Miscellaneous ideas topic.

nick012000

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So, thoughts about Persona/Berserk crossover: Obviously Rickert and Casca would get their Personas when Guts and Rickert go into the Shadow Realm to try to heal Casca's mind, but what would their Shadows and Personas be like? Which Arcana might they have?

What about Jill, the girl from the Fairy Queen arc? She's pretty much half-way there by the end of the arc; all she'd need is an encounter with her Shadow so she could accept it and she'd be ready to go. I don't even think there'd be a boss battle, unless it wound up coming out in the middle of the fight with the fairy queen. Which is entirely possible, because if you're going to upgrade the heroes, upgrading their opposition is also necessary if you're going to maintain dramatic tension - and a three-way battle between the Shadow, the fake Faeries, and the Black Swordsmen would be pretty epic.

The moment Farneze gets her Persona is pretty obvious; rather than getting possessed by that spirit and mounting Gut's sword, she denies that it's her, and winds up spawning a Shadow bossfight, right when that knight of hers comes riding up. Maybe she gets a Persona that focuses on healing, because LOLirony.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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Dark Knight Gafgar said:
that Knights of Blood dude that looked like Iskander, Kuradeel.....
wait, wasn't Kuradeel the one that looked like Iskander? Who are you talking about?
 
daniel_gudman said:
Dark Knight Gafgar said:
that Knights of Blood dude that looked like Iskander, Kuradeel.....
wait, wasn't Kuradeel the one that looked like Iskander? Who are you talking about?
No, Kuradeel was the former PKer who was Asuna's 'bodyguard' and stalker. The guy who killed the Iskander lookalike, tried to kill Kirito, and got Flash Step'd by Asuna.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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Didn't Kuradeel kill that Recruitment Officer that was out on a walkabout with Kirito and stuff?

He didn't kill anybody that looked like Alexander the Great....
 
daniel_gudman said:
Didn't Kuradeel kill that Recruitment Officer that was out on a walkabout with Kirito and stuff?

He didn't kill anybody that looked like Alexander the Great....
<a href='http://randomc.net/image/Sword%20Art%20Online/Sword%20Art%20Online%20-%2010%20-%20Large%2021.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Godfrey, Recruitment Officer of the Knights of Blood.</a>

<a href='http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121115221028/typemoon/images/a/a5/Ridernomantle.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Fate/Zero's Rider, AKA Alexander the Great.</a>
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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oooh, okay.

I was assuming you meant the real Alexander the Great, who basically looked nothing like the one in Fate Zero.
 

zeebee1

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Outside of Fate/Zero have you ever heard of Alexander the Great called Iksander?
 

Antimatter

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zeebee1 said:
Outside of Fate/Zero have you ever heard of Alexander the Great called Iksander?
From wiki:

Iskandar or Eskandar (Persian: ???????) is the Persian version of the name Alexander, after Alexander the Great. It is used as a male first name in Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia.
 

Prince Charon

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Dark Knight Gafgar said:
<a href='http://randomc.net/image/Sword%20Art%20Online/Sword%20Art%20Online%20-%2010%20-%20Large%2021.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Godfrey, Recruitment Officer of the Knights of Blood.</a>
Image, even when the link is copypasted, goes to a 'no hotlinking' image.

Pasting it into a different browser works, though.
 

nick012000

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Random idea: Berserk/real life crossover. The moment when Griffith brings about the new world by killing the not-Indian emperor, some omnipotent asshole like Q decides to fuse the world of Berserk with that of the real world, with the metaphysics of the latter carrying over to the former. This means that sufficiently well-known storybook beings suddenly come into existence. Superman, Kamen Rider, Darth Vader, Char Aznaple...
 

DhampyrX2

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I have a strange urge to write a version of the Robotech conclusion where they follow the Macross storyline that the SDF-1 and the Bridge crew all survive. I hate seeing good bridge bunnies wasted and Claudia was awesome.
 

wingthesword

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Question:What would happen if Kamijou Touma was bitten by a vaampire?

There's a theory out there that his body is immune to passive effects of supernatural things, such as the heat from Incendious.

The question then might be, is a vampire's bite turning a human a passive effect?

Because of Touma's bad luck, and his desire to help people when he runs across a blond limbless woman who wants him to help her I wonder what would happen.

Yep a Monogatari/To Aru cross.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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I would probably hazard to guess that the magical curse transformation into a vampire would be nullified.

Actually would Imagine Breaker erase a Kai...?

Would he get forcibly drafted by those Guillotine Church guys as the perfect anti-oddity operator...?
 
Right so new idea I had that wouldn't let go, it needs some work but the basic idea is Jason Brody post-FarCry3 unable to return to normal human society eventually ends up back in another jungle, an urban jungle we all know as Roanapur.

Yup. Farcry3 & Black lagoon

He's found his home but somehow his reputation gets out as it always inevitably does, some want him dead, others want him gone, and still others want him with them.

The way I figure Jason Brody is about as dangerous as the killer maid, Roberta.
 

Herdo

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A short and simple One Piece idea:

The readers would follow several minor characters (OC pirate captains, marines, civilians, etc.) who have just entered or live in the New World as they explore the territories and effects and implications of the Emperors rule/tyranny.
A few examples:
A OC rookie pirate captain enters a inn in the beginning of the New World and after a few drinks proclaim that he will become Pirate King. The inn goes silent and the innkeeper/bartender warns him of speaking such phrases, for the Emperors have no desire for competition and then give him foreboding information about them.

A civilian sees country guards beat up a family man because he tried to object against them taking all the food supplies from his family, ensuring that they would starve, all for the sake of appeasing the hunger and greed of Big Mam.

A marine warship on their way to an island to protect it from pirates can't find it anymore, despite that they should be at it according to the map. A young man takes a glance into the ocean and sees a bloated corpse of a human floating around in the waves. Now aware he notices that the sea floor is odd, and soon they realize that they were too late. Blackbeard had already forced the island to the bottom of the sea, sparing none of the citizen.

The fic, full of depressing and horrifying news and implications should end with an inspiring and hopeful scene of the Straw hat and Heart Pirate Alliance approaching the island fortress of Kaido, ready to take him down and begin the ending of the Emperors' Era.
 

Antimatter

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For some time, i've been playing around with a concept for an original magical girl universe.

The basis of it was thus: Some time ago, like 25-30 years ago, a threat started to appear, mainly in japan it seemed. The treat was in the form of monstrous beings, some small, some large, that seemed more or less immune to traditional forces. Not sure on the name so far, but lets call them shadows till someone else has a better one.

Salvation came in the form of the first magical girls. Each one was paired to a seemingly invincible animal like companion, who acts in an intelligent manner, ie they can talk, etc. These were the physical representations of beings who stood opposed to the shadows, and who granted the magical girls their powers.

Now, the various girls had some things in common. All were granted increases physical attributes: speed, strength, senses, etc, in various degrees between them. All were also granted a different supernatural ability. Most were from various locations in japan, but a few were from outside it, mainly south Korea and Siberia, and a couple were actually exchange students in various cities. None had, to outside analysts, anything personally in common, save for a few traits. All had, in one way or another, a sense of justice and courage, and all were aged 13-19.

Each girl represented an archetype, with a different power set. Examples:

Elementalist: control over the five classic elements: earth, air, fire, water, and lightning.

Arcanist: control over 'arcane energies', which took various forms, but defied classification. think one part green lanturn, one part Rose form street fighter, etc. Can form and use constructs of arcane energies.

Mentalist: telepathy, telekinesis, mind reading memory rewrites, you name it.

Controller: could command plants and animals to do her will, and communicate with them. Could cause plants to grow, First hokage style. Can empower, temporary, animals with magical attributes. This had the result of changing their sizes in many cases.

Spectrum manipulator: another curious one, she could bend and redirect electromagnetic forces, along much fot he specrtrum. She also served as a source for many of them. There was limits to how much power she could self create though, but she coudl redirect it from any source, and focus it to a lasers point if she so wished. She also could wrap them around her, or bend them t make herself seemingly vanish, or project illusions, like a hologram at a line of sight distance.

summoner: Could summon physical weapons by pure will, with the requirement of having to understand, at an advanced level, how their structures were built. Highest physical attributes of any archetype, but the least flashy power. Unlike normal weapons, summoned ones were effective against shadows.

Now, these girls, after each ones discovery, were eventually able to band together, and defeat, what they thought was the root of the shadows power. They may have appeared, at least at first, as a united group, but there was some notable infighting, which later became public after the treat was dealt with. The group later split up to do their own thing and mop up the various shadow leftovers and hold outs. There were celebrated as celebrities to the public, and every girl, seemingly, dreamed of joining their ranks.

It seemed like, for years, the threat had been dealt with, and the girls regulated more to public symbols then a fighting force, and many further drifted apart.

That is, until the present. four years ago, the shadows returned. Instead of a focus in one area like before, they seemed to pup up all around the pacific rim. The archetypes were now much older, and far too few to handle the threat.

You see, the shadows hadn't been defeated, and the 'finalboss' the girls killed was important, but more like the general of an army, and well, those are replaceable. The shadows had come to the conclusion that a champion was needed, like the ones being used against them, and indeed, found a candidate and created the first dark magical girl archetype. They had intended to use her to defeat the archetypes, but she correctly pointed out she was just one girl, outnumbered, even with a shadow army. Instead, she convinced them to play the long game, build up forces, and the archetype forces. Impressed by her ambition, they gave her what she needed to enact her plan.

The root of it was simple: attack over a wide area, with a multitude of forces. To lead the, she would need Lieutenant, and thus, she got them to create less magical girls with powers with a more limited scope.

This seemed to be working, and they seemed to be pushing back the archetypes, now older and in some ways, less effective.

Luckily, their benefactors did not stand by ideally, and replicated the Lieutenant strategy, by creating score of their own magical girls, with similar powers based off the archetypes, but more limited in scope. For example, a lt grade Elementalist may only have control over a single element. A Mentalist may only be a telepathy, or an controller may only be able to control certain classes of plants or animals, etc and so forth.

More later, as I've got some ideas about specific magical girls of note, powers, etc. Wanted to see what you guys thought first. and well, it's lunch time and i'm hungry.

Thus, the world seems to be in a state of equilibrium. magical girls fighting an army of shadows lead by dark magical girls, with neither side seemingly to do much besides hold their ground and try to wear the other one down.
 

daniel_gudman

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"Rifles are scary", that's my first reaction.

But guns can't hurt magic--

"REALLY scary."

Well, even more than that, you're handing four years to every scientist in the whole entire world for them to compete at the game called "win six Nobel Prizes for figuring out magic".

So my first suggestion is keep all of us Muggles out of it with the Urban Fantasy Masquerade or something unless you want the President of the United States to be like "No. There is no need for teenaged girls to fight to protect adults. We have the Marine Core with MAGITECH BEAMU GUNS. And tanks planes and missiles, too, just in case."

Why are the Shadows invading? Are they fleeing a dying world? ...Are they refuges desperately escaping their native-dimension Magic Girls? Well, they possess the intelligence and communication ability to bargain with a Magical Girl.

What are the Shadows after? If they suckle on life force or something, could I (as Some Dude) enter a mutually beneficial agreement where I feed it my excess energy (food calories are cheap) in exchange for magical power I wouldn't otherwise have?

Where are these Mascot Characters coming from?
 

Antimatter

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Actually, part of the point was that people are fully aware of the shadows, the magical girls etc. In some ways, they are the ultimate idol figures, and some love to play that up. Others don't, and try to maintain something of a private life, as if that's possible. Think of the adoration folks healp upon heroic figures like the military, combined with how we treat pop idols, celebrities, etc. Girls and boys fantasize about them, people cheer on cheer every battle, and every young girl dreams of becoming one. At least at first. At at least publicly.

But yeah, there are many forces out there that hate being upstaged by a bunch of teenage girls, even worse when 25 years later they still cannot mount any major defense against the shadows, and once again find themselves playing second fiddle. They have learned a lot about the enemy, and what they represent, but actual motives for the attacks, and nature of how one is magically enhanced is still a mystery.

Those factors become more and more important as they realize that they aren't in a monster of the week format any more, but rather, in something that is increasingly looking like full sale war.

The mascots are basically the physical representation of a benefactor, possibly by merging themselves with an earth animal, or at least taking the same form as it, transformer style. No one knows what they originally look like, and they don't always hang around 24/7. They never directly interfere, no matter how bad things get.

Shadows cannot perfectly emulate a form, but instead, they posses, and then twist the form into something more suited to their designs. Their early attacks seemed to be a 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks' and was very disorganized. Once the dark Archetype and her dark magical girls enter the scene, things took more a turn from a design philosophy of 'this stick didn't work, need a bigger stick' to 'this stick didn't work, I need a better stick', with deadly results.

The shadows main motives? I'm still trying to peace that together. Humans go to war for certain reasons, usually rooting in the fact that group A has something group be wants, or group A is doing something group B finds objectionable. Ether your fighting for resources, or your finding for human capitol. I imagine the shadows are the same.

The question is, what do they want, if they indeed want anything. Maybe this isn't an invasion at all, or at least, the shadows aren't the one invading. Maybe its a pissing match between two supernatural, or at least, advanced species, with mankind and the earth in the middle?

This is one of the areas i'm really stuck on. I have a good idea what shadows can do, ditto for benefactors, and for what the magical girls can and cannot do, but figuring out an exact motivation for the war is troublesome. Idealy, it needs to not be black and white, good versus evil stuff, that's too cliche.
 

daniel_gudman

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Well... I'm not a member of the military or anything like that; but, as an adult, if a teenaged girl protected me from monsters, I would thank her appropriately, but afterwards I would feel ashamed because it's the role of adults to protect the children.

So I might cheer for them and praise their courage, but afterwards, I would call my senator and say, "listen, I am a voter and a taxpayer and I say, this is broke. Fix it with money and science."

Well, from another perspective, I'm uncomfortable with militarily significant power that's outside the accountability of a government. That basically makes them a paramilitary militia, and those are usually pretty suspicious. Not that governments are all sparkles and rainbows, but compared to militias....



The shadows main motives? I'm still trying to peace that together. Humans go to war for certain reasons, usually rooting in the fact that group A has something group be wants, or group A is doing something group B finds objectionable. Ether your fighting for resources, or your finding for human capitol. I imagine the shadows are the same.

The question is, what do they want, if they indeed want anything. Maybe this isn't an invasion at all, or at least, the shadows aren't the one invading. Maybe its a pissing match between two supernatural, or at least, advanced species, with mankind and the earth in the middle?
Hmm... maybe the Mascot Species are the ones that opened the door that allowed the Shadows through, so they feel guilty and responsible?

The mascots are basically the physical representation of a benefactor, possibly by merging themselves with an earth animal, or at least taking the same form as it, transformer style. No one knows what they originally look like, and they don't always hang around 24/7. They never directly interfere, no matter how bad things get.

Shadows cannot perfectly emulate a form, but instead, they posses, and then twist the form into something more suited to their designs.
"Mascots" who merge with an animal or take the same form and "Shadows" who possess with imperfect emulation...

Are these the same species? Or rather, is this the difference between two different kinds of ant?

Organisms that, lacking "shape" or "form", have to take the form of another organism to prevent themselves from dissolving into nothingness and dying... how are Mascots and Shadows different, anyway?

Are Shadows parasites that can only choose between stealing "form" and starvation?

"Physical representation of the benefactor"... is the difference that the Mascots are just remote drones controlled from a distance, whereas the shadows are all individuals with their own will?

To go for some Platonism, the reason Mascots don't "corrode" their host is because they don't have their own ego, whereas the "Shadows" as fully realized individuals, naturally destroy their host with friction between the native will and theirs?

If I was terminally ill and gave my body to a shadow, would I be able to live on through it, at least a little bit? Or rather, if someone willingly gave their "form" to a Shadow, would the Shadow be "perfect"?
 

PCHeintz72

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Well, from another perspective, I'm uncomfortable with militarily significant power that's outside the accountability of a government. That basically makes them a paramilitary militia, and those are usually pretty suspicious. Not that governments are all sparkles and rainbows, but compared to militias....
Heh...

While most shows portray them as helping the civilians... very few magical girl shows care about the legality of their operations, or even care about the government of the territory they operate in. I'm not talking the good or bad they do, merely the way they operate...

In a standard magical girl show like Sailor Moon, where they take out monsters in the streets of a city were the mudane or normal or muggle live no matter their speeches or intents they are in truth mostly operating as non-citizen vigilantes... Vigilantes due to not being connected to the legitimate government by way of military or police... and non-citizens because they openly follow their princess, a foreign monarch...

MGLN seasons 1 and 2 they are also vigilantes in canon even though connected to the TSAB, because while the TSAB may be military or law enforcement by Midchlidean law, they have no such agreement to be operating in Japan by Japanese law...

Really, American cartoons are guilty of this as well... Batman for example, for all its popularity, does not have him truly aligned with the government, instead merely giving them an ability to contact him...

I'd dearly love to see a anime show where in canon magical girls seek out and join up with the government for the good of both in their attempts to aid humanity and the city/country they live in...

Sadly, I do not see it happening any time soon...
 

Antimatter

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daniel_gudman said:
Well... I'm not a member of the military or anything like that; but, as an adult, if a teenaged girl protected me from monsters, I would thank her appropriately, but afterwards I would feel ashamed because it's the role of adults to protect the children.

So I might cheer for them and praise their courage, but afterwards, I would call my senator and say, "listen, I am a voter and a taxpayer and I say, this is broke. Fix it with money and science."

Well, from another perspective, I'm uncomfortable with militarily significant power that's outside the accountability of a government. That basically makes them a paramilitary militia, and those are usually pretty suspicious. Not that governments are all sparkles and rainbows, but compared to militias....



The shadows main motives? I'm still trying to peace that together. Humans go to war for certain reasons, usually rooting in the fact that group A has something group be wants, or group A is doing something group B finds objectionable. Ether your fighting for resources, or your finding for human capitol. I imagine the shadows are the same.

The question is, what do they want, if they indeed want anything. Maybe this isn't an invasion at all, or at least, the shadows aren't the one invading. Maybe its a pissing match between two supernatural, or at least, advanced species, with mankind and the earth in the middle?
Hmm... maybe the Mascot Species are the ones that opened the door that allowed the Shadows through, so they feel guilty and responsible?

The mascots are basically the physical representation of a benefactor, possibly by merging themselves with an earth animal, or at least taking the same form as it, transformer style. No one knows what they originally look like, and they don't always hang around 24/7. They never directly interfere, no matter how bad things get.

Shadows cannot perfectly emulate a form, but instead, they posses, and then twist the form into something more suited to their designs.
"Mascots" who merge with an animal or take the same form and "Shadows" who possess with imperfect emulation...

Are these the same species? Or rather, is this the difference between two different kinds of ant?

Organisms that, lacking "shape" or "form", have to take the form of another organism to prevent themselves from dissolving into nothingness and dying... how are Mascots and Shadows different, anyway?

Are Shadows parasites that can only choose between stealing "form" and starvation?

"Physical representation of the benefactor"... is the difference that the Mascots are just remote drones controlled from a distance, whereas the shadows are all individuals with their own will?

To go for some Platonism, the reason Mascots don't "corrode" their host is because they don't have their own ego, whereas the "Shadows" as fully realized individuals, naturally destroy their host with friction between the native will and theirs?

If I was terminally ill and gave my body to a shadow, would I be able to live on through it, at least a little bit? Or rather, if someone willingly gave their "form" to a Shadow, would the Shadow be "perfect"?
All very good concepts and ideas, really.

Lets play with these for a while.

1. Same species theory: this was part of the original concept in fact, or at least, they are familiar with each others motivations. The idea that one is responsible for the other being there is also a good plot point. It may be as simple as trying to correct a mistake, but don't assume guilt has anything to do with it. Guilt is a human emotion, and mascots and shadows are anything but human.

2. The issue with the military and police forces is well, it's quite the ego blow when a teenage girl can do what the world most technological, battle hardened, and most well funded forces are helpless against. there is also a very real fear that these girls could be easily turned against their fellow man post conflict. The originals were subject to such regulation meant to keep them out of conflicts after the original crisis. Didn't help matters that four of the six were all citizens of a nation with no formal military, and the other two were foreigners whose nations wanted them back.

There is also the issue of how the nations plan to use heir magical girl resources, and that could result in them being volunteered into some sort of force, with a loose definition of that term. There is also the issue of what a benefactor thinks is a useful person is not also what the governments would chose. There is a method behind their selections though. IT ties into what powers they posses. Governments haven't been able to predict which candidates are on the table, and the benefactors refuse to disclose things. You just wake up one day, or night, and there they are, offering you the job. Most take it without thinking. Many later regret that choice. Some don't get the chance too.

3. A shadow's abilities and a benefactors are based on the same sort of skill, with different motivations, rules, and effectiveness. This is why the shadows were later able to make their own magical girls, though, they still make lesser forms as well. There is a reason for this.

There is also a method behind the shadows choices of candidates, and even host organisms for lesser forms. You are fairly close, in that it comes down to your willingness to join both causes, and other factors they can use to entice you. A magical girls body is a miracle, and well, that has benefits to it. Not only the sick and needy are enlisted though. It seems to defy easy sorting, but there is a method to it.
 
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