Miscellanious Nanoha Ideas

[Leidolf]

With other destructive magic and countless lost logia that can destroy worlds, the idea of using nuclear power magic is/might be pretty obselete or even very low tech. I could imagine OC helping out with allies and enemies thinking, "What cave did this person come from." Or something.

Err, those Lost Logia are nearly useless or outright unstable. The most destructive thing they have is the Arc En Ciel which generates little fallout. They literally have no weapons that could be used to render a planet uninhabitable, whereas nukes can...

I don't think they see mass weapons as low tech, specially when most of their technology is magitek. They are more likely to see it as "pure technology" or as "savage" much like how Romans viewed Greeks as barbarians for using archers...

In the event that they aren't unstable or useless, you can't have them lying around anyway. Considering the supposed scale of the conflict, they had planet busting left and right. That sort of thing gets locked away in some secret location or destroyed immediately when found.

In the case of the useless ones though, they can sell those. Yuuno's cameo in StrikerS (because apparently he and Chrono have been replaced by Erio) was him basically at an event doing that.

And "Girls beating on each other" is the exact premise of Vivid. They just call it befriending.

 

[Van Silverlight]

Aside from dangerous artifacts from the past, do they (TSAB) sealed off Forbidden/Dangerous Magic too?

I mean the non-Mid Childa ones, the ones that are not based on Mid-Childa. They cannot be reset to stun or non-lethal mode. The users can only reduce the amount of magic energy used to prevent the magic attack from killing the targets.

Also, are there any rules that stated mages that cannot use Mid- Childa magic or any other non-lethal magic are forbid from entering TSAB?

This OC I'm creating will not be replacing any characters in Original series (OS), God forbid. I'm putting him in to deal with the "dark side" of TSAB while our heroines will deal with the enemies on the "brighter side" and front lines. I will not, in any way, put him in romantic relationship with any characters from OS, God forbid. Maybe he will be sort of a "mentor" to the young cast as he is a lot older than them and discussing issues with them but that its. No wishy washy forcing romantic relationships or things like "I'll love you" or other stupid stuff.

The most troublesome problem now is how to make him as humanly possible and with flaws and virtues? Granted, virtues can be done but flaws, how to present them to readers? Do I have to show that he is suck in specific areas that are non-combat stuff or do I have to show him that he sucks in specific combat stuff too?

 

[TwoZeroTwo]

The most troublesome problem now is how to make him as humanly possible and with flaws and virtues? Granted, virtues can be done but flaws, how to present them to readers? Do I have to show that he is suck in specific areas that are non-combat stuff or do I have to show him that he sucks in specific combat stuff too?

I'm a little confused by your last sentence but I'll try and talk about this, and maybe I will help or maybe I'll miss the point.

I try to think of OCs by asking "what can they do that the normal characters can't?". Now, before you flinch at that, I think we all know the absolute WORST answer is "beat the bad guy cuz my guy is way stronger." I'm thinking more "what function does this character have that isn't filled by someone else"? And actually, setting this in Nanoha makes this fun because the actual main characters are, like, the strongest people in the universe so if your guy is too strong and too good at everything, it's more of a problem here that if this were some other series. But it seems like you're already thinking of that, which is good.

So basically, what role does your character play that compliments what everyone else does and doesn't just replace a position? Not really asking you to tell us, but just asking it for you to think about. If you like the answer, I think things will be okay there.

Now for the virtues vs flaws, don't feel like you have to have scenes that are just there to show how balanced your guy is. Let it develop and something can become a big deal if it needs to.

Also, for balancing flaws and virtues, think about this: I don't think anyone knows anybody who is the absolute best or worst at anything. Most people are mediocre at a lot of things with a few things they're good at and a few things they're bad at. Why does your guy suck at all these things? If your guy needs to be really BAD at something, you should think and justify that just as much as something he's really good at. And once you have a good character, the answers come quickly and everything makes sense.

Last, and this is a personal thing, don't write an OC bio and share it, don't spend paragraphs on how they look, just give a few details then let them start doing stuff, write what is needed (aka why they do what they do) and we can infer the rest. That is, personally, the best way to bring an OC in (for me). I hope this sounded good.

 

[Van Silverlight]

Now for the virtues vs flaws, don't feel like you have to have scenes that are just there to show how balanced your guy is. Let it develop and something can become a big deal if it needs to.

Could you explain this part more clearly? I'm kinda confused.

Last, and this is a personal thing, don't write an OC bio and share it, don't spend paragraphs on how they look, just give a few details then let them start doing stuff, write what is needed (aka why they do what they do) and we can infer the rest. That is, personally, the best way to bring an OC in (for me). I hope this sounded good.

Does the backstory of how OC become the way he is now is count as OC bio? Is it not unnecessary to tell the readers this? The reason I ask this is because I want to include about how TSAB was formed in his backstory. This is also one of the troublesome parts because if I don't pay attention, the parts that should focus on the formation of TSAB have the possibilities to "unintentionally" shift it focus toward OC involvement making it a story that revolves around OC rather than revolve around formation of TSAB and that would be shitty.

Anyway, I'm very, very grateful to you. I don't know how to tell you how much I appreciate your advices!

 

[TwoZeroTwo]

Could you explain this part more clearly? I'm kinda confused.

You wrote "do I have to show that he sucks [at doing these things]" and I took that as you asking 'do I need to prove that he's balanced by showing that he's bad at these certain things'. I'd like to think I have an open mind going in to your story and you shouldn't have to win me over by going "see, he has problems! Do you see that?".

Does the backstory of how OC become the way he is now is count as OC bio? Is it not unnecessary to tell the readers this? The reason I ask this is because I want to include about how TSAB was formed in his backstory. This is also one of the troublesome parts because if I don't pay attention, the parts that should focus on the formation of TSAB have the possibilities to "unintentionally" shift it focus toward OC involvement making it a story that revolves around OC rather than revolve around formation of TSAB and that would be shitty.

Anyway, I'm very, very grateful to you. I don't know how to tell you how much I appreciate your advices!

No, when I say OC bio I mean the dumb stuff you see where people just drop a bunch of stats down like such:

Name: Hermaediyousse Riggsbeet
Eyes: Black with fire pupils
Age: 16
Bio: After his parents died and he was pushed into a locker at the age of 3, he yada yada yada...

I mentioned that this was a personal thing that bugs me. And yeah, personally, if I see bios like that anywhere, I assume you weren't able to actually convey any of that to me in the story. But yeah, if your guy has a background that's relevant to what's going on, make sure we learn about that. Just, like, not from your author profile.

Here, PM me if you want to continue this or think I should see details. I don't want to take over a thread if other stuff is going on.

 

[Van Silverlight]

Seeing this thread entirely/ mostly dead, I decide to bring it back by sharing an idea, swapping nanoverse characters with blazblue characters, who with who...

For first try, I'll take the three M.Heroine and swap them with NOL trio, Fate as Noel, Hayate as Makoto, Nanoha as Tsubaki...

 

[Epsilon]

Seeing this thread entirely/ mostly dead, I decide to bring it back by sharing an idea, swapping nanoverse characters with blazblue characters, who with who...

For first try, I'll take the three M.Heroine and swap them with NOL trio, Fate as Noel, Hayate as Makoto, Nanoha as Tsubaki...

Honestly, the thought of fusing BB/MGLN sorta crossed my mind. One idea had Yuuno as a child being sent to the NOL and returning years later as Ax Crazy Jin. 

Also played with the idea of Yuuno's green chains acting like Ouroboros and giving him a Hazama style (or Terumi if he really cuts loose).

 

[AJ_Katon]

Seeing this thread entirely/ mostly dead, I decide to bring it back by sharing an idea, swapping nanoverse characters with blazblue characters, who with who...

For first try, I'll take the three M.Heroine and swap them with NOL trio, Fate as Noel, Hayate as Makoto, Nanoha as Tsubaki...

Honestly, the thought of fusing BB/MGLN sorta crossed my mind. One idea had Yuuno as a child being sent to the NOL and returning years later as Ax Crazy Jin. 

Also played with the idea of Yuuno's green chains acting like Ouroboros and giving him a Hazama style (or Terumi if he really cuts loose).

I'd like to help you expand on this honestly. Like when would you want the Hazama/Yuuno change to take place and what grand scheme could he be making in the background?

 

[vic-vic]

Vice better suit into terumi's role - they even share the same VA in Japan. Though it could be fun to see Yuuno and Vice being local Relius Clover/Terumi duo (albeit, they're good guys).

 

[Epsilon]

Vice better suit into terumi's role - they even share the same VA in Japan. Though it could be fun to see Yuuno and Vice being local Relius Clover/Terumi duo (albeit, they're good guys).

So if we go by your concept, Yuuno becomes a CHAR and uses a puppet to fight?

 

[AJ_Katon]

Vice better suit into terumi's role - they even share the same VA in Japan. Though it could be fun to see Yuuno and Vice being local Relius Clover/Terumi duo (albeit, they're good guys).

So if we go by your concept, Yuuno becomes a CHAR and uses a puppet to fight?

Does he change personalities when he puts on the mask? Does he turn Arf into a puppet?

 

[Epsilon]

Why would Yuuno change personalities? Unless it's one of those magical masks that amplifies his curiosity at the cost of his empathy.

 

[vic-vic]

No I meant Yuuno with Relius Clover's power and abilities but with the same personality we know and love

Same with Vice (though it would be just great if Vice would wear from time to time terumi cool suit)

 

[Epsilon]

No I meant Yuuno with Relius Clover's power and abilities but with the same personality we know and love

Same with Vice (though it would be just great if Vice would wear from time to time terumi cool suit)

Okay, Yuuno with the Char mask and a doll to fight for him. What next? A series of Murakumo units that he creates based off Nanoha's data that does both sword and beam spam?

 

[AJ_Katon]

No I meant Yuuno with Relius Clover's power and abilities but with the same personality we know and love

Same with Vice (though it would be just great if Vice would wear from time to time terumi cool suit)

Okay, Yuuno with the Char mask and a doll to fight for him. What next? A series of Murakumo units that he creates based off Nanoha's data that does both sword and beam spam?

Because that won't have hilarious but uncomfortable implications. 

 

[Van Silverlight]

No I meant Yuuno with Relius Clover's power and abilities but with the same personality we know and love

Same with Vice (though it would be just great if Vice would wear from time to time terumi cool suit)

Okay, Yuuno with the Char mask and a doll to fight for him. What next? A series of Murakumo units that he creates based off Nanoha's data that does both sword and beam spam?

I like Yuuno as Terumi/Hazama more actually. The use of chain and vast knowledge of magic suit him perfectly. Not to mention hs position as Head Librarian of IL, Terumi did create the NOL after all. Their motivations too. What happen in the their past that make them the person they are now.

For Relius Clover, theres no doubt I vote Jail Scagletti and Murakumo Unit? I think FATE project is suitable enough. FATE project goal was to create artificial mage as same as possible to their original while Murakumo unit for searching Azure. The cyborgs are more like soldier to use than unit that were designed for some specific purpose.

It is really interesting to see Yuuno talk like Terumi: Orochizanto...REppuga! Hehe hehe hehe hyahahaha Miseteyaru yo... Kami no Tsurugi wo!

 

[vic-vic]

Idea of Nanoha and Battletech crossover occupied my mind recently.

Year 3025. The Inner Sphere still tries to recover the lost technologies that were lost in the flames of a nightmarish 1st and 2nd Succession Wars. The most successful seeker of the memory cores of the Star League belong to the Technology Secury and Advancement Bureau - special corps of the ComGuard.

The news about the massive war games initiated by Lyran Commonwealth and Federated Suns fuel the paranoia in the other Successor States who hastily reinforce their own border forces and work to expand their own fighting divisions.

Nanoha Takamachi and her family live on the border planet of the Draconis Combine near Lyran Commonwealth. where she attend the training course of the mechwarrior together with her friends Arisa Bannings and Suzuka Tsukimura - the scions of the wealthy houses of their planet.

Their lives took a dramatic change when, during the training mission on the underdeveloped region of theirm planet trio of friends encounter the wounded acolyte of the ComStar - Yuuno Scrya, whose camp in the mountains was destroyed by the sudden attack of the pirates. Yuuno managed to escape... and with precious Small Memory Core

Unfortunatelly pirates didn't lost his trail and soon, the homecity of Nanoha, Suzuka and Arisa came under the attack of the corsairs. To utter shock and horror of the city garrison, pirates have the weponry from the times of the Star League and thus had an advantage. Seeing how dire their situation, Yuuno lead the trio of girl into hidden ComGuard bunker near the city where Nanoha, Suzuka and Arisa join Yuuno in the battle using the superior ComStar mechs.

On the same time, in the HQ of the pirates, professor Precia Testarossa can only bitterly watch how her daughter forced to join the raiding party. Nor she, nor her best friend Lynith and definetly not Fate are like being forced to help such scoundrels but they have no other choices. They need to find Lost Medical technology of the Star League if they want to save Fate twin sister Alicia who was serioucluy wounded during the horrible incident and now trapped in coma.

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I know it's a bit stretched but I think we can agree that Uminary wasn't too important for ComStar to create a large facility near it and simply build a tiny installation for a single lance.

ComStar (or to be specific - local TSAB) have more authority than it had in the canon Battleetech verse, but I think being the SOLE source of the interstellar communication network and holder of the biggest stockpile of equipment from the times of the humanity Golden Age ComStar can... coerce Successor States into accpeting TSAB search parties. Of course in return they get their share of the recovered LostTech so they not complain too much.

I still can choice the fitting machines for our hero and heroines. So, I wanted to ask - which mechs suit Nanoha, Arisa, Suzuka and Yuuno? I only think about weight class: medium - after all there is no place for heavy (and definetly not for Assault) machines in the snall facility.

Girls and Yuuno would get their big toys later. XD

 

[Van Silverlight]

Idea of Nanoha and Battletech crossover occupied my mind recently.

Year 3025. The Inner Sphere still tries to recover the lost technologies that were lost in the flames of a nightmarish 1st and 2nd Succession Wars. The most successful seeker of the memory cores of the Star League belong to the Technology Secury and Advancement Bureau - special corps of the ComGuard.

The news about the massive war games initiated by Lyran Commonwealth and Federated Suns fuel the paranoia in the other Successor States who hastily reinforce their own border forces and work to expand their own fighting divisions.

Nanoha Takamachi and her family live on the border planet of the Draconis Combine near Lyran Commonwealth. where she attend the training course of the mechwarrior together with her friends Arisa Bannings and Suzuka Tsukimura - the scions of the wealthy houses of their planet.

Their lives took a dramatic change when, during the training mission on the underdeveloped region of theirm planet trio of friends encounter the wounded acolyte of the ComStar - Yuuno Scrya, whose camp in the mountains was destroyed by the sudden attack of the pirates. Yuuno managed to escape... and with precious Small Memory Core

Unfortunatelly pirates didn't lost his trail and soon, the homecity of Nanoha, Suzuka and Arisa came under the attack of the corsairs. To utter shock and horror of the city garrison, pirates have the weponry from the times of the Star League and thus had an advantage. Seeing how dire their situation, Yuuno lead the trio of girl into hidden ComGuard bunker near the city where Nanoha, Suzuka and Arisa join Yuuno in the battle using the superior ComStar mechs.
 
On the same time, in the HQ of the pirates, professor Precia Testarossa can only bitterly watch how her daughter forced to join the  raiding party. Nor she, nor her best friend Lynith and definetly not Fate are like being forced to help such scoundrels but they have no other choices. They need to find Lost Medical technology of the Star League if they want to save Fate twin sister Alicia who was serioucluy wounded during the horrible incident and now trapped in coma.

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I know it's a bit stretched but I think we can agree that Uminary wasn't too important for ComStar to create a large facility near it and simply build a tiny installation for a single lance.

ComStar (or to be specific - local TSAB) have more authority than it had in the canon Battleetech verse, but I think being the SOLE source of the interstellar communication network and holder of the biggest stockpile of equipment from the times of the humanity Golden Age ComStar can... coerce Successor States into accpeting TSAB search parties. Of course in return they get their share of the recovered LostTech so they not complain too much.

I still can choice the fitting machines for our hero and heroines. So, I wanted to ask - which mechs suit Nanoha, Arisa, Suzuka and Yuuno? I only think about weight class: medium - after all there is no place for heavy (and definetly not for Assault) machines in the snall facility.

Girls and Yuuno would get their big toys later. XD

I think it interesting and sounds promising. My questions,

1- This universe's Fate is human? Not some artificial organism mumbo jambo stuff?

2- Yuuno will get some action for himself in battle?

 

[vic-vic]

I think it interesting and sounds promising. My questions,

1- This universe's Fate is human? Not some artificial organism mumbo jambo stuff?

2- Yuuno will get some action for himself in battle?

1) Yes, Fate is a human and Alicia younger (by two minutes) twin sister.

2) Well, of course! Yuuno not only teach the girls about new weaponry of their machines he lead their lance in their first combat operation.

BTW, this Inner Shphere in much better technology shape than it's canon counterpart dur to large number of the Memory Cores (though each core held just a small part of the Helm Memory Core from the canon verse their sheer number of the found SMC help to make up for this) and the help from the ComStar (Conrad Toyama didn't reach the leading seair of CS in this verse and thuse there was no such thing as Holy Shroud operation and etc).

Though ComStar still VERY protective over their monopoly over the HPG technology and they tend to held the most promnent technology from the find cores to thensekves thus securing their place as the most advanced party in the IS.


P.S. Precea is laso much nicer and saner there than on cannon and she herlp the pirates with reverse-engeneering og the SL tech for two reasons.

1) She need their help to obtain the Memory Core.

2) They attack only Draconis Combine and Precea have a personal vendetta against DC - she have more than enough reason to strongly suspect that it was DC's black-ops teams that "helps" the reactor she worked on to went haywire.

P.P.S. Yuuno, Nanoha aand other is 16-17 years old. They need a time to master such machines as mechs after all.

 

[Van Silverlight]

I don't know why I got Infinite Stratos vibe from this. I do get that there is a power struggle among major factions and from the sound of it, Yuuno and gangs are not from the "heroes" side in the story? Is this black and white story or in gray area like Tokyo ghoul?

 

[vic-vic]

Gundam MS 08th team vibes would be more correct. XD

And yes, world of the Battletech is pretty gray - there is MANY truly heroic characters, but there is also many backstabbing bastards. While each leader of the Successor State looking for the betterment of his/her domain, (s)he more than willing to buy this prosperity at the cost of the lives of the people from the other nations.

But again, TSAB from Nanoha series also had it share of the dark secrets.

BTW, I think that Medium mech suitable for Nanoha would be Hunchback - very solid all-rounder who, despite being artillery-type machine, not a slouch in the CQB.

Is there a suggestion for Arisa/Suzuka/Yuuno/Fate machines?

 

[Van Silverlight]

I'm afraid I only can give suggestion for Fate because of the limited info about suzuka and arisa, while for Yuuno, I canot imagine him being a mech pilot. I think machine that is speed type that can deliver high critical damage is appropiate for Fate, seeing her combat form.

 

[vic-vic]

I think for Suzuka and Aris styles of battle we can use info from the Innocent-manga.
I think, for the access to clantech make the pirates that work with Precea into some sort of Wolf Dragoons (undecower Clans' spies).

Okay, this is the list of mechs IMHO fitting for our heores

Nanoha.
Hunchback HBK-6S
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hunchback

Tough and reliable jack of all trades. He had a big a BFG for giving his enemies a lesson of tough love and array for weapons that make sure that he had no glaring weakness to exploit, plus good armor (for his weight class)

Arisa
Phoenix Hawk PHX-7S
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Phoenix_Hawk
Fast, agile and deadly in CQB. Perfect for energetic Arisa

Yuuno
Griffin GRF-6CS
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Griffin
Just like Huncback, its a very solid all-rounder. And this particullar version is equiped with the machinery that can boost his allies.

Suzuka
Apollo
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Apollo_(BattleMech)
Dedly long-range supporter that can hammer the enemies from long-range allowing his comrades to close the gap.

Fate
Hunchback IIC
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hunchback_IIC
Though Fate drive unique model of this machine. Precea was forced to thin IIC's armor almost to the limit in order to install advanced Jump Engines and plasma cutters in the fists. This Hunchback IIC isanely fast and agile for medium machine and his hitting power is on par with Assault-class machines. But one-two solid hits and he is DOWN!

 

[lhklan]

Anybody here read Heavy Object? I have this idea of Yuuno and Chrono getting in all sort of stupid magic shenanigans while acting like Quenser and Heivia. Giant tentacle monsters, eldritch forest, man eating spaceship, etc...

Of course, Yuuno would gain a tons of admirer like Quenser while Chrono would be the one with a Yandere waiting for him - in this case Carim

 

[Mr Coin00]

@lhklan, I have'nt read Heavy Object before but the concept is awesome reminds me of the partners mano and Ban Mido in Get Backers and the Winchester Brothers from the Supernatural.