Naruto New Divergence Points

[Altered Nova]

Actually that was canonically because Kakashi was way out of shape and weaker than in his ANBU days. He actually cranked up his own training regime with some one-handing mountain climbing during the month long training session in the Chuunin Exam after Orochimaru made him shit himself and he realized just how badly he'd let himself go.

And Zabuza is just massively over-rated by fans because he's popular. He was bested by a badly out of shape Kakashi, he was not actually all that strong for a jounin.

 

[Knyght]

Divergence: Tobi sends Kisame to capture B the first time around instead of Taka.

 

[Altered Nova]

He'd probably just fake his own death so he can sneak into Kumo hidden inside Samehada a bit earlier than in canon. I don't think Killer B's fate would change that drastically with this divergence.

The real potential changes would depend on what exactly Kisame was doing instead of capturing Hachibi during that period of time. If he was just standing by awaiting orders in order to give Sasuke a chance to prove himself to Akatsuki then not much else would likely change. But if he was off capturing the Five-Tails or something during that time then Sasuke would probably be given that job instead. Or maybe Tobi would have used that free time with Sasuke as an opportunity to sync him up with the Gedo Mezo, which he mentioned wanting to do but never getting a chance to at one point.

Really that divergence could potentially be a huge change or not change anything important at all, there are just too many unknowns about that situation.

 

[Knyght]

The way I saw it was that Kisame's infiltration into Kumo was a plan that came about because of Sasuke's failure rather than something they had planned from the start. Ideally, B would have been captured and then had the Hachibi ripped out of him so there wouldn't have been an opportunity for it in the first place. Nor would B have his brother and bodyguards there to make a timely arrival and even the battlefield is against considering how much water's there.

 

[Altered Nova]

If B was actually captured and killed in Akatsuki's first attempt then Naruto and the world would be pretty much screwed without him being around to train Naruto in controlling Kurama's power or to assist him in fighting off the zombie jinchuuriki. I'm really not seeing how else Naruto could survive without B's help.

 

[Knyght]

Tch. Logic.

He wouldn't be able to escape the barrier either. Not without Bijuu Mode at least. He could probably control KCM to a point if he can reach that stage but his pace would be a lot slower, I suppose.

But before any of that, having Kisame capture B means that several of the problems caused by Sasuke disappear too. A wouldn't gain a vendetta against him specifically which made him chase down Sasuke the method he heard he'd arrived at the summit. Naruto wouldn't have to go through all that emotional turmoil (yet) or go running off to the Land of Iron to confront the Raikage and later Sasuke himself. And if Kisame isn't busy hunting B this time, could he end up at the Kage Summit too?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

A asks for the summit because Kisame, a MIST missing nin, captured his brother.
Danzō still does his shit as before. Sasuke arrives and... nobody cares enough to actually stop him, as far as everybody know he's the dood who has killed Orochimaru and Itachi, two of the most dangerous people around who also were part of the same organization as Kisame.
Whatever there is between him and Danzō, is a matter of the Leaf.

 

[thecuiy]

this is one i might actually write somewhere down the line but i want to know what people think of it

Divergence: The one who reaches out to the young Naruto isn't Iruka but an Uchiha by the name of Shisui

 

[Knyght]

I wouldn't be surprised if Danzo attacks Shisui to prevent him from trying to control the Kyuubi.

 

[thecuiy]

that's the thing. Until Shisui tried to use Kotoakamtasui on Fugaku, didn't both the Sandaime and Danzo trust him b/c they knew Kagami? if anything i could expect Danzo to try to get Shisui to get Naruto to come to ROOT by his own volition.

 

[Altered Nova]

I'm pretty sure Danzou never stopped trusting Shisui, he just didn't actually want to prevent the Uchiha massacre like Shisui did and he really wanted the power of Kotoamatsukami for himself.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

I don't think Danzō trusted ANYBODY at that point, except maybe Hiruzen. And he trusted him being too soft-hearted to do what was necessary.

Shisui approaching Naruto would actually change a number of things: IIRC Iruka didn't actually soften\teach to Naruto until something like Naruto's last two years or so of Academy. Shisui died after Sasuke's first year.
That means Naruto would get somebody years earlier. Which, in turn, might mean he'd be LESS attention-starved, resulting in him being less of a troublemaker in class and possibly actually paying attention(more often at very least), as well as having a better reputation(I still think at some point people had it against Naruto because he was a little piece of shit, not caring at all about Ninetails).
Getting closer to Shisui automatically means he gets to know Itachi, Sasuke and most important Mikoto(who is not going to let her chance to help Kushina's son: the anime did state she did try when he was a toddler but was stopped, or I'm making up things?). Fugaku might be against it because he doesn't want to bring even more attention to the clan, though, but Sasuke and Naruto ARE schoolmates, so...

It also means lotta people is rushing to the Hokage to tell him those pesky Uchihas are trying to take control of Naruto for a second attack on the village like the one 8 years before.
Which is probably a GOOD THING for the Uchiha clan: it's going to bring all the seeping distrust on the surface, right on the nose of the Hokage for him to see the Uchiha clan wasn't exaggerating much when lamenting of being discriminated. Especially because he trust Shisui and he trust Itachi who confirms Shisui is acting on his own because he was sad for Naruto.

 

[thecuiy]

I believe in a version of Newton's Third Law when it comes to fanfiction. For every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction which tends to keep the story line from flying too far off the rails.

While I think Shisui meeting Naruto at a young age would solve alot of problems, (Naruto isn't so attention starved and could become much stronger than he is at the start of canon/ Naruto meeting Sasuke's family could change Fugaku's thinking about the clan rebelling) there are a few big problems that come to mind.

1.) Kurama. Naruto fraternizing with the Uchiha would definitely cause even more tension when he finally does meet the Kyubi.
2.) the few people stupid enough to believe Naruto actually is the Kyubi(ex: Mizuki). In their minds it could just be confirming that Naruto is the Kyubi and is conspiring with the Uchiha to finish the job he started years ago, causing both Naruto and the Uchiha Clan's reputation to fall even further.
3.) Danzo. While the Uchiha Clan themselves rebelling would weaken the village, if they had the Kyubi at their side there is a very good chance that they could take over the village. Old one-eyed wouldn't like that and would probably end up doing something extreme that ends up causing the Uchiha Massacre.

Also, as far as Naruto meeting Sasuke I really don't think they would become friends. I vaguely remember at the Valley of the End, the reason Naruto felt like he could identify with Sasuke is because they are both alone. But at this point, Sasuke ISN'T alone. To Naruto, Sasuke would just be 'the brother of a friend of my brother-figure'.

If anything I think Sasuke would just get super jealous like he does in canon because of Naruto spending time with Shisui, and by extension Itachi, and Mikoto trying to help the son of her dead friend.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

1. actually, it might HELP Kurama see not all the Uchiha are like Madara or Tobito. A few bad apple don't make a bad tree or something like that.
2. see my previous post. It's likely to bring the problems the village has with the Uchiha to the surface, therefore making easier to deal with them.
3. see above. This time, the Uchiha clan wouldn't be actually preparing for the coup. He can't act against the Uchiha "for the good of the village" because they aren't a threat yet and his double agent, Itachi, is confirming the deal with Naruto is completely unrelated and nobody, Fugaku in primis, is even THINKING of using Nintails inside the village, as it would be a really stupid move from every possible strategical and tactical point of view.

Sasuke and Naruto aren't going to bound over loneliness, that's true. But they are likely to be subtly forced by Mikoto and Shisui to spend more time together, because both really need to pass more time with kids their age. Basically they become "next-door friends".

 

[thecuiy]

Ug i really hope I'm not breaking the rules of this thread with this back and forth but here i go.

What I disagree with:
1.) actually i think it would be the other way around. A few good apples doesn't make a good tree and at this point the Uchiha most likely just think of Kurama as a mindless beast. if the Kyubi tried to do anything or even interact with Naruto, Shisui would probably just Sharingan it into submission. At this point just about no one would even think about trying to reach out to it.

3.) the Uchiha were preparing for the coup because they were being ostracized more and more in the village. Naruto hanging around them would probably only make that worse, especially if it comes out into the open like you said in 2. The thing is, the Uchiha without the Kyubi(controlled via Sharingan) is just an uprising that can be put down. The Uchiha with the Kyubi is something that has a good chance of taking over the village and would also rob Konoha of its Jinchuriki. this is super paranoid Danzo we're talking about. The coup was going to happen b/c the Uchiha had just about no other choice. Using the Kyubi inside the village changes the situation from -die slowly or fight back and die instantly- to -die slowly or fight back and take the village down with them or possibly win-. And Shisui is Danzo's agent, not Itachi.

What I do agree with:
2.) yes it would bring things out into the open and allow Sarutobi more wiggle room to deal with it before things escalate to badly.

and yeah, Mikoto and Shisui probably would try to push Naruto and Sasuke together. but i still think Sasuke would be a little jealous.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

1. and 3. can go either way, really.

For Sasuke, he'd be jealous ONLY if Itachi spends more time with Naruto than with him, which is quite unlikely. In this scenario, Naruto is SHISUI's "little brother" . It's actually more likely Sasuke would be HAPPY, because Shisui spending time with Naruto means spending less out-of-mission time with Itachi, which in turn means more Itachi-time for Sasuke.
Also, Shisui bringing Naruto to his spars with Itachi, while Itachi brings Sasuke. They would totally get fights on who has the most awesomest older brother.
Naruto's presence would also give Sasuke the reason to actually notice things: he might actually notice how people are basically mass-ignoring Naruto, and if this Naruto is pre-Prankster Menace Sasuke is bound to notice and possibly asking.

 

[Knyght]

Divergence: Kakashi is the one who dies in the cave, unable to react to the fallen boulder after he was struck in his blind spot. Obito tries and fails to save him.

 

[thecuiy]

inhib epic Obito double Kamui rofl-stomp of the Iwa-nin?

 

[Knyght]

Divergence: There are no preliminary matches and all twenty-one participants go to the third phase.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Divergence: There are no preliminary matches and all twenty-one participants go to the third phase.

then the tournament has to be split in two days at least.

Beyond that, the greatest changes would be in the matchmaking and the training, as now all the jōnin would have three people to train for the torunament

 

[thecuiy]

Divergence: When Naruto meets the Kyubi for the first time, Kurama tricks Naruto into trying to remove the seal and he ends up meeting his dad three years earlier

 

[Knyght]

How could Naruto remove the seal without the key anyway?

 

[thecuiy]

When Minato appeared in Naruto's mindscape during the battle with Pein it was because he was reaching for the paper that hides the actual seal itself. I'm guessing the same thing would happen even if the seal wasn't falling apart at the time. In my mind the way it would play out would be

1.) Instead of saying, come closer child- the Kyubi would say something to trick Naruto into removing the paper seal.

2.) Naruto starts to remove the paper seal only to get stopped by his old man.

3.) Minato uses his Hiraishin to save Naruto(because his chakra IS inside him at the moment) and then proceeds to have family bonding time.

Where it goes from there is up to the writer. I would just hope no, super op-godlike harem Naruto in the next week that rofl-stomps Neji

 

[ragnarok1337]

Divergence: at the Five Kage Summit, Gaara is unable to put up his Sand Shield in time and the Raikage kills Sasuke. Still loses his arm, but at least Sasuke is dead.

 

[Altered Nova]

Divergence: at the Five Kage Summit, Gaara is unable to put up his Sand Shield in time and the Raikage kills Sasuke. Still loses his arm, but at least Sasuke is dead.

Kaguya is unsealable, traps Naruto in the Infinite Tsukuyomi, conquers the world, bad end.