Mass Effect/Warhammer 40k idea

SEG-CISR

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#1
So, I was having a discussion with my fella Russell, when I raised the question about my most recent story...

Segcisr: Do you read my Mass Effect/WH40k story?
Russell: nope. I will though
Russell: Reapers slot into WH40K mythos almost perfectly, don't they?
Segcisr: They could
Segcisr: I had a thought
Russell: ?
Segcisr: That maybe the Tyranids were fleeing into the Milky Way galaxy- a thought that many have had before
Segcisr: A theory that's really big, even
Segcisr: In a cross and stuff, I'd theorize that they were fleeing from Reapers
Segcisr: Since, you know, they're God Machines
Segcisr: I think, hey, they're so fucking uber. Why can't they just rape every galaxy ever and be that fucking powerful, just to make the ME situation more hopeless?
Segcisr: Of course, to make what I thought about correct
Segcisr: Then I would have to think horrible heretical things
Segcisr: :< God-Emperor is a Reaper agent
Segcisr: And humanity was just razed of technology
Segcisr: And left as cavemen
Segcisr: With the immortal reaper among them
Segcisr: Who was almost killed by the Chaos Gods
Segcisr: In an attempt to save the galaxy
Segcisr: ... It's been 42k years since the last purge by Reapers
Segcisr: >: D
Segcisr: But my story is nothing like that
Segcisr: What say you?
Russell: That's scaryawesome
Russell: I don't see how WH40K could win without banding together
Russell: which can't happen.
I doubt I have enough concentrated awesome in my veins to make this work; Reapers don't just tread on the bodies of poor Milky Way people, but also the rest of the universe. They're innumerable God-machines that chill out in the absolute void waiting for their innumerable vanguards in innumerable galaxies to give a call and bring Reapers down on the galaxy.

Obviously some galaxies would develop and the vanguards would call at the same time, but they're innumerable and bred through their reaping of civilizations, so they can split their group in two.

So, this is for you, TFF, the internet.
 
#2
If in 40K, the Reapers would eventually get raped by the endless numbers of the Orks. To give you an idea, several probes were sent by the Adeptus Mechanicus to scan for signal coming from the other galaxies of our supercluster.

They found signals. Lots of signals. An enormous amount of signals from each galaxy.

All of them are Ork signals.

Yeah.

...

I'd theorize, instead of restarting the calendar at 1 AD, because it's the 41st millennium of the Christian calendar (not that anyone remembers it), the following.

Keep human history as normal for 40K. Add the Citadel and associated species, Terminus Systems and all. We know little enough of the Age of Technology to insert that without trouble.

Here's how it changes. The Reapers are the automated armies of the Eldar Empire. It allows both the indoctrination tech and the creation process of the Reapers to find origin in Warp technology and explain their quasi-supernatural ability to subvert minds. By the same token, the central intelligence Reaper are created from the sheer agony and hatred of an entire species being slaughtered as seen in the Collector base.

The Reapers therefore become the instrument of the Eldar to cleanse the Galaxy of new species, both ensuring their dominion and diminishing their influence on the Warp. Mass Effect tech provides a nice, low powered tech for the new species to concentrate on, diverting them from Warp tech. The added bonus being that the new species, being regularly exterminated, have less chances of waking the slumbering Necrons and, for plot-related reasons, explaining the lack of major species other then Mankind in the Milky Way in 40K.

Mass Effect happens as normal, Shepard being either an extraordinary man or one of the many personae taken by the Emperor through the ages. And so, the Mass Effect trilogy represents the first hiccup in the time-proven cycle of the Reapers, what follows is the constant conflict of the Humanity-led Citadel against the Reapers throughout the Age of Technology.

The war continues during all of the Age of Technology, species dying left and right to the Reapers with Humanity holding on first by the skin of their teeth, then with increasing confidence as they diversify from Mass Effect tech, eventually discovering Warp tech and other more esoteric technology from 40K. Of course, by the time they do, most Citadel races have died off in one way or another, leaving Humanity the last man standing with the Geth somewhere around M20.

In a last ditch attempt to kill Humanity and the few remaining races, the Reapers manage to subvert the Geth with their dying breath, thereby explaining the Iron Men rebellions of 40K lore.

As the war with the Geth finishes, Humanity tries to unify its territories... But the consequences of destroying the Reapers finally manifest as the careful equilibrium that allowed the Eldar to slide slowly into decadence without troubling the Warp too much is broken by the added emotional influence of Humanity. The Eldar Empire falls into complete decadence by the feedback from an increasingly troubled Warp and Humanity fractures irremediably as the Age of Strife begins.
 

SEG-CISR

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#3
Delta Green Friendly said:
If in 40K, the Reapers would eventually get raped by the endless numbers of the Orks. To give you an idea, several probes were sent by the Adeptus Mechanicus to scan for signal coming from the other galaxies of our supercluster.

They found signals. Lots of signals. An enormous amount of signals from each galaxy.

All of them are Ork signals.

Yeah.
Uhm.

Holy shit.

How.
 
#4
SEG-CISR said:
Delta Green Friendly said:
If in 40K, the Reapers would eventually get raped by the endless numbers of the Orks. To give you an idea, several probes were sent by the Adeptus Mechanicus to scan for signal coming from the other galaxies of our supercluster.

They found signals. Lots of signals. An enormous amount of signals from each galaxy.

All of them are Ork signals.

Yeah.
Uhm.

Holy shit.

How.
Apparently the War in Heaven? between the Old Ones and the Necrons was far more then just a Galactic scale conflict...

That and the Orks do get around a lot. They use Space Hulks to travel quite commonly and God (and GW) only knows where those might end up due to the Warp.

Ironically, this may make the Orks the most likely race to experience a crossover in all fiction, bar those that can actually control their dimensional travel.

And as for my little suggestion?
 

SEG-CISR

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#5
Well, the idea can be considered. Like I said, I'm not packing enough Awesome to write it, myself.
 

bluepencil

that's why it's trash can, not trash cannot
#6
Oh yeah, I remember that. It's Rogue Trader era canon, but as far as I know have not been retconned. I am unsure as to the another bit of fluff, but apparently the War between the Old Ones and the Necrons consumed a thousand galaxies, until they pulled back into the Milky Way. This actually bears out another random quote about Khorne feeding in other galaxies.

However, one must also consider that Khorne in itself is not a 'supreme' expression of Chaos. Chaos Gods are MADE from the emotional content of beings whose souls echo in the Warp. Khaine and Khorne are actually 'related'. It is very likely likely that other galaxies have their own Chaos God, but because of a certain 'universality' of source emotions (hatred, fear, anger, lust, etc) they can be the same yet utterly different.

Interestingly, there is a parallel between the Enslavers and the Tyranid, only the latter affects the Warp while the other is mostly in material space.
 
#7
bluepencil said:
Oh yeah, I remember that. It's Rogue Trader era canon, but as far as I know have not been retconned. I am unsure as to the another bit of fluff, but apparently the War between the Old Ones and the Necrons consumed a thousand galaxies, until they pulled back into the Milky Way. This actually bears out another random quote about Khorne feeding in other galaxies.

However, one must also consider that Khorne in itself is not a 'supreme' expression of Chaos. Chaos Gods are MADE from the emotional content of beings whose souls echo in the Warp. Khaine and Khorne are actually 'related'. It is very likely likely that other galaxies have their own Chaos God, but because of a certain 'universality' of source emotions (hatred, fear, anger, lust, etc) they can be the same yet utterly different.

Interestingly, there is a parallel between the Enslavers and the Tyranid, only the latter affects the Warp while the other is mostly in material space.
I recall, but can't be bothered to check at the moment if I recall correctly, that the Ork signals bit of fluff was re-stated in the 5th Ed. Rulebook. Anyhow, so long as it's not ret-conned, it's cannon.
 

Grunt

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#8
I really want to know why everyone likes the idea so much that the Nids are fleeing from something else...can't you people just accept that the Nids already devoured all other galaxies in the universe :p
 

bluepencil

that's why it's trash can, not trash cannot
#9
The known number is twelve. Furthermore, Tyranids are like Space Mongols in that they only devour existent ecosystems instead of making self-sustainable sources of biomass. They leave lifeless rocks instead of waiting for it to flourish; though technically by consuming everything down to bedrock that could be useful in creating life they're just leaping past the million-year wait. However, these same materials, if in raw elements and compounds, also exist in the form of free-floating asteroids and in semi-habitable worlds (water, iron, carbon, trace elements). Hell, one can scoop most of these from Venus' atmosphere (if the form of carbon dioxide).

One of the early SF staples is known as the Berseker swarm, a self-replicating Von Neumann weapon that destroys all other known forms of life whenever it encounters them. The titular Bersekers come from Fred Saberhagen's Berserker novels, which are machine-replicators who maintain their programming of destruction of all life. Daleks, with their gigantic omnicidal racism and sense of superiority, also qualify. Whether biological or mechanical, if the only purpose of a species is to propagate at the expense of any and all others, it's a Berserker.

The 'Nids certainly count as this. However, they need not be engineered to be so; plenty of natural species act like that.

Given that Orks and their spores make each a container for an entire orkoid ecosystem, the Old Ones were really, really good life engineers even without looking at the Eldar and their Warp mindfuckery. Orks, despite being a weapon-race millions of years old, are self-regulating to the extent that while they have the potential to become a Berserker-level threat, they never do. Fighting amongst themselves maintains a balance and their engaging stupidity ensures that races that grow strong enough or smart enough can offer resistance. They are driven to grow stronger and be capable of defense -because- the Orks exist.

It's a pretty nice long-range strategy, if actually intentional. Unfortunately, the Old Ones lost that war.


They like the idea of fleeing 'Nids because it's either even going to get even more grimdark or totally hilarious.


edit:
DGF, I'm surprised you even managed to misspell 'canon' as 'cannon'. Is that a hint? Okay, I may also be wrong, but 'retconed' doesn't look right compared to 'retconned'. 'Retcon-ed'?
 

SEG-CISR

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#10
I see the term "Von Neumann" a lot when speaking of space robots and stuff. AFAIK he was a mathematician? What's he have to do with self-replicating robots leading to ridiculous expansion in space?
 

bluepencil

that's why it's trash can, not trash cannot
#11
He's quoted for the same reason as Freeman Dyson is known for having 'invented' the Dyson Sphere. Von Neumann did a lot of things, as a quick look in his wikipedia entry does show . As far as being a mathematician is relevant to popular literature, remember who wrote Alice in Wonderland?
 
#12
I misspelled Canon? Bloody Hell, I should know better. Canonic Law, after all. Could be a Freudian slip over the current policy of GW of getting rid of all fluff from the previous Editions in a manner roughly similar to firing said Editions out of a cannon.

Ret-conned feels right, in that a "conn", as far as I'm aware, seems to be somewhat synonymous with "helm" in maritime jargon. Ret-conn would thereby signify a change of authorial direction. This is just a rationalization on my part to justify a neologism. After checking it out, retcon is an abbreviation of retroactive continuity, and should thus be conjugated retcon-ed or simply used only as a noun.
 

Grunt

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#13
The known number of twelve you speak of refers to the main rule book's use of "the husks of a dozen galaxies" I'd assume?

Because the new tyranids codex released in january does not use that number at all, instead only saying that the reason for the tyranids journey is unkown, they might be fleeing from someone or this galaxy might just be the latest to be attacked.
 

Mercsenary

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#14
Delta Green Friendly said:
I misspelled Canon? Bloody Hell, I should know better. Canonic Law, after all. Could be a Freudian slip over the current policy of GW of getting rid of all fluff from the previous Editions in a manner roughly similar to firing said Editions out of a cannon.

Ret-conned feels right, in that a "conn", as far as I'm aware, seems to be somewhat synonymous with "helm" in maritime jargon. Ret-conn would thereby signify a change of authorial direction. This is just a rationalization on my part to justify a neologism. After checking it out, retcon is an abbreviation of retroactive continuity, and should thus be conjugated retcon-ed or simply used only as a noun.
ret-conned -> Retro continuity

Yes?
 
#15
Mercsenary said:
Delta Green Friendly said:
I misspelled Canon? Bloody Hell, I should know better. Canonic Law, after all. Could be a Freudian slip over the current policy of GW of getting rid of all fluff from the previous Editions in a manner roughly similar to firing said Editions out of a cannon.

Ret-conned feels right, in that a "conn", as far as I'm aware, seems to be somewhat synonymous with "helm" in maritime jargon. Ret-conn would thereby signify a change of authorial direction. This is just a rationalization on my part to justify a neologism. After checking it out, retcon is an abbreviation of retroactive continuity, and should thus be conjugated retcon-ed or simply used only as a noun.
ret-conned -> Retro continuity

Yes?
Yes.
 

toraneko

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#16
Delta Green Friendly said:
After checking it out, retcon is an abbreviation of retroactive continuity, and should thus be conjugated retcon-ed or simply used only as a noun.
Verb base: can (to preserve and store, e.g. food, by means of a sealed metal can)
Infinitive: to can
Past tense: canned

Verb base: retcon (to retroactively alter a series' continuity, so as to better match current plotlines)
Infinitive: to retcon
Past tense: retconned

I don't see where the conflict of conjugation is.
 
#17
But hang on didn't shepard destroy a reaper i.e. Sovereign? so that doesn't make them invicible now does it? Ok say the nids are running from the Reapers, what about the Protheans? could they have been the Old Ones? after all they had very advanched tech, plus they or at least it is hinted at that the Protheans were calpable of or did seed planets with life, so could you have the Protheans creating the Eldar etc? cos Eldar tech resembles Prothean if you look closely.

Just a thought. ^_^
 

snthsnth

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#18
Sovereign was destroyed after his kinetic shields were taken down, by killing the bit of him that took over Saren. With barriers he's able to ram ships at high speed without issue. In ME terms, he's invincible, and made himself vulnerable.

If Sovereign is to be believed, the Reapers predate the Protheans by millions of years. Every 50k years there's a purge of sentient life. The Protheans had their own 'Prothean' race.

A further problem is that most 'Prothean' tech is styled on the Citadel and Mass Relays, which were built by (or stolen by) the Reapers. It was stated that the Reapers want organic life to develop along a certain path, for ease of conquering.

It also more likely that the Protheans were simply observing the development of other races, not actively engineering them.
 
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