Nanoha Question

[daniel_gudman]

Okay, I've gotten a certain impression of the setting, and I want to check it.

Mid-Childa and the Time-Space Administration Bureau possess "dimensional transfer" as their method of reaching other planets.

Am I correct in thinking that means that all the worlds, administered or not, are in parallel realities and are therefore parrallel Earths?

And further, that nobody in the series possesses substantive space travel; ie, no colonies on Mars or Jovian moons, let alone other star systems.

Basically I want to check my assumption, and then solicit other people's understandings of the setting.

 

[biigoh]

As far as the anime shows... yes.

Alternate earths and such.

Personally, I sort of see it as all those worlds being in a single universe/galaxy/dimension. It's just the way that they travel that is extra dimensional. But that's just me and my own personal feelings. Not canon.

 

[Mechatrill]

Eh... That's actually kinda debatable...

The anime has shown a variety of environments: desert, ocean, city, etc... However, given how varied Earth's geography is, there's really nothing that says for sure that those worlds couldn't have been alternate Earths...

That said, there's also no real evidence that does say that they're alternate Earths. I don't think the anime ever showed a picture of any of the worlds either as viewed from space or via a world map...

I think the popular assumption is that the various worlds are separate planetoids in their own unique solar systems... Those planets may or may not actually be in different dimensions, as the anime never went into the cosmology of the universe, but given the various emphasis on dimensional incidents, that does seem likely...

It's rather vague, so set up your own cosmology as you'd like... Just try not to contradict yourself or any source material (not that there's much source material to contradict)...

 

[drakensis]

IIRC Midchildia has more than one moon, so it would have to be a pretty divergent Earth.

 

[Tom_Badgerlock]

IIRC Midchildia has more than one moon, so it would have to be a pretty divergent Earth.

Pretty much.

Midchilda has more than one moon, and i think it has been implied in other Nanha materials that a lot of worlds wer very different from each others.

Basically, it's not alternate earth but either 'other dimensions (like in buffy)' or even 'weird name for Hyperspace travel'.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Midchilda's an alien world, located in the very least another solar system, if not an entirely different galaxy or dimension. The TSAB's stated mandate is to protect interdimensional space, a sort of galactic Interpol if you will. I'm fairly certain this involves patrolling across not only dimensions inhabited by TSAB member worlds and non-administered worlds like Earth, but other places outright inhospitable to human life (dimensional ships patrolling the Warp, anyone?).

It's possible at least one of the TSAB member worlds is a parallel version of Earth, though.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Yeah, but isn't Midchilda a colony world in the sense that it was terraformed to be the new capital of the Allied Worlds after the war? I read that in fanfiction, so I don't know if it's canon backstory exposition or a piece of fanon. Until that's nailed down it's not really a pertinent argument.

As for the two moons thing, on one hand that's a really big difference, but on the other hand the leading answer to the question "where did the moon come from" is "after the Earth got hit by a humongous meteor, all the stuff that got blasted into space condensed into the moon." So it's just as likely that Midchilda is a parallel Earth that experienced a slightly different moon formation. I don't think the "two moons" argument is particularly strong.

I guess most of the arguments come from looking at the life-forms we see in the series. The fact that all the aliens are basically indistinguishable from humans makes it more likely they are humans and not human-shaped aliens.

Also, I noticed that whenever the Asura was, well, going anywhere, it was in "Dimensional Space," not, you know, "Space." Even when it was hanging out around Earth in TOS and A's, it was never in orbit, it was loitering in that mauve-violet-black place. BUT, since they are probably aware of Earth's satallite capability, they very well might have had to hide there to avoid detection... but then why not just seal themselves in a barrier like combating mages... I dunno.

I guess I like the idea of TSAB as "slider police," because it's still science fictiony without resorting to that absolutely ludicrous "aliens with forehead stuff."

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Midchilda isn't newly-colonized world. That's fanon, apparently, though I've never seen it written anywhere myself. Fate mentions in StrikerS that Midchilda and Belka got into a war once a few centuries before the TSAB was formed.

As for the Asura being in Dimensional Space rather than cloaked when patrolling near Earth? Likely because they don't want to risk their cloaking spells failing or some strange Earth technology they don't entirely understand noticing something amiss. It's probably cheaper to just loiter one dimension away at any rate, or it could be part of a secret agreement with Earth governments not to hang about unless there's an emergency. And they DO come into orbit at the end of As to blast the Book of Darkness, and since no one seemed to have noticed they must've been using a barrier then.

 

[WizardOne]

Midchilda isn't newly-colonized world. That's fanon, apparently, though I've never seen it written anywhere myself. Fate mentions in StrikerS that Midchilda and Belka got into a war once a few centuries before the TSAB was formed.

As for the Asura being in Dimensional Space rather than cloaked when patrolling near Earth? Likely because they don't want to risk their cloaking spells failing or some strange Earth technology they don't entirely understand noticing something amiss. It's probably cheaper to just loiter one dimension away at any rate, or it could be part of a secret agreement with Earth governments not to hang about unless there's an emergency. And they DO come into orbit at the end of As to blast the Book of Darkness, and since no one seemed to have noticed they must've been using a barrier then.

yes, this is true, during a's there was a scene where an orbital bombardments was called in, and if I remember correctly, tbod was ported into space to get Arc'En Ciel'd.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Yeah, the TSAB was on the verge of nuking Japan from orbit at the end of As to prevent the Book of Darkness from going berserk, which would've ended in all life on Earth being wiped out - as has apparently happened on every other world the Book of Darkness has shown up on. Fortunately, a plan B became available.

 

[zeebee1]

At that point they were willing to risk being spotted by just about anyone if they could stop the Book of Darkness from escaping the planet.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Potentially revealing themselves to Earth was more acceptable to the TSAB than Earth getting destroyed and the Book of Darkness going on an interstellar/interdimensional rampage, yes.

 

[windstorm]

Okay, I've gotten a certain impression of the setting, and I want to check it.

Mid-Childa and the Time-Space Administration Bureau possess "dimensional transfer" as their method of reaching other planets.

Am I correct in thinking that means that all the worlds, administered or not, are in parallel realities and are therefore parrallel Earths?

And further, that nobody in the series possesses substantive space travel; ie, no colonies on Mars or Jovian moons, let alone other star systems.

Basically I want to check my assumption, and then solicit other people's understandings of the setting.

Mid Childa has dimensional transfer. The ships travel in a sort of in-between dimensional space. They also have the capacity to travel in space. In Nanoha A's the ship on stand bye when the Book of Darkness went nuts was in orbit. There seems to be a slightly different transfer for the ships and the people where they can transfer people faster through different worlds than the ships.

As far as I can tell it is literally a different dimension, as in completely different universe with different planets, solar systems and galaxies. The other planets aren't necessarily parallel earths. We haven't seen multiple planets in the same dimension in the series that house life but it doesn't mean for sure that they don't exist in the Nanoha multiverses. Going back to the space travel idea for a second, the ships probably can travel in space but if you wanted to reach a different planet in the same dimension it would probably make more sense to use the in-between dimensional space and simply make that your destination to begin with. Probably would be a lot faster.

 

[zeebee1]

Someone needs to ask Nanya. If anyone knows it will be him.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Okay I have a completely unrelated question, but I figured it would be better to ask here then start another thread entirely.

So every magus has like a default color for their power aura. Fate is Yellow, Yuuno is Green, Vita is Red, Signum is Violet, etc etc.

Nanoha was Pink. Were there any other characters that didn't have simple (ROYGBIV) colors, but had complex (ie, at least two frequency composite) colors?

 

[Nanya]

Okay I have a completely unrelated question, but I figured it would be better to ask here then start another thread entirely.

So every magus has like a default color for their power aura. Fate is Yellow, Yuuno is Green, Vita is Red, Signum is Violet, etc etc.

Nanoha was Pink. Were there any other characters that didn't have simple (ROYGBIV) colors, but had complex (ie, at least two frequency composite) colors?

Most of the time, the color matches the hair. (Which leads to "Carpet matching the drapes" to take on a whole new meaning here.)

Vivio is a rainbow color.

And...

I don't know of anyone else that has composite colors like that.

Not off the top of my head at least.

 

[endev8003]

Okay I have a completely unrelated question, but I figured it would be better to ask here then start another thread entirely.

So every magus has like a default color for their power aura. Fate is Yellow, Yuuno is Green, Vita is Red, Signum is Violet, etc etc.

Nanoha was Pink. Were there any other characters that didn't have simple (ROYGBIV) colors, but had complex (ie, at least two frequency composite) colors?

Most of the time, the color matches the hair. (Which leads to "Carpet matching the drapes" to take on a whole new meaning here.)

Vivio is a rainbow color.

And...

I don't know of anyone else that has composite colors like that.

Not off the top of my head at least.

I don't agree with the magic color = hair color in most cases. It seems to be rare to be the case. From what I can remember, only Fate, Vita, Reinforce Zwei (maybe?), Carim and Verossa has close matches.

Not quite sure what daniel means with composite color. Do you mean as in more than one color, or a complex color rather than a simple color.

For different colors, only Vivio has that.

If it is complex colors, there are some that is different shades. Einhart Stratos color is silvery green.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Another completely unrelated question.

Stardust fall: Nanoha picks up a bunch of rocks and smacks stuff with 'em.

Does this violate TSAB's ban on mass weapons? What do you think?

 

[Ryuugi]

Another completely unrelated question.

Stardust fall: Nanoha picks up a bunch of rocks and smacks stuff with 'em.

Does this violate TSAB's ban on mass weapons? What do you think?

The one in the manga, right? Hm. Not sure. If yes, then Vita does too.

However, I'm going to have to say no, possibly because they're using Magic to do it. But whatever the reason, Vita is part of TSAB and makes absolutely no effort to hide her attacks, so they obviously know abo it and they don't seem to care.

 

[daniel_gudman]

The one in the manga, right? Hm. Not sure. If yes, then Vita does too.

Vita, her device, and their spells were all created before the ban went into effect, though, so it's not quite the same.

Anyway, I'm just wondering what the precise wording of the ban was, and or if it only applies against people or what.

If it were me, I would say "no kinetic energy," but on the other hand, you're implication that it's really more "no non-magically powered weapons" makes sense too, it's just easy to get around, with rock-tossing for example.

 

[Prince Charon]

The one in the manga, right? Hm. Not sure. If yes, then Vita does too.

Vita, her device, and their spells were all created before the ban went into effect, though, so it's not quite the same.

Anyway, I'm just wondering what the precise wording of the ban was, and or if it only applies against people or what.

If it were me, I would say "no kinetic energy," but on the other hand, you're implication that it's really more "no non-magically powered weapons" makes sense too, it's just easy to get around, with rock-tossing for example.

The point of the ban on mass-based weapons, IIRC, is that anyone can pick one up and kill someone with them, possibly many, many someones. With magic, its not so easy. Mages who can one-shot buildings, much less cities, are rare.

 

[bissek]

Yeah, the TSAB was on the verge of nuking Japan from orbit at the end of As to prevent the Book of Darkness from going berserk, which would've ended in all life on Earth being wiped out - as has apparently happened on every other world the Book of Darkness has shown up on. Fortunately, a plan B became available.

Not all of Earth - but it would have reduced Uminari City to a crater - 100km across. It would have killed quite a lot of people, and the seismic implications of drilling a hole that deep aren't pleasant, but the world would survive.

Note that Vita's main objection to using the Arc en Ciel on Earth's surface wasn't the potentially millions of casualties, but the fact that it would destroy Hayate's house.

 

[Nanya]

The one in the manga, right? Hm. Not sure. If yes, then Vita does too.

Vita, her device, and their spells were all created before the ban went into effect, though, so it's not quite the same.

Anyway, I'm just wondering what the precise wording of the ban was, and or if it only applies against people or what.

If it were me, I would say "no kinetic energy," but on the other hand, you're implication that it's really more "no non-magically powered weapons" makes sense too, it's just easy to get around, with rock-tossing for example.

Mass-based weapons ARE allowed, but they're heavily regulated.

Stardust Fall, making those rocks fall, are created because Nanoha blasted the ground.

SSX, Runessa has a mass-based gun.

Force, there are security (gods, i cannot spell today) people with machine guns.

Don't forget that the new weapons in Force use magic to power mass-based weapons.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Force, there are security (gods, i cannot spell today) people with machine guns.

Those M-16s? I think it's more likely they're stolen from unadministered world #97 for illegal use by pirates illegally dealing with lost logia.

 

[Nanya]

Force, there are security (gods, i cannot spell today) people with machine guns.

Those M-16s? I think it's more likely they're stolen from unadministered world #97 for illegal use by pirates illegally dealing with lost logia.

Well, like I said, Runessa (main bad guy in Sound Stage X) had a revolver and was authorized by the Bureau and worked with Teana.

Besides, now that we know that the Hucks are immune to magic, them having M-16s actually makes a lot of sense.