more than open to thoughts and suggestions.

Now, onto more interesting things. Plot. Normally, I keep plot to myself until I start writing, and don't talk about it openly. But, I have no idea exactly when my schedule will open up, only that it should at some point. In theory. Also, this is going to cause a pretty huge deviation in the canon sequence of events for a number of reasons, and I'd like some help working those kinks out.

Liara became an information broker because she needed to do something with her time, because she needed the money to pay the bills, and because people were trying to manipulate her due to her relationship with Shepard. However, I don't see that happening in this sequence of events. Why? The Forgeworld. It's an entire uncharted planet of pre-pre-pre Prothean ruins. As a skilled archeologist and powerful biotic, Liara is the perfect fit for the job. Plus, you'd have to strap her to a wall to keep her away from the place.

This may not seem like that big of a deal, until, of course, you remember the events that took place immediately after the wreck of the Normandy. For those of you who don't happen to have a +5 Circumstance Bonus to all Knowledge Checks related to nerdy things, the Alliance kind of sort of completely fucking dropped the ball. In the race to get to the crash site, they were that one guy who is perpetually stoned and only found out about it two years later. While the Alliance was digging for brown gold with their thumbs, there was a violent war going on behind the scenes over Shepard's remains. On the one side, there was the Shadow Broker, on another, there were the Collectors, on another, there was Cerberus, and on another, there was Liara. For those of you familiar with the story, you know that it is only thanks to the intervention of Liara and the sacrifice of her Drell companion that kept Shepard's body out of the hands of the Shadow Broker (and possibly the Collectors). Liara wound up with it, which she then gave to Cerberus so that they could revive you.

You might be starting to see the problem. Someone or something needs to stand in for Liara, or else this story ends in a terribly lame (though admittedly realistic) way. And at the moment? I'm kind of strapped for ideas on who could do it.

Most of the deviations are going to be tertiary things that happen alongside the plot, and don't require a powwow to figure out. This one, though, is kind of a big deal. Liara cannot bail your char-grilled ass out if she's tits deep in Imperial data records, and that kind of leaves you high and dry.

The only possible idea I have about this is that maybe the Quarians help you out. The problem, though, is not only can I not even begin to justify how the Quarians know that you even need help to begin with, but I also don't see them turning you over to Cerberus even if they did retrieve you.

If anyone has any thoughts on this, well. That's kind of why I posted it here, isn't it? To open up a dialogue. I'm all ears.
 
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