Naruto New Divergence Points

Altered Nova

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That could be kind of funny, although he'd probably just get his shit stomped in by the both of them unless he whips up some amazing new ace in the whole in the short time he'd have to prepare after recovering from the fight with Sasuke.
 
Well. I'll have to admit, TL;DR.

So here's lots of ideas, from the very beginning of the timeline of the story, the Warring Clans Period.

Warring Clans:
This is the most versatile for fanfiction writers. The clan politics, the inter-relationships, the deaths of clan heirs and clan members and clan head, yada yada.
Just some that we can write on, 1. Tobirama or Hashirama died young 2. Madara or Izuna died young 3. their fathers died earlier than canon and left Madara/Hashirama in charge of the clan while the two were still friends 4. Izuna didn't die by Tobirama's hand/Izuna didn't die at all 5. Hashirama chose to kill Tobirama (unlikely) instead 6. Tobirama or Hashirama or some Senju clan member rushed forwards and killed Madara during the above choice scenario 7. someone sabotaged the peace treaty signing 8. Mito Uzumaki did not marry Hashirama but married Madara/Tobirama/didn't marry at all 9. Hashirama didn't distribute the Tailed Beasts

See? Goes on and on.

Founding Generation of Villagers (Hashi-Hokage):
Biggest plot point, Madara was installed as the Hokage
One of the big characters died
Madara didn't abandon the village/his clan
Someone caught Madara's eye (OC-inserts' favorite way of establishing themselves)
There were some peacemakers in the Uchiha clan that convinced the clan to be absolutely loyal to the village, which means Tobirama didn't have to make them the police force/made them the police force for a different reason
Madara was defeated but returned to the village
Hashirama was killed and Madara returned to the village insane and victorious, Tobirama was killed

Second Generation (Tobi-Hokage):
The First War ends differently
Danzō was appointed Hokage instead of Hiruzen
blahblah

Third Generation:
Orochimaru didn't defect
Someone else of the Sannin defected
Dan didn't die
Nawaki didn't die
One of the Sannin died
The Second War ended differently, with Konoha's crushing defeat
The Rain Orphans returned to Konoha
blah blah blah

Basically undo or redo everything that happened in canon.

Lots lots of ideas, so much that I can't write them all down!!
 

Knyght

The Collector
You could probably find more than half of these somewhere in here already. :snigger:

Hui Jikan said:
Warring Clans
The main problem with divergences from this era (and the foundation of the hidden villages) is that the ramifications are often huge and there's enough time between then and the present day to end up with a very different kind of world. And technically the same applies to later periods if the event is big enough. It can be interesting but also quite ambitious.

In fact, the only attempt I've ever comes across for the previous era is Naruto: Great Clan Days which does a suprisingly good job for the most part.


Idea: The Third Hokage and the Fourth Hokage are killed when the Nine-Tails is released in Konoha.
 

nixofcyzerra

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Danzo takes over, bad end.
 

thecuiy

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An idea I thought of doing but never got around to:

Shisui meets and befriends Naruto in the academy. Uchiha Clan drama goes down and Naruto becomes Gaara-esque because of Danzo fucking everything up.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Hui Jikan said:
Biggest plot point, Madara was installed as the Hokage
I was just thinking, if this had happened then Madara wouldn't have tried to use Kurama against Hashirama. It might not even be known that the Sharingan can control it. And so Hashirama wouldn't have decided it needed to be sealed away and probably would have left the other Tailed Beasts alone. Even Suna might have originally gotten the idea because of Madara/Hashirama so all of the Tailed Beasts, including Shukaku, could be roaming free until the modern day.

Edit: What if Akatsuki hunted and killed Orochimaru immediately after his defection?
 
knight504 said:
What if Akatsuki hunted and killed Orochimaru immediately after his defection?
Well, most of the canon storyline diverges, that said, and Sasuke would loose an outlet for his revenge.

He'll probably stay on in the village, but due to his emotional and mental instability self-destruct.

Also, if canon timeline charges forth the same as ever, the Gokage would die there, Tsunade split in half and the others god-knows-what.

But perhaps because of Orochimaru's death would then be the first Sannin death, Tsunde wouldn't be persuaded to take up the Hokage seat, Naruto or not. We already know Jiraiya doesn't like to be in the lime-light, he is the espionage master of Leaf for a reason, and so perhaps the Hat would fall to Kakashi, or Danzō, or someone else, but would probably end in disaster.

Holy.

That snake bastard did play his game well. Win-win in his favor no matter what!
 

Knyght

The Collector
Sasuke's mental well-being was doing quite well actually which was something that Orochimaru himself noticed. And near the end of Part 1, he seemed to be genuinely thinking of decided to live for his team instead of revenge until the Sound Four showed up. Plus there wouldn't be a curse seal stimulating his darker emotions or eroding his will, or Orochimaru himself trying to tempt him with power.

Without Orochimaru, Hiruzen wouldn't have been killed in the first place or have his village invaded, so the question of who becomes the Fifth Hokage wouldn't need to be answered yet. In fact, the Hidden Sound wouldn't exist at all, would it? So all those ninja he collected as followers and experiments would end up wherever they were originally.

I'm not sure what Jiraiya would do since Orochimaru is the reason he refused to become Hokage and his main motivation behind his spying was to pursue him. But that wouldn't necessarily mean he would change his mind after Orochimaru had been killed, unless events forced his hand.
 
Jiraiya would dedicate hours spying abilities to spy on Akatsuki much earlier.
 

Altered Nova

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knight504 said:
In fact, the Hidden Sound wouldn't exist at all, would it? So all those ninja he collected as followers and experiments would end up wherever they were originally.
Are we sure about this? Orochimaru did at least recruit Kabuto before leaving Akatsuki since Sasori used a brainwashing jutsu on Kabuto, and part of his big speech to Kabuto mentioned his plans to build a new village. So I think Otogakure was probably founded before Orochimaru defected from Akatsuki, although it's impossible to say how whether any particular one of his experimented-upon subjects were from before or after the defection.

If Kabuto survives Orochimaru's death at Akatsuki's hands then I imagine he would take control of Otogakure. I'm not sure if he'd still have his identity crisis and become Kabutomaru though, since that happened because Kabuto was inspired by Naruto to seek his true self in some twisted way.

I don't know why you guys are acting like it would be such a huge divergence if Akatsuki killed Orochimaru. It's not like he'd stay dead for long. He'd find some way to be revived through one of his cursed seals. Either Kabuto would revive him the same way Sasuke did in canon, or one of his "escape pod" white snakes (like the one that tried to escape from Itachi but got burned by Amaterasu) would escape and possess a Sound Four member or something.
 
If that were to happen, then it would simply be a delay in his plans, and the series would be more focused on him twisting previous plans to fit with his falling behind. Which would decidedly be interesting.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Altered Nova said:
knight504 said:
In fact, the Hidden Sound wouldn't exist at all, would it? So all those ninja he collected as followers and experiments would end up wherever they were originally.
Are we sure about this? Orochimaru did at least recruit Kabuto before leaving Akatsuki since Sasori used a brainwashing jutsu on Kabuto, and part of his big speech to Kabuto mentioned his plans to build a new village. So I think Otogakure was probably founded before Orochimaru defected from Akatsuki, although it's impossible to say how whether any particular one of his experimented-upon subjects were from before or after the defection.
I'm never sure about Orochimaru's history. But looking back, we can see Orochimaru in their uniform immediately after saying he wants them so I guess he sent Kabuto to investigate them before joining himself.

If Kabuto survives Orochimaru's death at Akatsuki's hands then I imagine he would take control of Otogakure. I'm not sure if he'd still have his identity crisis and become Kabutomaru though, since that happened because Kabuto was inspired by Naruto to seek his true self in some twisted way.
He'd undoubtedly have his identity crisis but he wouldn't try to resolve it like he did. He may not be able to resolve it at all. As such, I'm not sure he'd even be able to control Oto even if he wanted to know which he showed no inclination of doing even when he aimed to surpass Orochimaru.

I don't know why you guys are acting like it would be such a huge divergence if Akatsuki killed Orochimaru. It's not like he'd stay dead for long. He'd find some way to be revived through one of his cursed seals. Either Kabuto would revive him the same way Sasuke did in canon, or one of his "escape pod" white snakes (like the one that tried to escape from Itachi but got burned by Amaterasu) would escape and possess a Sound Four member or something.
Technically Orochimaru has never died in the manga, only absorbed or seal, so we don't actually know what would happened if he did. For instance, his curse seal might have vanished with his death. There's no guarantee he could sneak a white snake away during his murder, and no-one had any intention of reviving Orochimaru until Sasuke came up with the idea for his own reasons.

Had things been different, Orochimaru could have ended up as nothing more than a bad memory.
 

Yorae Rasante

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Day Two, you mean?
He barely told Naruto about him having two chakras on day one, he only got to sign the contract on day two.
 
IIRC, Naruto did spend three weeks training before Jiraiya got fed and throw him down the cliff.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Indeed. 21 days altogether, 3 days in the hospital and the tournament the day after.

This time Jiraiya gets fed up watching the kid just summon tadpoles all day - or maybe Naruto tempts fate by asking if there's faster way to learn it since he's on a time limit - and goes for broke.
 

Yorae Rasante

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wait, that makes 24 days, 25 if you count the day before when he met Jiraiya.
Does that mean he trained water-walking with Ebizu for five-to-six days before meeting Jiraiya? Or, since it seemed like the same day from when Kakashi gave Naruto to him, he took almost a week before asking for training?
I'm thinking Kishimoto made the math wrong on that one, or wasn't exactly three weeks...
 
I think he got a week of "free time" after summoning Gamabunta
 

Knyght

The Collector
He was unconscious for 3 days immediately after summoning Gamabunta and the tournament was the day after he woke up.
 

Yorae Rasante

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Yes, that's how I understood it as well... So either Kishimoto counted the days wrong or it was a few days more than three weeks - if a 31-days month, from my previous count, almost a fourth week.
No wonder Jiraiya was impatient!
 
What count?
Still, with a 31 days month:
1 day of training with Ebisu
21 days of training with Jiraiya
3 days sleeping
1 day awake before the exam

it's 26 days out of a minimum of 28(or 25 if we count the first day with Ebisu as the first day with Jiraiya)

Maybe we took "one month" too literally?
 

Knyght

The Collector
A minimum of 28 days is a fair assumption when someone says a month. Especially it's a month up until some kind of event.

It's not like Kishimoto getting his time frames wrong is a new occurrence.

Edit:...We've gotten sidetracked here.
 
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