Akamatsuverse [Negima]Miscellaneous ideas topic.
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I think they would. The problem with crossing Dresden Files with Negima, or another magic-centric series (as opposed to Love Hina, where despite being in the same universe as Negima, what magic we see is only vaguely defined, and little or nothing is said about magical societies, so it's easy to divorce LH from MSN), is that in DF, breaking the <a href='http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Magic' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Seven Laws of Magic</a> makes you go crazy-evil (not inevitably, but the probability is extremely high), and then the White Council cuts your head off. This is a problem, because magic-users in many magic-centric series are breaking the DF-verse Laws of Magic left and right (turning a person into an ermine absolutely breaks the Second Law), and are not going crazy-evil as a result.
Thus, you need to explain why DF magic works that way, and why other magic doesn't, and you need to decide whether the White Council knows or care that people using this other style don't go crazy-evil from violating the Laws, and explain why anyone would use DF magic in the first place. Alternatively, you need to decide which universe's backstory and rules is dominant, and which needs to be altered to fit.
I don't quite know DF enough to answer the other questions with certainty, though what I do know does not make it hard to believe that Eva might ally with the Winter Court (though I wonder what type of Vampire she is, here, as she doesn't fit any known type from DF), nor that Negi might eventually be given Soulfire.
I think they would. The problem with crossing Dresden Files with Negima, or another magic-centric series (as opposed to Love Hina, where despite being in the same universe as Negima, what magic we see is only vaguely defined, and little or nothing is said about magical societies, so it's easy to divorce LH from MSN), is that in DF, breaking the <a href='http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Magic' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Seven Laws of Magic</a> makes you go crazy-evil (not inevitably, but the probability is extremely high), and then the White Council cuts your head off. This is a problem, because magic-users in many magic-centric series are breaking the DF-verse Laws of Magic left and right (turning a person into an ermine absolutely breaks the Second Law), and are not going crazy-evil as a result.
Thus, you need to explain why DF magic works that way, and why other magic doesn't, and you need to decide whether the White Council knows or care that people using this other style don't go crazy-evil from violating the Laws, and explain why anyone would use DF magic in the first place. Alternatively, you need to decide which universe's backstory and rules is dominant, and which needs to be altered to fit.
I don't quite know DF enough to answer the other questions with certainty, though what I do know does not make it hard to believe that Eva might ally with the Winter Court (though I wonder what type of Vampire she is, here, as she doesn't fit any known type from DF), nor that Negi might eventually be given Soulfire.
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
well the reason why breaking the DF laws drives you crazy is because in the DF to work magic you have to truly believe in it. So killing a dude, well you truly believe you have the right to kill that dude right there. The more you do the stuff that is against the laws the more you feel that you SHOULD do the stuff that is against the laws because of the way that DF magic works. Obviously, this can sometimes be mitigated by self-defense for a first offense as that happens to Dresden as seen in the first book, but because the White Council is very VERY much against grey areas you'll probably need to have a powerful NEEDED senior wizard vouch for you and even then you're likely to get your head chopped off if you put a toe out of line. Negima magic doesn't seem to really affect the spell caster much it's more mechanical in the sense that you say your self-hypnotizing phrase and release power. I could be wrong about the Negima angle though, it's been awhile since I read that.
So Really to reconcile Negima and Dresden Files you have to explain why Negima magic doesn't cause mental patterns and so on.
well the reason why breaking the DF laws drives you crazy is because in the DF to work magic you have to truly believe in it. So killing a dude, well you truly believe you have the right to kill that dude right there. The more you do the stuff that is against the laws the more you feel that you SHOULD do the stuff that is against the laws because of the way that DF magic works. Obviously, this can sometimes be mitigated by self-defense for a first offense as that happens to Dresden as seen in the first book, but because the White Council is very VERY much against grey areas you'll probably need to have a powerful NEEDED senior wizard vouch for you and even then you're likely to get your head chopped off if you put a toe out of line. Negima magic doesn't seem to really affect the spell caster much it's more mechanical in the sense that you say your self-hypnotizing phrase and release power. I could be wrong about the Negima angle though, it's been awhile since I read that.
So Really to reconcile Negima and Dresden Files you have to explain why Negima magic doesn't cause mental patterns and so on.
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
Putting the verse mechanics aside. . .
Eva is as slippery as any Fae. She might ally with the Winter Court one moment, and then turn to Summer the next, if they'll have her. She might also make herself a leader of wild fae.
Negi might be granted Soulfire, assuming the Angels have no problem with Negima's version of demons. Otherwise they might question why he's hanging out with them.
Putting the verse mechanics aside. . .
Eva is as slippery as any Fae. She might ally with the Winter Court one moment, and then turn to Summer the next, if they'll have her. She might also make herself a leader of wild fae.
Negi might be granted Soulfire, assuming the Angels have no problem with Negima's version of demons. Otherwise they might question why he's hanging out with them.
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
Angels and Fallen wouldn't care about some magical cover-up. They have their own organizations and goals. It would be just like them to tell Negi everything <s>they know</s> they want him to know.
Which would culminate in an Angel and a Fallen both trying to possess Negi's mind at the same time. So he's now got a literal angel and <s>devil</s> fallen on his shoulders. And yes, they're both girls.
Angels and Fallen wouldn't care about some magical cover-up. They have their own organizations and goals. It would be just like them to tell Negi everything <s>they know</s> they want him to know.
Which would culminate in an Angel and a Fallen both trying to possess Negi's mind at the same time. So he's now got a literal angel and <s>devil</s> fallen on his shoulders. And yes, they're both girls.
RE: Miscellaneous ideas topic.
A book series I'm reading theorizes that a key portion of the body language of a winged race would center around the position of their wings. What if this applied with the Tengu? Setsuna would be in trouble two ways: first, because she's used to expressing herself with her wings, she doesn't know how to do so while hiding them, and thus would seem off to everyone (And even with them out nobody she knows would understand the cues indicated by wing posture). Second, because she's used to reading the expressions of people through their wings, she doesn't know how to read body language cues from people who don't have them.
A book series I'm reading theorizes that a key portion of the body language of a winged race would center around the position of their wings. What if this applied with the Tengu? Setsuna would be in trouble two ways: first, because she's used to expressing herself with her wings, she doesn't know how to do so while hiding them, and thus would seem off to everyone (And even with them out nobody she knows would understand the cues indicated by wing posture). Second, because she's used to reading the expressions of people through their wings, she doesn't know how to read body language cues from people who don't have them.
I don't Know if this has been proposed already (other than in my FF.net profile):
A few words different in the Konoka's omiai/prince Negi chapter (15 of the manga), and they're "married", but with a twist: Konoka only want to get rid of the damned omiai interviews, and Negi of class harassment so it's only a "fake". Konoka will pursuit Setsuna, and the class eventually get word of it (maybe thinking that they might accept a threesome or something along those lines, maybe thinking that Konoka is trying to be unfaithful), and as an added challenge either the Pactio will be reversed with Negi as a Minister, and Konoka as Magister, or she will be something else instead of a healer.
A few words different in the Konoka's omiai/prince Negi chapter (15 of the manga), and they're "married", but with a twist: Konoka only want to get rid of the damned omiai interviews, and Negi of class harassment so it's only a "fake". Konoka will pursuit Setsuna, and the class eventually get word of it (maybe thinking that they might accept a threesome or something along those lines, maybe thinking that Konoka is trying to be unfaithful), and as an added challenge either the Pactio will be reversed with Negi as a Minister, and Konoka as Magister, or she will be something else instead of a healer.
First thing: Omiai are very important and dropping in Negi in that situation to the extent to stop all the other suitors would mean that Negi and Konoka are all but married until they do a few "dates". Making it "fake" means shit because once you go to that point where it singles it out to one guy, it is pretty damn serious and to renege at that point or any point after it is a seriously harmful thing to family honor. Considering they were willing to extend the honor to a foreigner like Negi instead of one of those high ranked well bred Japanese... it is pretty much a done deal. So if you are doing it just to pair up Konoka with Setsuna with Negi as a beard before dropping it... it would seriously hurt the the Headmaster and Konoka's father's positions in the eyes of the Japanese. Any word of impropriety would shame their family. If it ends up Saishodoukin... well, that works I guess.
Also reversing the pactio would be useless because you have to make up a new one for Negi because his canon one would just let him use a copy of Konoka's (assuming they do a double pactio with each other).
If you go the other way... Not sure what you could give her that other people in the class don't do better because her all-heal was perfect for her. Not to mention that without it, Negi would die. She was given a powerful artifact out of necessity.
Also reversing the pactio would be useless because you have to make up a new one for Negi because his canon one would just let him use a copy of Konoka's (assuming they do a double pactio with each other).
If you go the other way... Not sure what you could give her that other people in the class don't do better because her all-heal was perfect for her. Not to mention that without it, Negi would die. She was given a powerful artifact out of necessity.
The Idea was more along the lines of they telling the 3-A about the Omiai as if it was done, and the Headmaster about the possibility of one (As in, give me a bit of time to decide gramps...). Nothing concrete until the Headmaster loses his patience at their slowness and seal the deal without their consent.
As for the pactio, IIRC, they're a combination of potential (of the minister) and necessity (of the magister). Negi din't needed a Fighter as much as he needed a Healer when he pactio-ed with Konoka, and by not having a lot of ministras, he wouldn't get Mille Vinculla. Making another artifact is not that difficult.
Lets see: Negi is a natural protector, a book worm with a serious trauma and motivation, and Konoka would naturally need him at the front-lines. Either he gets a Shield+Sword Combo to function as a Warrior Mage, or a support set of Book, Cape and Light Armor, to work as a combat mage. I'd pick the second so he later works in tandem with Setchan.
The rest is a bit of research (most of the artifacts use the magic language of the magister - I'm guessing Japanese for Konoka, unless Negi is the one teaching her magic).
As for healer, well there's another one available: Ako.
As for the pactio, IIRC, they're a combination of potential (of the minister) and necessity (of the magister). Negi din't needed a Fighter as much as he needed a Healer when he pactio-ed with Konoka, and by not having a lot of ministras, he wouldn't get Mille Vinculla. Making another artifact is not that difficult.
Lets see: Negi is a natural protector, a book worm with a serious trauma and motivation, and Konoka would naturally need him at the front-lines. Either he gets a Shield+Sword Combo to function as a Warrior Mage, or a support set of Book, Cape and Light Armor, to work as a combat mage. I'd pick the second so he later works in tandem with Setchan.
The rest is a bit of research (most of the artifacts use the magic language of the magister - I'm guessing Japanese for Konoka, unless Negi is the one teaching her magic).
As for healer, well there's another one available: Ako.
You don't stop the process just because you have a prospective match that isn't set in stone. That is what I was getting at. It pretty much has to be damn near done especially because it is being extended to a foreigner like Negi. Plus you also have to remember that her pairing is highly political in the Negimaverse, it can't be done flippantly because it would and could create magical tension between Western and Eastern mages as well as the magic world. None of that fake engagement stuff is going to fly in that political climate.
Ako was a buffer and light healer for minor wounds. Konoka was the dedicated white mage that heals everything with a Curaga/Esuna all in one. Without that capability to heal critical wounds and remove debuffs, Negi dies multiple times no matter how you try to change things.
As for the roles, once he reaches a high level of power, they don't matter anymore. Negi already has magic armaments that he brought to the academy. He has magic guns, swords, and other materials so it isn't like he has to choose one or the other. Negi has always been a hybrid from the start of the manga to the end even through he chose the magic swordsman route in canon. So him choosing one or the other is rather out of character because Negi is pragmatic and goes with what works.
Negi also ISN'T a natural protector, he only grew into the role by character development with her experience with his class. His dad is one but Negi sure as hell isn't. That was the whole point to the whole last few arcs dedicated to his selfishness to achieve his goals and highlights how much he grown at the end. Even the end with the space elevator was more about his own goals and responsibilities rather than protecting anything.
Edit: In the end, you could ignore all that and do it anyways but you should keep the magic world in mind. If you think that they would sit quietly while Negi seemingly binds himself to a major magical organization without reprisals... ha.
Ako was a buffer and light healer for minor wounds. Konoka was the dedicated white mage that heals everything with a Curaga/Esuna all in one. Without that capability to heal critical wounds and remove debuffs, Negi dies multiple times no matter how you try to change things.
As for the roles, once he reaches a high level of power, they don't matter anymore. Negi already has magic armaments that he brought to the academy. He has magic guns, swords, and other materials so it isn't like he has to choose one or the other. Negi has always been a hybrid from the start of the manga to the end even through he chose the magic swordsman route in canon. So him choosing one or the other is rather out of character because Negi is pragmatic and goes with what works.
Negi also ISN'T a natural protector, he only grew into the role by character development with her experience with his class. His dad is one but Negi sure as hell isn't. That was the whole point to the whole last few arcs dedicated to his selfishness to achieve his goals and highlights how much he grown at the end. Even the end with the space elevator was more about his own goals and responsibilities rather than protecting anything.
Edit: In the end, you could ignore all that and do it anyways but you should keep the magic world in mind. If you think that they would sit quietly while Negi seemingly binds himself to a major magical organization without reprisals... ha.
He's got a point. In Eastern cultures, Omiai's are taken very seriously. Think of them as engagement agreements if you wish. They CAN be broken, but it would still be a stain on BOTH families.
If Konoka was an ordinary girl; what you said might fly, but for someone in a high-profile role, even the rumor of her accepting an Omiai would be big news. It would spread out of the classroom very quickly.
Something a bit more acceptable (but still far-fetched) is making Negi as Konoka's guardian. The grandfather is old and needs someone to look after his grand-daughter, arrange her marriage ...etc. For that, he looks to outside council. Considering that he knows Negi's father, it might work.
Basically, Negi takes on the role of being her marriage broker. There's nothing stopping him (if he wants) to marry her himself, but his primary goal is to look for a good candidate to be her groom. This way, if anyone actually asks Konoka for her hand, she can forward them to Negi without losing face.
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If Konoka was an ordinary girl; what you said might fly, but for someone in a high-profile role, even the rumor of her accepting an Omiai would be big news. It would spread out of the classroom very quickly.
Something a bit more acceptable (but still far-fetched) is making Negi as Konoka's guardian. The grandfather is old and needs someone to look after his grand-daughter, arrange her marriage ...etc. For that, he looks to outside council. Considering that he knows Negi's father, it might work.
Basically, Negi takes on the role of being her marriage broker. There's nothing stopping him (if he wants) to marry her himself, but his primary goal is to look for a good candidate to be her groom. This way, if anyone actually asks Konoka for her hand, she can forward them to Negi without losing face.
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English Gentlemen Syndrome
I was reading this thread (NSFW section, but still pretty safe, no Images and barely any mentions of Sex) and Negima recently, when an funny idea came to me once more:
In more than three occasions BEFORE Eva's Arc Negi excuses himself of involvement in the ladies by saying what amounts to: "Can't do that, I'm an English Gentleman." Sometimes adding: "My sister always taught me to be nice to girls." My idea is to have someone (Ayaka? Takamichi?) points to him that:
1. So is James Bond. Gentleman is different from Assexual. In fact they tend to be smooth seductive individuals. Gentlemen Clubs exist for a reason.
2. Rejecting or Ignoring someone's feelings is cruel and cold, not nice.
Of course this will freak the poor boy at first, for more than a single reason. But after he deals with this issues, he will try to adjust to his new view on the gentleman behavior.
Bonus points if later (on the Mahora festival) it leads to the same wish from Ashaman of Fire's Kitsune on the Campus:
"Why don't you kiss the whole class so we don't have to keep track!"
Cue a Kissterminator!Negi on a very larger scale.
I was reading this thread (NSFW section, but still pretty safe, no Images and barely any mentions of Sex) and Negima recently, when an funny idea came to me once more:
In more than three occasions BEFORE Eva's Arc Negi excuses himself of involvement in the ladies by saying what amounts to: "Can't do that, I'm an English Gentleman." Sometimes adding: "My sister always taught me to be nice to girls." My idea is to have someone (Ayaka? Takamichi?) points to him that:
1. So is James Bond. Gentleman is different from Assexual. In fact they tend to be smooth seductive individuals. Gentlemen Clubs exist for a reason.
2. Rejecting or Ignoring someone's feelings is cruel and cold, not nice.
Of course this will freak the poor boy at first, for more than a single reason. But after he deals with this issues, he will try to adjust to his new view on the gentleman behavior.
Bonus points if later (on the Mahora festival) it leads to the same wish from Ashaman of Fire's Kitsune on the Campus:
"Why don't you kiss the whole class so we don't have to keep track!"
Cue a Kissterminator!Negi on a very larger scale.
That kissterminator...always feels so forced. It is already a bit dificult to believe that Asuka would say "kiss" rather than "get through me", how much effort do you have to put into getting that one right command to get Negi to kiss everyone.
Rather, wouldn't it be more believable if she (or some other girl) still believed that he aspired to be a "gentleman" and say "This is wrong, Negi. Aren't you a gentleman? Then behave like one."
This would only work in your (Mu-sensei's) setting, but it feels like this would be more plausible. Except they don't know that Ayaka/someone else already started to twist his views on what a true gentleman should be like. And while he is still in doubt at the moment of the wish, this conflict in his head is enough to make the wish go in the one extreme.
Of course seeing how that evening most of his class are very happy, he might consider that proof of what his students, all girls, want a true gentleman to be. And thus begins his conversion to the lady-killer type of gentleman: calm, composed, powerful when needed and always ready to seduce and flirt with a sexy girl.
Rather, wouldn't it be more believable if she (or some other girl) still believed that he aspired to be a "gentleman" and say "This is wrong, Negi. Aren't you a gentleman? Then behave like one."
This would only work in your (Mu-sensei's) setting, but it feels like this would be more plausible. Except they don't know that Ayaka/someone else already started to twist his views on what a true gentleman should be like. And while he is still in doubt at the moment of the wish, this conflict in his head is enough to make the wish go in the one extreme.
Of course seeing how that evening most of his class are very happy, he might consider that proof of what his students, all girls, want a true gentleman to be. And thus begins his conversion to the lady-killer type of gentleman: calm, composed, powerful when needed and always ready to seduce and flirt with a sexy girl.
Something tells me that as much as canon 10yr old Negi would try to mimic memetic sex god favored gentleman James Bond, there would be a gray area where he would either:
a. have NO clue WHY he's doing it, other than "but it looked cool on TV/movies", you know... still being the innocent kid, just emulating a hero
b. go way past the squick line where he's basically an old perv in a young body... which is more Chamo's schtick (damn pervy ermine!)
Canon Negi is a gentleman because his sister Nekane raised him to be polite, kind and proper. Not because he was going to grow up to be a playboy romeo ladykiller that will charm the pants off most ladies that give him the time of day (which he pretty much WAS inadvertently doing whenever he took the age pills and acted more like his "older cousin Nagi").
A Teen Gentleman Negi, would come off better. Although honetly, what's the point of Negi being suave, dashing, debonair and smooth, if he's not going to be eventually looking for someone to be his Ministra/Partner/Consort (or harem if the author feels up to it).
Heck, wasn't there a mini plot where the girls thought Negi was some kinda european royalty and was sent to Mahora to find a bride...
a. have NO clue WHY he's doing it, other than "but it looked cool on TV/movies", you know... still being the innocent kid, just emulating a hero
b. go way past the squick line where he's basically an old perv in a young body... which is more Chamo's schtick (damn pervy ermine!)
Canon Negi is a gentleman because his sister Nekane raised him to be polite, kind and proper. Not because he was going to grow up to be a playboy romeo ladykiller that will charm the pants off most ladies that give him the time of day (which he pretty much WAS inadvertently doing whenever he took the age pills and acted more like his "older cousin Nagi").
A Teen Gentleman Negi, would come off better. Although honetly, what's the point of Negi being suave, dashing, debonair and smooth, if he's not going to be eventually looking for someone to be his Ministra/Partner/Consort (or harem if the author feels up to it).
Heck, wasn't there a mini plot where the girls thought Negi was some kinda european royalty and was sent to Mahora to find a bride...
There was. The rumor popped up first in the Omiai Chapter. Then it came back during Eva's Arc when Negi mentioned he was looking for a partner. Sakurako was the main instigator in both cases. Considering he IS royalty, and she managed to guess it right I believe is another effect of her unnatural luck.
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Another Random idea:
Nekane is worried about Negi's task in cannon, but nothing is ever done about that. Imagine if she hires someone to keep an eye on him. Imagine now, if by overhearing the Headmaster of Meridiana, this 'someone' is Mana Tatsumiya.
Mana already has a similar contract regarding Asuna, but Nekane's is a bit more specific: Keep Negi from getting hurt, and tell me how is he doing. Also make sure he sleep, eat and bath properly.
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Another Random idea:
Nekane is worried about Negi's task in cannon, but nothing is ever done about that. Imagine if she hires someone to keep an eye on him. Imagine now, if by overhearing the Headmaster of Meridiana, this 'someone' is Mana Tatsumiya.
Mana already has a similar contract regarding Asuna, but Nekane's is a bit more specific: Keep Negi from getting hurt, and tell me how is he doing. Also make sure he sleep, eat and bath properly.