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[Souffle]

YOU KNOW WHAT NARU? FUCK YOU! YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU GOD DAMNED WHORE, I SAID IT! IT'S CUNTS LIKE YOU WHO MAKE GUYS LIKE KEITARO THE WAY HE IS, A COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING PUSSY! I CAN'T STAND ANIME GIRLS LIKE YOU! A GUY COMES UP AND SHOWS INTEREST IN YOU AND YOU JUST BRUSH HIM OFF BECAUSE YOU THINK HE'S BEING PERVERTED AND THEN WHEN HE GOES OFF TO START A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND YOU GET ALL OFFENDED AND DEFENSIVE THINKING "WHY IS HE TALKING TO HER?" AND THEN YOU AIM THAT JEALOUSY MORE AT KEITARO AND YOU CONFUSE HIM EVEN MORE! GODDAMN YOU NARU, AND IF THAT DOESN'T MAKE THINGS WORSE KEITARO HAS GENUINE ACCIDENTS THAT END UP IN HILARIOUS SITUATIONS AND YOU FUCKING BUTT IN AND PUNCH HIM OR GIVE HIM SOME UNDUE SHIT. I KNOW YOU MARRIED HIM AT THE END OF THE SERIES BUT I HOPE KEITARO WAKES UP ONE DAY FUCKING TIRED OF YOUR BULLSHIT AND LEAVES YOUR BITCH ASS HAVING TO TURN TRICKS TO PAY OFF STUDENT LOANS AT TOKYO U WHILE HEÆS RUN OFF HAVING A THREESOME WITH MUTSUMI AND KANAKO, AND HELL I BET ADULT KAOLLA AND FUCKING SHINOBU WILL BE THERE SINCE YOU KEPT FUCKING UP THEIR CHANCES WITH KEITARO. HAVE FUN GIVING HAND JOBS BEHIND THE JAPANESE 7-11 DURING THE DAY AND CRYING YOURSELF TO SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT THE ONE TRUE MAN YOU EVER LOVED, OR FOR THAT MATTER EVER TRULY LOVED YOU NO MATTER HOW SHORT A TIME IT WAS, IS GONE AND YOU WILL DIE ALONE! AND WHEN DEATH COMES BREATHING DOWN YOUR FUCKING NECK, YOU CUM GUZZLING DUMPSTER WHORE, I HOPE THE GRIM REAPER TAKES YOU SCREAMING AND PLEADING TO THE VERY DARKEST BLACKEST DEPTHS OF THE HELL YOU CREATED FOR YOURSELF AND YOU SAMPLE THE TORMENT YOU PUT KEITARO THROUGH FOR ALL ETERNITY!

I've never had my hate for her so perfectly put into words before.

I tried so hard to like Love Hina. I really did. It had Kaolla, Sara, Shinobu, Nyamo, Mitsumi, even Matoko. They were all such win of the highest order, how could this series fail in my eyes?

A Naru appeared, that's how. Every second she is on screen it's like my quality of life percentage goes down abysmally. Her scathing retardedness and assholery honestly turned me off of brown haired girls, which is some of my favorite. I used to not mind Tsundere until this bitch came in and fucked everything up.

However...

Thank you, 4chan. From that post above, i have finally laid my anger to rest. I could never even form words to express my incredible rage over this woman, this ruiner of erections.

Now, a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders, and I am free.

Truly, the only thing that could ever ruin my day is if there was going to be a Love Hina sequel. And there won't. Thank you, Negima. Thank you.

 

[zeebee1]

I have a feeling that you won't like Zero no Tsukaima. Even ith the lolis.

 

[Souffle]

I have a feeling that you won't like Zero no Tsukaima. Even ith the lolis.

I made it through the first season, and part of the second season. I'm more mad at it because it just went nowhere.

Infact the only girl i really like from that show is Montmorency.

 

[Legacy|iB]

Ah, that rant. I remember seeing it a few times. Naturally, I disagree, but we've hit that subject probably a few too many times around here so it's probably not worth going back into.

But congratulations on laying your anger to rest~! :lol:

Montmorency

...really? Interesting. She never really caught my attention or stood out at all through both seasons. For me, it was always Siesta or Agnes during the second season (and no doubt, the big-chested elf for the third).

But that's just me. I will mirror your comments about the series going nowhere, however, with the exception of the last episode. It was probably the best deus ex machina I have ever witnessed, just in terms of hilarity over how it developed.

ruiner of erections

:lol: :rofl:

 

[pyu]

Glad you got that off your chest.

Personally, I don't really know how people can summon so much hate for a fictional character.

 

[trevelyan1983]

They mistake manga and anime for Serious Business. And that is why they Fail.

 

[Lord Raine]

They mistake manga and anime for Serious Business. And that is why they Fail.

Not to start a war or anything, but doesn't that invalidate about 98% of everything on TFF, and about 99% of all Nerdom, Geekdom, and Otakudom as a whole?

Don't use "they" for that one, Trev. You're just as guilty as the rest of us. If you're going to try and sling universal truths around, it's usually more convincing if your wording doesn't indirectly presume that you yourself aren't guilty of what you're talking about.

Also. . . do you really have something else youÆd rather be doing? Or something else that you would be doing? Arguing over anime and manga characters is no different from political speculation, fantasy sports leagues, and any other such thing. The connecting thing isnÆt whatÆs being argued about, itÆs the fact that weÆre arguing.

I always laugh when people try and argue (which is in and of itself ironic) that humans arenÆt inherently warlike. Yes, we are. We find ways of turning everything into a fight. Fighting is in our blood. You say it Fails? I disagree. If we (because youÆre part of the group too) werenÆt arguing about anime and manga characters, weÆd be arguing about something else (or something ômore realö, as you might say).

Besides, isnÆt it better to argue about stuff that doesnÆt really matter, as opposed to stuff that does? IÆd rather get my daily dose of ARRRRGH out debating the comparative badassery of Alucard, Dante, and Vash, instead of having it all bottled up, just waiting to explode the next time I see Yet Another Stupid Person^TM.

If nothing else, consider it anger management and leave it at that.

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[trevelyan1983]

Uhhh . . . I was being ironic, dood. I argue just as much as anyone else, a fact of which I'm well aware. Hence the smiley, to indicate that, no, I wasn't being serious.

 

[GenocideHeart]

I always laugh when people try and argue (which is in and of itself ironic) that humans arenÆt inherently warlike. Yes, we are. We find ways of turning everything into a fight. Fighting is in our blood. You say it Fails? I disagree. If we (because youÆre part of the group too) werenÆt arguing about anime and manga characters, weÆd be arguing about something else (or something ômore realö, as you might say).

Humans are apparently the second most aggressive species on the planet. Only ants are more aggressive - if ants had nukes, the planet would be a radioactive dustball already, according to behavioral scientists...

 

[Lord Raine]

I know you were being ironic, but it was bloody late last night, and I still had some of my ARRRRGH left. Had to blow it somehow.

Humans are apparently the second most aggressive species on the planet. Only ants are more aggressive - if ants had nukes, the planet would be a radioactive dustball already, according to behavioral scientists...

Interesting. I hadn't heard that one before. I'm really not all that surprised, now that I think about it.

 

[Trunkyboy]

I have a feeling that you won't like Zero no Tsukaima. Even ith the lolis.

*waves hand* I don't! I don't! Being a loli doesn't excuse being a violent insecure little b. What's his name doesn't help the situation either by not having balls :/ He should have boned the maid and princess 10 ways from Sunday dammit >_<

You know, I think somewhere in Japan there is a HUGE storage vat with a cutting mechanism in front of it. About 90% of manga and anime males must walk by it and follow the instructions posted: Insert balls here.


And wow, that's quite a rant.

 

[Vexarian]

If your going to bitch about a character in that series failing, you should try to know the characters.

For one thing, you misspelled some of their god damn names, which to me points to you either not caring about the series, or using the Anime as a god damn point of perspective.

I have to say this so often, about so many different series. The Manga is, and will always be a superior representation of characters and events from the Anime, and any argument to the contrary will AT BEST, prove that they are two COMPLETELY separate and unconnected entities.

Holding a Bias against a fictional character, is only detrimental, ESPECIALLY if you plan on writing, reading, or critiquing fanfiction or fanart. Seriously, your opinion plummets in value, and you'd be lucky to be worth a damn thing.

I've always been stunned at the amount of hatred that's directed at Leading Female Characters. It's especially mind-numbing when you realize that NO ONE but you actually seems to notice that it's nothing more than a Slapstick Cliche, and should not, under any circumstances be taken seriously.

 

[PCHeintz72]

I have to say this so often, about so many different series. The Manga is, and will always be a superior representation of characters and events from the Anime, and any argument to the contrary will AT BEST, prove that they are two COMPLETELY separate and unconnected entities.

While I am perfectly in agreement with you on Anime/manga being different continuities of the same series. It is only a mere opinion that manga is *better* and should be considered the only valid source.

I've always been stunned at the amount of hatred that's directed at Leading Female Characters. It's especially mind-numbing when you realize that NO ONE but you actually seems to notice that it's nothing more than a Slapstick Cliche, and should not, under any circumstances be taken seriously.

If doing a comedy or humorous story off the source (like Ranma or Love Hina) I can agree. However... if doing tragedy, serious, or drama type story off the source, or taking a serious look at the source... then that violence must be looked at, categorized, and judged. And judging the level of viloence such female leads (Akane or Naru) put against the male ones (ex. Ranma or Keitaro), it rarely works in their favor.

Male/female gender roles make it into anime as well as real life, make no mistake on it. I guarantee you the popularity of such series as Ranma or Love Hina with the female issued violence against males would *not* be well recieved by the public were it the males constantly bashing the females through walls, into air, throwing explosives at them, or smashing them into the ground with tables, bats, mallets, or bokens... for percieved events.

 

[Lord Raine]

Ranting is not conductive to good grammar and spelling. I've seen you make some pretty boneheaded typos when you've gotten angry, and I know I've done the same, so that line of thought really isn't all that convincing.

 

[Vexarian]

Then guess what you have to do? Scale shit back to realistic proportions, and realize that the characters in the story don't have the same luxury of omnipresence that we do.

And while your scaling back the violence to realistic proportions, you should axe the turtles, mecha-turtles, magical girls, ruby colored moon, the islands of Mol-Mol and that other one. The Hinata Inn's Annex, Keitaro's immortality, Seta's Immortality, Motoko's sword and her Chi Attacks, and finally Mutsumi's resurrection trick.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Then guess what you have to do? Scale shit back to realistic proportions, and realize that the characters in the story don't have the same luxury of omnipresence that we do.

And while your scaling back the violence to realistic proportions, you should axe the turtles, mecha-turtles, magical girls, ruby colored moon, the islands of Mol-Mol and that other one. The Hinata Inn's Annex, Keitaro's immortality, Seta's Immortality, Motoko's sword and her Chi Attacks, and finally Mutsumi's resurrection trick.

I disagree... If one were to do that... one would not end up with Love Hina.

It should be perfectly possible to take a series like Love Hina and within the parameters of the given universe (turtles, percieved immortality, etc, etc...), change its classification from humor to serious.

In fact... I consider love a serious theme. As such, canon love hina straddles the border as it is.

Not all series can have a classification or outlook change and still maintain their parameters (Galaxy Angel I think would come to mind, or in the opposite direction, perhaps Princess Mononoke), but most are at least somewhat flexible.

 

[Vexarian]

And now you know what your attempting to do by making Love Hina "Realistic"

You can pull off basically any genre with basically any series, it just requires the proper finesse to manage it. (I think I may be tripping over myself with this point.)

Either way, what I think I should be getting at is, being biased at a character, especially for obvious slapstick is ridiculous. And I might add, it will show in your writing, and it's the equivalent of a speed-bump in your writing, rudely ejecting you out of your immersion.

 

[PCHeintz72]

And now you know what your attempting to do by making Love Hina "Realistic"

You can pull off basically any genre with basically any series, it just requires the proper finesse to manage it. (I think I may be tripping over myself with this point.)

Either way, what I think I should be getting at is, being biased at a character, especially for obvious slapstick is ridiculous. And I might add, it will show in your writing, and it's the equivalent of a speed-bump in your writing, rudely ejecting you out of your immersion.

Ohhh... don't misunderstand. I am no more really in for character bashing than most people. Nor do I really want to start another huge character introspection into the mind of Naru or others of their ilk.

I was just arguing specific points.

 

[Drawde]

I happen to agree with one of VexTheWarlord's points there. If you're going to take a slapstick series in a serious direction, you're going to have to rewrite all the comedic portions, instead of a straight translation. Little things like sending someone into LEO, or ending up nearly hospitalized, when the character is perfectly fine the next panel, wouldn't happen in the first place in a serious series. The main part of slapstick is that realistic injuries CAN'T happen (unless the plot calls for it), and thus the violence has no realistic reprecussions.

The hard part with this is labeling which parts are comedic. Too many people take all of the violence too seriously, saying any of it is wrong. Which always makes me wonder why they're reading/watching a slapstick series in the first place.

PS I happen to like many of the serious fics out there. I'm NOT saying you can't write one based on a comedic series. Just that most of the comedically exagerated parts don't translate directly.

 

[Vexarian]

Precisely.

Personally, I think the vast majority of slapstick violence should either be completely written out, or reduced to open handed slaps. I mean come on, you can't take violence where the effects only include softball sized welts and bandages, that disappear within four panels very seriously, that's just silly.

 

[Lord Raine]

You've been rather bitchy lately. Something you want to tell us, Vex?

 

[Vexarian]

You've been rather bitchy lately. Something you want to tell us, Vex?

Huh?

...If your trying to imply I'm a woman on her period, I will be unhappy.

But, in all seriousness, I'm not quite sure why I'm building up rage quite so readily, generally I only do this when I'm playing online games.

Perhaps it's directly because I haven't been playing any?

 

[Legendary Legacy]

For me, at least, rather than taking the violence as too serious, I just find the majority of it to be incredibly cliche, and therefore, boring.

In the series, Keitaro will invariably do one of several things:

1. Accidentally see a girl naked.
2. Accidentally cop a feel on a girl.
3. Get caught in a compromising situation with a girl.
4. Etc.

But no matter what he does, the outcome never really changes:

1. He gets beaten up. Usually by Naru.

All in all, I just get a sense of 'Been there, seen that' feel while reading it, because that sort of thing happens in A LOT of other mangas as well.

Besides which, even if the set-ups differ like the ways I mentioned above, when the punchline (no pun intended) is always the same, the comedy stops becoming funny or interesting in the slightest. For me it stopped being entertaining at all by about the fourth or fifth book. If it hadn't been for characters like Su, Matoko and Mutsumi, I'd have stopped reading right there. For me, slap-stick comedy should be more than scene after scene of a girl calling a guy a pervert and then whaling on him, and even though that's not the only form of comedy in Love Hina (And various other manga), it is the most dominate form.

 

[SimmyC]

We have a gazillion threads dedicated to hating Naru. So, for the most part, I'm not going to retread the same ideas.

I have said before, I don't like Naru. Now, I no longer have the same rage as I did when I first got into the series, but it's still a dislike.

Now, on the aspect of making a serious story out of a comedic story, in many ways, I agree. I mean, imagine if people made Seinfield or Fraser into a drama story. Wouldn't work in most cases. Even when it has a more 'serious' episode, those are still interlaced with comedy that, a pure drama story just won't do.

The only reason why Love Hina can sort of work with a serious story is, that there are some serious moments in the story. Especially after Keitaro gets into Toudai. After all, the main conflict, will she (Naru) or won't she accept Keitaro hasn't been resolved. And the issue becomes a lot more serious at this point in the story.

That being said, can't get away from the more fanciful parts of the story. Bitch or not, Naru knocking people into LEO is not reality. And yes, I'm of the firm believer that it was meant as comedy. We may not see it as funny given the circumstances, but that is what Akamatsu meant it.

Even with my oft delayed "Fallen Blade" or the even darker *if that is even possible* and also oft delayed fic "Brother's Keeper", they try to keep the humor of the story, while telling a VERY serious story. It's the only way you can really make a Love Hina story and be successful IMO. I mean, it isn't impossible to make a pure serious fic, just not easy either especially if you're putting it in the Love Hina verse.