Nanoha Vivid Discussion

Van Silverlight said:
God, Victoria really savage in her fighting style. Literally grabbing people head and smash them against the ground.
It's not so much Victoria being savage as it is Victoria's temper. Chantez's deceptive approach to combat did not mesh well with Victoria's short fuse, and Edgar even commented how Victoria was going to fall into a bad mood because of it. Divine Thunder alone shaved off almost all of Chantez' Life and paralyzed her on top of that. All Victoria needed to do at that point was just one good hit with her halberd to either knock off the rest of Chantez's Life or wait for the down count thanks to the paralysis stopping Chantez from getting back up. If she kept a cool head that's probably what would have happened. She went with the face-smashing approach because her temper needed an outlet, so she ended up doing like 800% more damage (and wasted a lot more of her mana supply) than she needed to in order to win the fight. Her temper got the better of her.
 
That short temper of her could easily be exploited.

and Hoki, "Queen"? Since when Olivie become a Queen?
 

Hoki

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Van Silverlight said:
That short temper of her could easily be exploited.

and Hoki, "Queen"? Since when Olivie become a Queen?
The "queen" part refers not to her rank, but simply a nickname stating that she's the best. Kinda similar to how people refer to certain celebrities as "King" or "Queen", For example, Michael Jackson is  "the King of Pop" right? LeBron James is "King James". None of them are actually royalty, but simply the best at what they do.

It probably also stems from the fact that Olivie is usually seen fighting with Claus, who is technically a king, so people just assumed that she's Claus' queen, or is going to be a queen.
 

Rising Dragon

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Season 2 of ViVid confirmed.



I have no idea who that is. Raiser, help?

EDIT: So, this isn't a season 2, per se...

ViVid Strike!, as you'll notice, lacks the MGLN name to it. This is considered a spin-off from ViVid, and is probably due to Yukari Tamura's messy resignation from King Records.

ViVid Strike! is being made by Seven Arcs and King Records, rather than A-1. Vivio and Einhart are in the cast listings, but it seems they're not the main characters this time, and instead we'll be following new protagonist Reventon.

http://vivid-strike.com/

This is gonna be weird.
 

vic-vic

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Well, while I'm really happy that we get another season of Nanoha-verse goodness, such radical change can be both a good and bad thing. Though, ultimatelly I'm glad that we had a chance to see an utterly new material rather than a simple adptation. I hope for the emphasis on the ancient war of Belka and it's lasting concequences (magical tanks, please :rolleyes: )

Hmmm. so, the new protagonist's VA is Minase Inori - Eddelrittio from Aldnoah Zero (also Hestia from Danmachi). I almsot can imagine Reventon insted of Set Up to intone: Increase the output of Aldnoah Drive! B)
 

endev8003

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Looks like a new character, but I wonder if there is a relationship to Einhart?

The metal part on the gloves are the same as Einhart's and the device on the arm makes me think of a white Teo.
 

vic-vic

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endev8003 said:
Looks like a new character, but I wonder if there is a relationship to Einhart?

The metal part on the gloves are the same as Einhart's and the device on the arm makes me think of a white Teo.
Hmmm... a long lost sister?
 
vic-vic said:
Hmmm... a long lost sister?
I dunno, that tagline almost makes me think ancestor, but the Not!Teo seems more in line with either a descendant or a student/imitator. Guess we'll find out.
 
so, i just read some comments on MGLN fanpage about VividStrikers.. some of them are thinking about leaving the series or at least not watching VividStrikers because it don't have Yukari or more precisely Nanoha in it. These guys seem nanofate fans to me and close to hard core at that. So i just want to say: "SUCK IT YOU SCUM! NOW YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WE FELT WHEN THEY ERASE POTENTIAL CHARACTERS FOR THE STORY!"
 

Hoki

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What the hell? Who the heck is the Einhart wannabe?

The only thing good about this is that its being animated by Seven Arcs again. A-1's art style was kinda off for me.
 

vic-vic

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I still hope for the Einhart long lost sister/cousin and struggle for the throne of the reborn Shutra Haegemony
 
Current cast listing for the new anime:

Fuuka Reventon: Inori Minase (Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu)
Rinne Berlinetta: Yui Ogura (Regalia: The Three Sacred Stars)
Vivio Takamachi: Kaori Mizuhashi (Shounen Maid)
Einhart Stratos: Mamiko Noto (Elfen Lied)
Yumina Enclave: Sumire Uesaka (Kantai Collection: KanColle)
Rio Wesley: Eri Kitamura (Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica)
Corona Timil: Misato Fukuen (Yozakura Quartet)
Nove Nakajima: Chiwa Saito (Akatsuki no Yona)
Jill Stora: Ayane Sakura (Boku no Hero Academia)

A mix of both familiar and unfamiliar names, which is about what I'd expect.
 

Epsilon

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Honestly, I just laugh at the thought of Nanoha being the new Brother Chuck here.
 

vic-vic

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Well, we still have a manga to have Nanoha as a MC

And one more thing... Just why Yukari-san can't voice Nanoha anymore as she had a strife with her record studio (King Records IIRC) not Nanoha-creators?
 
We have no confirmation on whether that's the case or not. It's just the only real explanation we have currently.
 

Hoki

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Vivid Strike sounds like it'll turn into the animated version of Force, only for the Vivid timeline.
 
vic-vic said:
I really hope to see some magical armies clash.
There probably won't be anything dramatic, what with that sickening preaching StrikerS did about how magic wasn't lethal. I think we can all agree that was a terrible decision in hindsight, but StrikerS had a lot of those, so don't get your hopes up unless that gets retconned.
 

vic-vic

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TSAB used magic are indeed ste to be non=lethal. Old belkan magic, on other hand, was VERY lethal! And there were a lot of the non-magical but super-deadly weaponry too...
 
vic-vic said:
TSAB used magic are indeed ste to be non=lethal. Old belkan magic, on other hand, was VERY lethal! And there were a lot of the non-magical but super-deadly weaponry too...
Yeah, except when Fate was giving that sermon to Erio and Caro, she didn't distinguish between the magic the TSAB and Belkans use. That being the case, you can make a serious argument that Belkan magic itself isn't lethal; the kinetics they back it up with is. That similarity, or rather there being no real distinction, is probably the only reason the Modern Belkan style can exist, since it incorporates both Ancient Belkan and Mid-Childan into it. Though I suppose you could make the case for Sieg's Terminator Mode being an exception to "the magic isn't lethal" rule, but the Jeremiah magics were specifically designed and tuned to destroy the human body with bare hands so it also proves the rule at the same time. After all, if magic was inherently lethal, there'd be no need to go out of your way creating a style that focuses entirely on making it lethal.

Which puts the TSAB at the wrong end of a hilariously one-sided massacre if they ever have to fight an enemy that uses anything but magic. It's part of the reason the Huckubein were able to completely slaughter the TSAB: Even without the Eclipse and the anti-magic and super healing, they use lethal, kinetic weapons from the start. As Curren so beautifully demonstrated, a giant iceberg's got nothing on a plain old sword to the back.
 

Hoki

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Kuroi Hadou said:
vic-vic said:
TSAB used magic are indeed ste to be non=lethal. Old belkan magic, on other hand, was VERY lethal! And there were a lot of the non-magical but super-deadly weaponry too...
Yeah, except when Fate was giving that sermon to Erio and Caro, she didn't distinguish between the magic the TSAB and Belkans use. That being the case, you can make a serious argument that Belkan magic itself isn't lethal; the kinetics they back it up with is. That similarity, or rather there being no real distinction, is probably the only reason the Modern Belkan style can exist, since it incorporates both Ancient Belkan and Mid-Childan into it. Though I suppose you could make the case for Sieg's Terminator Mode being an exception to "the magic isn't lethal" rule, but the Jeremiah magics were specifically designed and tuned to destroy the human body with bare hands so it also proves the rule at the same time. After all, if magic was inherently lethal, there'd be no need to go out of your way creating a style that focuses entirely on making it lethal.
Fate mentioned in that lecture that magic is relatively safer and can be controlled. So, it's not magic isn't or is inherently lethal. It's the fact that magic can become as lethal as the user wants it.

 Which puts the TSAB at the wrong end of a hilariously one-sided massacre if they ever have to fight an enemy that uses anything but magic. It's part of the reason the Huckubein were able to completely slaughter the TSAB: Even without the Eclipse and the anti-magic and super healing, they use lethal, kinetic weapons from the start. As Curren so beautifully demonstrated, a giant iceberg's got nothing on a plain old sword to the back.

Not quite true. Magic can provide absolute protection against any kinetic weaponry. Subaru was able to tank an artillery round in Sound Stage X at point blank range without any noticeable damage because of her barrier jacket. Gadget drones that carried missiles/actual blades needed AMF to weaken a mage's defenses. The only reason the Hucks are able to curbstomp the TSAB is because of their anti magic.
 

vic-vic

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Indeed magic CAN be lethal if user want it to happen. Sieg's spell in berserker mode could kill Einhart if she didn't dodge it and the only diference between lethal and non-lethal usage was amount of mana charged into the spell.

I think horde of Gadget Drones that were armed with harpoons with attached anti-magic field generators would be a nightmare for TSAB to face.
 
Not quite, you two. A transcript of Fate's sermon so everyone can refresh their memory:

Fate: The TSA generally forbids mass-based weapons, so it would be hard to deal with them.
Caro: Mass-based weapons?
Fate: I guess you could say they're physical weapons that don't use magic, maybe. They fire physical matter that strikes the enemy or explodes. Mid-Childa, during its wars, and ancient Belka used those weapons primarily.
Erio: I've heard of them. Once they're made, even a kid can use them. And that moving a finger could destroy a town or an entire world.
Fate: Yes. Ever since its founding, for peace and safety, the TSA has rooted out those weapons and started to regulate the use of Lost Logia. That was about 150 years ago. But weapons are needed for a variety of reasons. Now then, what did we do?
Erio: Being both clean and relatively safe, magical civilization was recommended.
Fate: That's right. The TSA's effective use of magic is what enabled it to manage the various worlds. They established their main branch in the sea where all the worlds float, Dimensional Space. And they put their land-based HQ where they originated, Mid-Childa.
Caro: That's the beginning of the new historical era, 75 years ago.
Fate: Yes. And who was it that saw the TSA through the new historical era, when things were most chaotic, and made the world peaceful?
Erio: The renowned Three Admirals. I see.
Fate: But putting world history aside.
Caro: I'm sorry.
From episode 14, if anyone has a different translation they'd like to quote. I don't see anything in there about magic being superior because it's controllable, but I also don't see anything in there about magic being entirely non-lethal, so let's call this one a draw.
 
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