Misc. Ideas Thread

DhampyrX2

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Okay since none of the movie ideas seemed to have made the move successfully, I guess I'll take a stab at making a misc ideas thread.

Anyway, was watching V for Vendetta on SyFy yesterday and a weird thought popped into my head today. What if the world where it took place was in fact the world from Hellsing? Given the epilogue where Integra was dying in bed we know she would be alive up until that point in the late 2030's. And since she was dedicated wholly to Queen and Country I don't think she would relish leaving the world where her beloved nation was in the hands of a fascist regime and there was, I assume, no longer a monarchy at all (remember this is the film and not the graphic novel). How would she react to the comings and goings of what we saw in V for Vendetta?

More importantly, how would the Norsefire party view the Hellsing Organization/Royal Protestant Knights? Given the power they put into the Church of England you would think that the Party would be in support of the organization at least on paper.

And finally, you have the wildcards in the deck. Namely Seras and Alucard himself once he reemerges. How would they view Norsefire and V? And... would Integra give her favorite monster one final order from her death bed to try to set things right again? Something simple and easy to to follow. Like say... "Search and Destroy."
 

bissek

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RE: Misc, Ideas Thread

In Hellsing, the real power in the British Government lies with the Council of Twelve, of which Integra is a member, not Parliament. That alone would complicate Norsefire's plans.
 

DhampyrX2

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RE: Misc, Ideas Thread

bissek said:
In Hellsing, the real power in the British Government lies with the Council of Twelve, of which Integra is a member, not Parliament. That alone would complicate Norsefire's plans.
True, but the council took a pretty hard hit during the Valentine Brothers' attack. And the Major's final gambit wiped out a good part of London proper. Those could work as the start of Norsefire getting a foothold, then they use the plague to solidify the rest.

Although I would argue that in Hellsing the Queen still had the majority of the power and just let the people THINK Parliament had some say in matters. The Council of Twelve (which is really the modern Round Table) still answered to Her Majesty.
 

bissek

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RE: Misc, Ideas Thread

DhampyrX2 said:
bissek said:
In Hellsing, the real power in the British Government lies with the Council of Twelve, of which Integra is a member, not Parliament. That alone would complicate Norsefire's plans.
True, but the council took a pretty hard hit during the Valentine Brothers' attack. And the Major's final gambit wiped out a good part of London proper. Those could work as the start of Norsefire getting a foothold, then they use the plague to solidify the rest.

Although I would argue that in Hellsing the Queen still had the majority of the power and just let the people THINK Parliament had some say in matters. The Council of Twelve (which is really the modern Round Table) still answered to Her Majesty.
It should be noted that in the V for Vendetta comics, Elizabeth wasn't the Queen. The throne had passed to Zara Phillips, who at the time of the publication was 6th in line for the throne (And is currently 14th and due to drop lower in a few months). No explanation is given to what happened to everyone ahead of her. If Norsefire was connected, Hellsing might be trying to protect those who were ahead of her in the succession.
 

DhampyrX2

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RE: Misc, Ideas Thread

bissek said:
DhampyrX2 said:
bissek said:
In Hellsing, the real power in the British Government lies with the Council of Twelve, of which Integra is a member, not Parliament. That alone would complicate Norsefire's plans.
True, but the council took a pretty hard hit during the Valentine Brothers' attack. And the Major's final gambit wiped out a good part of London proper. Those could work as the start of Norsefire getting a foothold, then they use the plague to solidify the rest.

Although I would argue that in Hellsing the Queen still had the majority of the power and just let the people THINK Parliament had some say in matters. The Council of Twelve (which is really the modern Round Table) still answered to Her Majesty.
It should be noted that in the V for Vendetta comics, Elizabeth wasn't the Queen. The throne had passed to Zara Phillips, who at the time of the publication was 6th in line for the throne (And is currently 14th and due to drop lower in a few months). No explanation is given to what happened to everyone ahead of her. If Norsefire was connected, Hellsing might be trying to protect those who were ahead of her in the succession.
This is using the movie, not the graphic novel. That means you move the timeline ahead by years, they use a plague to solidify things instead of the aftermath of a limited nuclear war, and we assume the monarchy has been dissolved altogether as there was never a mention of it in the film beyond playing "God Save the King" on that one TV show.
 

DhampyrX2

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RE: Misc, Ideas Thread

New weird movie thought. Take the first GI Joe movie and take things another way. What if Corbra Commander/Rex and Baroness/Anna were just a little more human?

We already know that Duke, Ripcord, and Rex/CC were pretty tight until Rex got caught in the air strike with Doctor Mindbender. We also know Baroness/Anna was being forced to be evil by the nanites in her blood. Now, Rex is batshit crazy and more than a little evil. We know that. He also wanted to keep Anna safe in his own twisted way and keep her close. What if he was just human enough still to want to do the same with Duke and Ripcord too? What if his ultimate plan in betraying Destro and taking control of Cobra included collecting Duke and Ripcord and having them at his side as well? I mean it would explain the various reasons they were left alive at the beginning of the film. So how would things progress if Rex was working more toward reuniting all of his "family" instead of blaming Duke for his condition? Heck, what would happen if he succeeded given the importance both Duke and Ripcord had in saving the day during the climax of the film?
 

DhampyrX2

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RE: Misc, Ideas Thread

Just a quick imagining for my GI Joe idea...


"Who the Hell are you?" Duke demanded as the masked scientist McCullen had simply referred to as "Doctor" rambled at him about the power of nanites after he was strapped into the chair.

"Oh, I failed to introduce myself properly. How could I be so careless? Then again I could be a bit absent-minded at times, couldn't I, old friend?" the Doctor responded as he removed his mask an monocle to reveal a familiar, if heavily scarred, face.

"Rex? But... how? You died. They told Rip and I that you died," Duke whispered in shock.

Rex smiled before he replaced his breathing apparatus and monocle and responded, "I'm sure they did, Duke. They might even have believed it themselves at the time." He went on to explain his first encounter with Dr Mindbender and what he had discovered about the man's work with nanotech during the Gulf War. How they had been caught together in the air raid but had survived, though not without significant injury, thanks to the MARS Industries prototype bunker that had been Mindbender's lab.

Duke laid there in shocked silence before he finally asked, "Does Anna know?"

Rex paused for a moment before he regretfully responded, "No. It was too dangerous for her to know. Between what I was working on and McCullen's... interest in her I couldn't risk telling her. Instead she was... reconditioned and given training under Storm Shadow."

"Reconditioned. Rex, she's your sister! How could you!" Duke demanded as he struggled in his restraints.

"It was the best solution. The nanites in her blood maker her stronger, faster and more agile than she ever was. They protect her from harm and from the pain of her own broken heart. In return I can keep her safe here beside me," Rex justified with a shake of his head.

"So she can be McCullen's plaything while you help him with whatever he's doing?" Duke demanded.

"Research doesn't fund itself. And while she's here I can at least watch over her. Putting her in the field keeps her away from certain... attentions," Rex replied.

"Rex this isn't right, man. You know that," Duke insisted.

"Right and wrong are subjective Duke. And it's usually the winners of a conflict that determine which is which," Rex dismissed. "Besides, everything will be settled once and for all in a few hours."

"You really expect McCullen to win?" Duke demanded.

Rex chuckled as he replied, "I give his current plot a twenty percent chance, at best, given what I've seen the Joes accomplish. Adding you and Ripcord lowers that to ten percent. If Anna and Storm Shadow turn on us at an inopportune moment, less than five."

"What is that supposed to mean?" Duke asked.

"Storm Shadow, Anna's trainer and McCullen's personal top assassin, is rogue sleeper. He's just biding his time to kill Zartan for something from his youth. Frankly, beyond his ability to keep my baby sister alive I don't care enough about either of them to get involved. If you are hurt unduly or put into too much danger, Anna might be able to overwrite the programming in her nanites. I wrote a backdoor sub-routine into them to help her fight to keep you and Rip alive," Rex explained.

"Why?" Duke asked in confusion."

"I have never been a... sentimental man, Duke. I care for very little beyond science itself. After the deaths of our parents I watched out religiously for Anna. And I only let two people ever get close enough to us to truly call them friends. Two people that did not care about my genius and how it separated me from others. Two others besides my sister that saw me as just Rex and accepted me for what I was," Rex explained.

"Me and Ripcord," Duke whispered.

"Just so. And so I have very carefully played both sides against the middle to keep all three of you alive through McCullen's little game. And to make sure, how ever it turns out, that you stay that way. I do not easily relinquish what is mine, Duke. Especially not my family," Rex elaborated.

"Do you really think you'll get away with this Rex? Making me into some kind of human robot like those things Anna brought with her to the Pit?" Duke asked.

"Of course not. You, like Anna, will still have your mind. I'm just going to... expand it a bit. And make certain that you will be strong enough to never be taken from my sister's side again," Rex explained.

"If what you've said is true I don't think your boss will be all that happy with that plan, pal," Duke scoffed.

"And you're assuming that I, as the brains and power behind his forces and his little schemes, somehow care. He's a wallet, Duke, no more no less. You and Ripcord are family. I'm just watching out for my own," Rex leered back.
 

sith2886

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RE: Misc, Ideas Thread

I like this, I like this a lot
 

the DragonBard

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#9
What if the prophecy wasn't meant for Anakin to destroy the Sith, but to recreate the Je'Daii.

Perhaps the Force sends Force Ghosts to help train him, both Jedi and Sith, and from other Force traditions, like the White Current, and Je'Daii Temple Masters.
 

Lord of Bones

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#10
It has been more than 50 years since the defeat of the Yapool at the hands of Ultraman Ace. Licking their wounds and sending only token support to Belial's invasion, the Yapool have watched the new generation of Ultramen and the monsters they've fought with analytical eyes, as they study both hero and villain. Years after the last Ultraman leaves Earth, the Yapool deem the time is right. Having resurrected, enhanced and empowered many of their chojuu, the Yapool plan to unleash their creations on a world grown complacent.

When the Breach opens and the first kaiju is sent through, the Yapool stay their hand at this sudden spanner in their plans; choosing instead watch the new intruders and study the Jaegers. Reports start trickling in about kaiju corpses disappearing through dimensional rifts; eyewitness reports identify lightning bolts during clear skies and the sky cracking open to reveal eerie crimson nothingness.

Reports soon come in that new kaiju have started appearing at random locations, from cities to ports, armed with all sorts of firepower from nuclear-hot fire to organic missiles to medieval weaponry in place of limbs. Even worse, some are distinctly kaiju they've killed before that have been somehow resurrected and upgraded.

The Yapool will have their revenge.

The Great Chojuu Invasion has begun.

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Because fuck Mebius, that's why. I didn't need shounen "friendship is power" bullshit in my Ultraman; Leo verbally eviscerating Mebius was the highlight of the series.

And fuck the Worf Effect on Yapool too; these were the dudes who bartered with souls, used children as their pawns, and crucified the Ultra Brothers to troll Ace in their original appearances.
 

DhampyrX2

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#11
After seeing Despicable Me 2 I have this weird urge to write a crossover between Despicable Me and Megamind. Mostly because I could see Gru and Megamind being former colleagues in evil that have now been reformed. It's a very bare bones thought now, maybe them catching up while Gru is in Metro City with Lucy for AVL work or something.
 

DhampyrX2

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Okay I never looked at it closely in the first movie before, but take a look at this canon family tree for Felonius Gru in the first Despicable Me.



Anyone else notice the werewolf and the Frakenstein-esque monster and the multiple insane and/or scientist types there? It almost looks like it was Drawn for Girl Genius rather than Despicable Me. And it got me thinking, is Gru a Spark? How would he be able to balance the needs of the Madness Place with his desire to be a good father and put aside his villainy? In fact, how would that impact the Despicable Me universe in general? I would like to explore it, probably set either between the two movies or during the nebulous 147 dates before Gru and Lucy's marriage. But I would like some feedback on the concept and where it could go.
 

Emerald Oracle

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#13
The thing I Find interesting about that tree, is that if it's complete it means that Gru's Paternal grandfather was a Civil War Vet.
 

DhampyrX2

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#14
Had another weird Despicable Me thought. Once Gru and Lucy get married Gru and the girls should be eligible to be added to her health, dental, and life insurance through her position as an agent at the AVL. I just had an odd thought that the consultant that arrives to interview Gru and square away the paperwork could be Robert "Bob" Parr aka Mr Incredible. I know, I know different universes. Dreamworks vs. Disney, blah blah blah. But picture it. A recently "unretired" Bob showing up at Gru's house to work out insurance details with the new AVL family members only to discover a reformed supervillain that Mr Incredible may have tangled with in the past. The funniest thing is, I think they could end up inadvertently bonding over the trials and joys of fatherhood.
 

DhampyrX2

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And yet another Despicable me thought. This time, I got to thinking about how Gru reacted when he first discovered El Macho's plan and saw El Mach mutate Kevin. He cringed, backpedaled, and did everything he could to get out of there. That just didn't sit right with me. I mean, we've already had enough leaked about the upcoming Minion movie to know they like working for Gru so much because he was the first "evil master" to treat them well. Some might even say that his recruiting and employing all of the minions was Gru's first true act of kindness. Leaving them behind, even to try to get the girls out and inform the AVL, doesn't seem much like him. I mean, he didn't even get angry and go to confront El Macho until Dr. Nefario warned him that Lucy had been captured.

We know two things about Gru from the first movie. He takes care of his own and he will not take crap from anyone that isn't one of his own. This is the guy the froze Vector's head when he first met him because the little twerp was annoying him and he wanted him to shut up. In a super villain bank while waiting for a meeting, no less. And the things he did to rescue the girls go without saying. Now the minions have been under his care far longer than anyone else. I would more see Gru going into badass mode then and there and taking on El Macho where he would least expect it rather than hemming and hawing enough to make his enemy suspicious. Granted I think it would be a quick oneshot that started with "freeze ray" and ended with him asking how far Dr Nefario was with a cure for the mutagen (he would know his old friend long enough to trust he had been working on one) but that's where I would see it going. Which would also mean Lucy would arrive to find that Gru had single-handedly captured El Mach and gift-wrapped him for the AVL without the climactic scene to end the second movie but it would still fit better with Gru's personality.
 

DhampyrX2

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Weird Lion King thought. What if Scar survived? I mean really he took like two hard hits and a moderate fall from getting monkey flipped at worst before the hyena's turned on him. And there were like six others shown beyond the three major hyenas. Those are not impossible odds when he was holding his own against Simba, despite his age. So what would change had he lived? Simba had already given him exile because he didn't want to kill family. And we know from the second movie that he had a mate and small "pride" of his own. How would his survival have altered things?
 

DhampyrX2

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#17
Ok X:Men movie universe idea: Mystique actually looks out for her family. What if, during X2, Mystique called to warn Charles about Stryker targeting the Institute so that the kids could all be safely evacuated? I mean she had to know Magneto would not sell out a whole school full of young mutants unless something strange had been going on when she learned about it while Stryker was briefing the President and I can't see her accepting an impending attack on her childhood home, the only real home she ever knew in fact, like that. Granted, we're missing a huge bit of backstory between First Class and X1 that Days of Futures Past will try to fill in as to how she became so cold (re:an excuse as to why they never mentioned her adopted familial tie to Charles because it didn't exist in the movie universe yet) but this assumes she had a bout of conscience and either contacted Charles directly with her concerns or contacted Beast or Bashee to do it for her as they would be more likely to at least hear her out than anyone in the school other than Professor X. Heck, I could even see her calling in a tip to Moira.

Now, how does it change things where you have Stryker's assault coming up empty because Professor X and the others saw the whole mess coming?
 

bissek

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How would their universe change if Stryker got reprimanded after First Class for going over his superior's heads and making a deal he was not authorized to make with a hostile foreign government - a deal which nearly cost both sides an entire fleet, and wouldn't have worked even if it hadn't for obvious reasons: the nine mutants on the beach did not constitute the world's entire mutant population, and as most of them were not born of mutant parents, killing them would have only delayed the issues for a generation even if they were, rather than actually solving anything.
 

DhampyrX2

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Had a weird thought in regards to the Marvel movie Universe. Mostly in regard to an odd phenomenon in fanfiction and how it could be used to explain a few things. Namely "Tasertricks" or the pairing of Darcy Lewis with Loki. Now honestly, most Tasertricks pairings fit better and make slightly more sense than ones that try to force him together with either Jane or Sif (and I refuse to acknowledge the slash ones on principle) but it still doesn't make the kind of sense that's, you know, sensible.

Then I got to thinking about a few things. Like how Loki knew enough about modern Midgard that he's showing up in a SHIELD base where Thor is being held in a full three piece suit. Or why a poli-sci major like Darcy (and how interesting that she is studying the inner working of something like politics) would become the assistant and intern to a physicist on the cusp of discovering how to generate her own version of the Bifrost.

And it made me wonder. What if Darcy is not what she appears to be? What if she was the reason that Loki seemed to know far more about modern Midgard than Thor and the others by a wide margin? What if she was, in fact, Sigyn in disguise? We can assume that Loki's wife, a sorceress well versed in the use of seidr in her own right, could craft an illusion to disguise herself as well as anyone. And that Thor, de-powered and mortal as he was might not be able to see through it. Lord knows he could never seem to see through any of Loki's tricks. And it would make a sick kind of sense that Odin would send his exiled son to the exact location where he could have one potential ally to help him adjust to life in Midgard, namely his sister-in-law.

Now I figure "Darcy" is actually there in part to keep watch over Jane as the thought of Midgard developing a rudimentary Bifrost on its own would be a source of some concerns for the Realm Eternal. It would also give insight into why she thought Thor and Jane getting together was such a good thing. What kind of sister-in-law would she be if she didnt try to match-make her new best friend with her dearest husband's brother?

Now granted, this is all a very bare bones thought right now but I'd like to hear speculation on it and see where it could go. Any thoughts out there among the hive-mind?
 
#20
That, hmm, that's interesting. The only real factors against as far as I can see is that Marvel Sigyn is kinda... not happily married with Loki? Certainly not to the degree that mythological Sigyn is. In fairness though, her being on earth makes more sense if it's some plan of Loki's rather than Thor's given that in the myths, which I assume are the primary inspiration here, her first loyalty by far is to Loki above Odin. The whole stringing up your husband with the innards of your son thing is a bit of a loyalty breaker.
 

DhampyrX2

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#21
Well even in Marvel Sigyn has accidentally killed Donald Blake in hopes of taking him hostage to get Loki returned to her when he was incorporeal or dead at the time. (I can't quite remember which. I just know she botched the attempt, killed Blake, and replaced him with a magical clone with nobody being the wiser until they needed Blake for something and found out he was a fake.) So even in Marvel she has demonstrated devotion toward and love for Loki. She might not always agree with him and his choices but she still stands with him when it counts. Also, prior to Thor I, Loki was in good standing in Asgard. He didn't really go off the rails there until he learned of his Jotunn heritage, so it might not be impossible that she is there at the behest of Loki and the Allfather in a way that is very on the up and up. If I were Odin I would certainly trust Loki to handle the espionage side of ruling a kingdom instead of Thor as he was in the first movie.

Here I would assume that Vali and Nari/Narfi have not yet been born. And depending on where you set things Darcy/Sigyn could have several different scenarios that have her pulling her proverbial hair out at how crazy her husband is acting. And if Loki explains himself expecting her to reject him for being "the monster parents tell their children about at night" I think he'll be in for a rude awakening. If anything I would see Darcy/Sigyn pushing a third point of view other than supporting Odin or making war with the worlds. Namely, "Screw them; we'll stay together here and they can rot 'till Ragnarok comes."
 

Prince Charon

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#22
Sigyn being the goddess of loyalty (or something like that), I can easily believe her taking that option.
 

DhampyrX2

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#23
Goddess of Fidelity. Which implies that when the chips are down she will support Loki above anyone else. Even in the comics she was thrilled when he would show her the tiniest scrap of attention between his schemes. Although given that movie Loki is a much more sympathetic character I would see their relationship being a little more functional than it was in 616 canon. For one thing, you give her an actual personality with Darcy, which would be fun. Someone that could actually match wits with Loki in a positive manner and enjoy his sarcasm would be a welcome change. And just picture her showing up in either the tower or the Helicarrier demanding to know what is going on in her husband's head. Or Loki rolling his eyes in in consternation as she lectures in him front of his not-brother and his adversaries.



"Thor, are you just going to stand there gaping while like a fish at all of this?"

"I was not aware that the Lady Darcy was your beloved Sigyn in disguise, Loki."

"Yes, well you've always been a little slow on the uptake. Or did you really think Odin would not have eyes on two Midgardians close to cracking the secrets of the Bifrost? And really, other than her height and clothing she hardly changed her appearance at all."

"Well I did change my hairstyle. And my nose a little. Nothing too drastic, though. And in Thor's defense he was mortal at the time and the Allfather did tell me not to reveal myself while I kept an eye on him. Oh, and we'll be having words about the Destroyer too, honey."

"<sigh> Yes dear. And there is never any defense for Thor's stupidity, my love."

"You really think pet names and sweet talk is going to help you now?"

"They do not refer to me as Silvertongue across most of the nine for nothing."
 

DhampyrX2

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#24
Was watching the first movie in the Dark Knight trilogy tonight on cable. Anyone else wonder how the future movies would have played out if the Lazarus Pits were in play and Talia could have revived Ra's?
 

nixofcyzerra

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#25
What would the MCU universe be like if Steve Rogers wasn't frozen in ice, and was rescued at the end of the first film? The Super Soldier Serum might arrest his ageing, so he could still be around 70+ years later. Would Commander Rogers be the head of SHIELD? Would Bruce have become the Hulk if Steve was around as a basis for Super-Soldier research? Would Tony Stark be the same man if Howard had had Steve around to stop him becoming an ass-hole and, as implied, an emotionally abusive father?

Edit: 4 out of the 6 members of the MCU Avengers had or probably had alcoholic, abusive fathers. That's kind of depressing.

Double-edit: And 2 of those 4, and another, were orphaned as a very young children, some of them possibly as toddlers. Jesus.
 
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