Nanoha StrikerS / Third Season anime

[Andarion]

Yeah, all the Forwards had it rough, looking at the main cast, more or less only Nanoha doesn't have a tragic past, it could have been, but in the end evrything was solved.

Yeah Nanoha had ONLY lonely childhood because her father was nearly killed and she had to spend a lot of time alone... I'm saying, think too deep and you'll be horrified by this story...
And now Nanya told me how Arisa died in Triangle Hearts 3...

I feel like a bastard for I'm planning for her in my story...

 

[Hoki]

Looks like out of all the forwards, only Subaru had it easy.

[chuckles] Did she? Cloned and created for combat, going through painful surgeries to replace majority of her body with cybernetic implants. Forced to train how to fight and kill. And I sincerely doubt the scientists who made her and Ginga were as loving and caring as Jail was to his daughters.

Aside from their origins, I don't think Subaru and Ginga were being trained in combat at a young age, since Subaru was a clumsy crybaby when she was little, only deciding to actually learn Shooting Arts after the airport fire incident. It was also stated that Quint busted the laboratory before any further research could be made, thus implying that Subaru and Ginga were rescued before they could be tested and trained for combat. TSAB doctors probably found Subaru's rather dangerous ability during one of their tests.

Besides, she grew up having a very supportive family. Compare that to an orphaned Teana, an abandoned Erio, and an exiled Caro. She had it easy, she's just very emphatic and understanding about others that she gives them her support in any way she can.

 

[Kireen]

Yeah, all the Forwards had it rough, looking at the main cast, more or less only Nanoha doesn't have a tragic past, it could have been, but in the end evrything was solved.

Yeah Nanoha had ONLY lonely childhood because her father was nearly killed and she had to spend a lot of time alone... I'm saying, think too deep and you'll be horrified by this story...

Hey, it could heve been worse, she could have been whiped by her psycothic mother, be completely on her own until her knights appeared, had her only family member be killed during a mission or blamed for the failure, have actually lost one of her parents, had her entire village slaughtered by somone, be an orphan that feels alone even if she was raised by all her clan, she could have lost he father in an incident involving a dangerous lost logia, leaving her alone with her young mother... and I can go on, she was the one that had it less rought han the others.

 

[Andarion]

Aside from their origins, I don't think Subaru and Ginga were being trained in combat at a young age, since Subaru was a clumsy crybaby when she was little, only deciding to actually learn Shooting Arts after the airport fire incident. It was also stated that Quint busted the laboratory before any further research could be made, thus implying that Subaru and Ginga were rescued before they could be tested and trained for combat. TSAB doctors probably found Subaru's rather dangerous ability during one of their tests.

Besides, she grew up having a very supportive family. Compare that to an orphaned Teana, an abandoned Erio, and an exiled Caro. She had it easy, she's just very emphatic and understanding about others that she gives them her support in any way she can.

Well that still leaves being treated like a thing and being created for war. She has pretty much similar backstory to the one Caro and Erio have. Started off really badly but then found a warm, loving family and grew up normally. Teana is pretty much the only one who had it backwards. She had a loving family but it got taken away from her...

Kireen

Yeah, I'm thinking that this is probably why Nanoha could support and help others so much. She had a strong, loving background which gave her strength to help others who weren't so lucky.

 

[Hoki]

Given all these messed up backstories, it makes you wonder how the series turned out if "the Urobutcher" wrote it.

 

[Andarion]

Given all these messed up backstories, it makes you wonder how the series turned out if "the Urobutcher" wrote it.

You better don't mention that, Universe might hear you... and it has a horrible sense of humour...

 

[Hoki]

Given all these messed up backstories, it makes you wonder how the series turned out if "the Urobutcher" wrote it.

You better don't mention that, Universe might hear you... and it has a horrible sense of humour...

Well unless there'll be a reboot, I doubt he could change anything up to this point. Force could use some of his tweaks though, since I remember Tsuzuki saying that some major characters will die there. Signum almost did.

 

[Kireen]

Maybe a spin-off in the same verse but with different characters writtern by Urobochi would be an interesting watch, ya know just to see all the can of worms get opened at once.

 

[Hoki]

Maybe a spin-off in the same verse but with different characters writtern by Urobochi would be an interesting watch, ya know just to see all the can of worms get opened at once.

Or a crossover. too bad this wasn't written by the original authors.

 

[Kireen]

It has been a while since I put it on my to read list, is it any good?

 

[Hoki]

It has been a while since I put it on my to read list, is it any good?

Decent enough.

 

[Kireen]

might as well give it a read then.

 

[Hoki]

So I was rewatching StrikerS, and a thought came to me upon the end of Episode 5.

Why was Jail more interested in the Project F people than Nanoha? Okay, sure he had a hand in the development of Project F, but what exactly does he need Fate and Erio for? Didn't it occur to him that getting a mage like Nanoha would allow him to make an army of... well Nanohas, not to mention trying to replicate Nanoha's skills and abilities and turning them to programs would make anything he can create into an instant death machine, together with his Saint Kaiser clone, he would've been unstoppable.

 

[Andarion]

So I was rewatching StrikerS, and a thought came to me upon the end of Episode 5.

Why was Jail more interested in the Project F people than Nanoha? Okay, sure he had a hand in the development of Project F, but what exactly does he need Fate and Erio for? Didn't it occur to him that getting a mage like Nanoha would allow him to make an army of... well Nanohas, not to mention trying to replicate Nanoha's skills and abilities and turning them to programs would make anything he can create into an instant death machine, together with his Saint Kaiser clone, he would've been unstoppable.

Fate and Erio are Successful Products of Project F. Clone Mages that are (supposedly) superior to the originals. Even if he got Nanoha's genetic material, without perfecting Project F he wouldn't really get any benefits from that. His most successful Project F achievement was Zest who was slowly dying,

Also it may be just a sentimental thing, he was the one who developed groundwork behind the Project F so, in a sense Fate and Erio are his children.

 

[Hoki]

So I was rewatching StrikerS, and a thought came to me upon the end of Episode 5.

Why was Jail more interested in the Project F people than Nanoha? Okay, sure he had a hand in the development of Project F, but what exactly does he need Fate and Erio for? Didn't it occur to him that getting a mage like Nanoha would allow him to make an army of... well Nanohas, not to mention trying to replicate Nanoha's skills and abilities and turning them to programs would make anything he can create into an instant death machine, together with his Saint Kaiser clone, he would've been unstoppable.

Fate and Erio are Successful Products of Project F. Clone Mages that are (supposedly) superior to the originals. Even if he got Nanoha's genetic material, without perfecting Project F he wouldn't really get any benefits from that. His most successful Project F achievement was Zest who was slowly dying,

Also it may be just a sentimental thing, he was the one who developed groundwork behind the Project F so, in a sense Fate and Erio are his children.

I figured he doesn't have to clone Nanoha to get some benefits out of her. After all, DNA carries all sorts of information and somebody who can extract info from it can potentially learn a person's secrets. Jail can turn Nanoha's abilities into programs, then produce a new line of cyborgs with the skills of the Ace of Aces. Since he technically has perfected Cyborg tech, imagine Dieci, Otto, or Wendi shooting Starlight Breaker variants.

Also, learning how Fate and Erio became successful Project F specimens basically means they have to be dissected right?

 

[Andarion]

I figured he doesn't have to clone Nanoha to get some benefits out of her. After all, DNA carries all sorts of information and somebody who can extract info from it can potentially learn a person's secrets. Jail can turn Nanoha's abilities into programs, then produce a new line of cyborgs with the skills of the Ace of Aces. Since he technically has perfected Cyborg tech, imagine Dieci, Otto, or Wendi shooting Starlight Breaker variants.

Mhm how do we know that he Didn't use Nanoha's DNA yet? I always found Dieci a bit suspicious with her love for big guns and giant explosions...
All in all Jail is more interested in Potential rather than spells per se. For example Nove or other cyborg girls are clones of some people specifically to gain their potential and inherent abilities (like Quint's Wind Road). He doesn't really need Nanoha to give his girls Starlight Breaker, that's a teachable spell. He would be interested in her talent for shoothing magic and flight though.

Also, learning how Fate and Erio became successful Project F specimens basically means they have to be dissected right?

Did I ever say that Jail is a Nice person?

 

[keroko]

So I was rewatching StrikerS, and a thought came to me upon the end of Episode 5.

Why was Jail more interested in the Project F people than Nanoha? Okay, sure he had a hand in the development of Project F, but what exactly does he need Fate and Erio for? Didn't it occur to him that getting a mage like Nanoha would allow him to make an army of... well Nanohas, not to mention trying to replicate Nanoha's skills and abilities and turning them to programs would make anything he can create into an instant death machine, together with his Saint Kaiser clone, he would've been unstoppable.

Hmwell, that's what Project F is actually. Nanoha is a genetic accident. A rarity. Project F aims to create mages of Nanoha's power reliably.

Also, learning how Fate and Erio became successful Project F specimens basically means they have to be dissected right?

Nah, Jail can extract usably genetic material from a couple of bloodsplatters on a centuries old piece of cloth (that's where Vivio came from, after all). All he'd need would be a couple of blood samples and he's good to go.

 

[Andarion]

Hmwell, that's what Project F is actually. Nanoha is a genetic accident. A rarity. Project F aims to create mages of Nanoha's power reliably.

Mhm personally I always saw Project F as Enhanced Cloning. The end result would be the Perfect (if not stronger) copy of the material with not only all the potential and talent but also all the spells and experience of the original. Essentially Mass Producing experienced fighters. The Numbers are made with inferior procedure, they only have the potential and inherent abilities (like Quint's Wing Road) but not the spells and experience.

 

[keroko]

The Numbers are more reliably produced though. Ginga noted that one of the main failures of artificial mages was the high cost and low success rate.

 

[Hoki]

Mhm how do we know that he Didn't use Nanoha's DNA yet? I always found Dieci a bit suspicious with her love for big guns and giant explosions...
All in all Jail is more interested in Potential rather than spells per se. For example Nove or other cyborg girls are clones of some people specifically to gain their potential and inherent abilities (like Quint's Wind Road). He doesn't really need Nanoha to give his girls Starlight Breaker, that's a teachable spell. He would be interested in her talent for shoothing magic and flight though.

And this is why I am questioning his deliberate ignoring of Nanoha. Nanoha is the cream-of-the-crop, the best specimen possible. She has superior genetic makeup and the best skills. Okay sure, Fate and Erio are also perfect products of a project he set the framework for, but given he has another project he has perfected, he can create the ultimate Combat Cyborg. Imagine Nanoha fighting somebody who can match her in skill and power (no Reinforce doesn't count). That would be awesome.

Basically, I want Jail to create the Materials.

Did I ever say that Jail is a Nice person?

Well he did offer Lutecia tea and cookies. That counts as nice.

 

[Andarion]

And this is why I am questioning his deliberate ignoring of Nanoha. Nanoha is the cream-of-the-crop, the best specimen possible. She has superior genetic makeup and the best skills. Okay sure, Fate and Erio are also perfect products of a project he set the framework for, but given he has another project he has perfected, he can create the ultimate Combat Cyborg. Imagine Nanoha fighting somebody who can match her in skill and power (no Reinforce doesn't count). That would be awesome.

Well in that case I can only go with Sentimental. Tre Did call Fate "Ojou-sama" if I remember right... Maybe Jail fell a bit for Precia and saw Fate as his daughter?

Basically, I want Jail to create the Materials.

I can't say I disagree XD

Well he did offer Lutecia tea and cookies. That counts as nice.

After holding her mother hostage and manipulating her into doing his dirty work ^^

 

[Gx Hero]

Jail create the materials, how about he meets them. mawahaha

after all material D will more likely decree herself the leader qand make all gadget drones submit to her, while Material L rides on QUattro's back using her hair as reins cracking sparks to make her go faster while QUatro is yelling.

Stern and sette set to the side watching it unsure what to do.


sorry just a little entertaining story I had. Anyway I think Jail had the combat Cyborgs started for a while. Plus cloning them isn't as simple. In addition Jail was looking for particular traits that were rare and powerful. Though you think that he would have given Sein some regardless if she was suppose to be the prototype for mass produced basic soldier.

Also if Hayate had dues power how much more cosplay would she do.

One more thing, swear that Lutecia and sette look alike.

 

[Akiyoshi]

I wonder if Nanoha's talent can even be duplicated on a Cyborg. ..it would make more sense to create an artificial mage clone of her so Scaglietty can copy the aspects on Nanoha's personity and psyche that helped her to develop and control the skill she aqcuired.

 

[keroko]

I wonder if Nanoha's talent can even be duplicated on a Cyborg.

Given that that's the entire point of the IS? I would say so, yes.

 

[Akiyoshi]

I guess so but it brings a few questions. Nove, Ginga and Subaru inherited Quint's way of fighting but it wasn't stated if that's something Quint developed or if it was an inborn special gift. The latter would make it more plausible to transfer to a combat cyborg.

If they clone Nanoha's dna into a cyborg they may have a cyborg with a good pool of mana but nothing else given Nanoha developed all other skills trough training and life experience. Having the cyborg in question implanted with some of Nanoha's psychological traits or altered memories could help to unlock a similar potential as also giving it similar purpuse weaponry and training.

I'm not saying Cyborgs doesn't train (Subaru and Ginga would revolver cannon me to hell for saying that xDU) ...but certainly some shown instant expertise just after being activated like Nove, Wendi and Dieci. Unlike the first Nakajima sisters who had to work their asses for years to even reach similar proficiency as their original and mother.

Maybe Scaflietty improved yhe process? I don't know.