Nasuverse Mysteries, Memories, and Impossible Enemies
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The Caster Sakura idea, and the 'Tohsaka as vampires (or at least, <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire#Blood-sucking_species' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>kyuuketsushu</a>)' have been mixing in my head, so I might be giving that world its own topic. Alchemic experiments can be very unpleasant for people nearby.
On another note, does anyone have an opinion, in either direction, on the survival of <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Hisau_Maiya' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Hisau Maiya</a>? She seems like an interesting character, and I'm sure I've read at least one fic where she lived, and raised or helped raise Shirou.
Also, I find myself really wanting to read the battle with Gilgamesh, after they looted his Treasury.
On another note, does anyone have an opinion, in either direction, on the survival of <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Hisau_Maiya' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Hisau Maiya</a>? She seems like an interesting character, and I'm sure I've read at least one fic where she lived, and raised or helped raise Shirou.
Also, I find myself really wanting to read the battle with Gilgamesh, after they looted his Treasury.
Hmm... if they remember Childcare is War... what happened to that Archer? Died in the 4th War? Survived till the 5th to die there? Paradoxed out of existence? Or might he be around? The last one would be cool... a sort of uncle-like Archer...
Maybe he's the one who had the crazy idea to steal Gilgamesh's shit, to get one over the golden prick for once... with hilarious consequences.
Maybe he's the one who had the crazy idea to steal Gilgamesh's shit, to get one over the golden prick for once... with hilarious consequences.
Gilgamesh without his treasury wouldn't be much of a challenge. In a battle of skill or combat ability he's inferior to every servant but Avenger or True Assassin (not to say he's unskilled, but compared to people like Cu Chulain, Herakles, King Arthur and a guy who can break reality through sword skill y'know). Unless they both had no weapon, then he could wrestle them I suppose.
The whole point of Gilgamesh is that he's the King and owns the best shit. He's the greatest Heroic Spirit because he has the best and most NPs, and NPs are the measure of a Heroic Spirit. Without NPs he's just a guy with good stats (and some hax armour, but that would only get him so far).
The whole point of Gilgamesh is that he's the King and owns the best shit. He's the greatest Heroic Spirit because he has the best and most NPs, and NPs are the measure of a Heroic Spirit. Without NPs he's just a guy with good stats (and some hax armour, but that would only get him so far).
Just so you know, I'm working on a thread for the 'Sakura summons a Future Sakura as Caster' idea in the OP, but I haven't gotten to a good stopping point, yet.
Here's a preview-ish thing:
Caster - Servant Stats (subject to change, as I'm uncertain of some of this)
Spirit: Matou (Tohsaka) Sakura
Japanese name of spirit: ?? (??) ?
Master: Matou (Tohsaka) Sakura
Alignment: (Complex: True Neutral?)
N. Phantasm: A?
Strength: D
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: E?
Endurance: C?
Class skills:
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Territory_Creation' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Territory Creation</a> A?
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Item_Construction' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Item Construction</a> A?
Personal skills:
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Magecraft' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Magecraft</a> B+? A+?
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Chants_%26_Incantations#High-Speed_Aria' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>High-Speed Aria</a> A? (thought about making this EX, lowering some other skills, or lowering this, with or without raising others)
Noble Phantasms:
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Elements#Shadow' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Imaginary Numbers</a> Support-type; Rank?
Vermin Slayer Anti-Army? Rank?
Others? (Would Sakura's <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Familiar#Shadow_Giants' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>shadow familiars</a> count as part of Imaginary Numbers, or a separate NP?)
Gender: Female
Height: 161 cm
Weight: 52 kg
Three sizes: B87/W56/H87
Hair color: Black (Purple highlights)
Eye color: Red (Purple highlights)
EDIT: A small clarification: Caster Sakura is NOT a Counter Guardian.
Here's a preview-ish thing:
Caster - Servant Stats (subject to change, as I'm uncertain of some of this)
Spirit: Matou (Tohsaka) Sakura
Japanese name of spirit: ?? (??) ?
Master: Matou (Tohsaka) Sakura
Alignment: (Complex: True Neutral?)
N. Phantasm: A?
Strength: D
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: E?
Endurance: C?
Class skills:
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Territory_Creation' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Territory Creation</a> A?
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Item_Construction' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Item Construction</a> A?
Personal skills:
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Magecraft' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Magecraft</a> B+? A+?
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Chants_%26_Incantations#High-Speed_Aria' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>High-Speed Aria</a> A? (thought about making this EX, lowering some other skills, or lowering this, with or without raising others)
Noble Phantasms:
<a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Elements#Shadow' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Imaginary Numbers</a> Support-type; Rank?
Vermin Slayer Anti-Army? Rank?
Others? (Would Sakura's <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Familiar#Shadow_Giants' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>shadow familiars</a> count as part of Imaginary Numbers, or a separate NP?)
Gender: Female
Height: 161 cm
Weight: 52 kg
Three sizes: B87/W56/H87
Hair color: Black (Purple highlights)
Eye color: Red (Purple highlights)
EDIT: A small clarification: Caster Sakura is NOT a Counter Guardian.
There's a reason. It has to do with Angra Mainyu.
Normal Sakura is Good, probably Neutral Good. Dark Sakura is more Chaotic Evil. This Sakura is somewhere in between. True Neutral has a question mark because her situation is complicated. If you asked her, she might say she was Lawful Evil, trying to be Good, but then, her self-assessment isn't really very accurate on that.
The other '?'s are because I'm uncertain of the proper ranks. Due to a weird thing that happened to Fuyuki some time after the UBW Good End, she's a more physical person than normal Sakura (as well as more in touch with her vampire side, and with a weakened fragment of Angra Mainyu), so she has higher physical stats than would otherwise be reasonable. Her Endurance I'm not so sure of, because while she endured a whole hell of a lot, that's psychological, and I think END might be physical.
The weird thing is also related to her, and others, being able to become true Eirei.
Normal Sakura is Good, probably Neutral Good. Dark Sakura is more Chaotic Evil. This Sakura is somewhere in between. True Neutral has a question mark because her situation is complicated. If you asked her, she might say she was Lawful Evil, trying to be Good, but then, her self-assessment isn't really very accurate on that.
The other '?'s are because I'm uncertain of the proper ranks. Due to a weird thing that happened to Fuyuki some time after the UBW Good End, she's a more physical person than normal Sakura (as well as more in touch with her vampire side, and with a weakened fragment of Angra Mainyu), so she has higher physical stats than would otherwise be reasonable. Her Endurance I'm not so sure of, because while she endured a whole hell of a lot, that's psychological, and I think END might be physical.
The weird thing is also related to her, and others, being able to become true Eirei.
The alignment system is a gross oversimplification anyway and has very little bearing on how characters act. Exhibit A: Gilgamesh. <s>I'm the original exhibit, mongrel!</s>
Apart from that, Sakura seems like a Servant who's closer to the median than most of the powerhouses we've seen in the past couple of Grail Wars. That's a nice change of pace, but she'll have to fight smart to stay ahead She'll probably need backup from Rider or EMIYA or even Shirou to survive the proceedings. Though she could probably teach Shirou a thing or two about his capabilities . . .
I have a question. What's with the Matou (Tohsaka) thing? Sakura's legally adopted, her name is Matou. That Zouken was an utter monstrosity has no bearing on her last name.
Sure, Matou has some really nasty associations with it. But Tohsaka is just as bad - this is the family that, as far as Sakura ever knew: "You suck, go get raped by worms, we prefer Rin anyway."
Why would she want any part of that?
Apart from that, Sakura seems like a Servant who's closer to the median than most of the powerhouses we've seen in the past couple of Grail Wars. That's a nice change of pace, but she'll have to fight smart to stay ahead She'll probably need backup from Rider or EMIYA or even Shirou to survive the proceedings. Though she could probably teach Shirou a thing or two about his capabilities . . .
I have a question. What's with the Matou (Tohsaka) thing? Sakura's legally adopted, her name is Matou. That Zouken was an utter monstrosity has no bearing on her last name.
Sure, Matou has some really nasty associations with it. But Tohsaka is just as bad - this is the family that, as far as Sakura ever knew: "You suck, go get raped by worms, we prefer Rin anyway."
Why would she want any part of that?
It does. Its not the reason Caster has that name, but it does make sense for the Sakura of the merged universe (though her name could be even longer). The Rin of the merged universe might be something like 'Tohsaka (Emiya) (Kotomine) Rin', in that case, or Shirou could be 'Emiya (Kotomine) (Fujimura) (Hisau) Shirou (Velvet)' - mixing Western and Eastern name order, the way Soryu Asuka Langley's name is done in Japanese, IIRC.
For Caster, it has more to do with the nature of her magecraft abilities. Its not her name from a legal perspective, but from a magical one - Zouken's fault, not Zelretch's, in other words.
For Caster, it has more to do with the nature of her magecraft abilities. Its not her name from a legal perspective, but from a magical one - Zouken's fault, not Zelretch's, in other words.