Nintendo Wii

SimmyC

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#1
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148462.html

Okay, who in their freaking mind called it "Wii"? I think it's pronounced "Wee" by the way. If they stuck with Revolution, that would still be cool. But Wii? Now what am I going to tell people when I talk about the system? "Hey guys! Look here! The Nintendo Wii! With the Wiimote Control! This is so cool! Oh wow! I'm holding Nintendo's Wii!" <_<
 

Fatuous One

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#2
Ye' GODS!

Okay, I can understand changing it from the "revolution" as it sounds somewhat conceited. However, dear god, Wii?

This little bit here only makes it worse.

Here's a catchphrase: "Wii will make you wee your pants!"

Note the last bit of the article.

"the name will grow on you."

... ... :unsure: that sounds... disturbing, is it like a fungus?

EDIT: Already, the mocking has come.

 

Israfel

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#3
Hmm I don't know, it definitely sounds stupid at first but after thinking about it a little bit...I don't know, it all depends on how good the console actually is, if it's good then people will get over it and people will get just as used to saying 'Wii' as they are saying 'Playstation', 'Xbox', and 'Gameboy' which, upon really thinking about it, are all pretty stupid names. But, if it flops like the G-Cube and N64 did then it will be forever mocked in tha annals of game history.
 

SimmyC

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#4
True. It isn't TOO out there. And again, if the game was awesome and the system is a success, doesn't matter what the name is. Unless the name is like Nintendo Backside Lovin, or Nintendo ManToy, it won't matter in the long run.

That being said, reading on game console specific forums, even Nintendo fanboys are not sure about the name. Heck, one even suggested that in the end, people will just say "I'm playing on my Nintendo!" They don't even want to use Wii. <_< I still contend they could have come up with something BETTER than this!
 

Fatuous One

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#5
"Playstation," "Xbox," and "Gameboy" may be sort of stupid names, but at least they don't make me think of taking a piss.

No matter how you look at it, even if the console is awesome, the name is going to go down in infamy as something you would do to a toilet, or being someone's wang.
 

SimmyC

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#6
I completely agree. Gaemeboy, Xbox, Gamecube, or Playstation might not be the greatest names in the world, but they also don't remind me of pissing.

Of course, having a cool name doesn't mean it will do well. I thought Dreamcast was a pretty cool name, and look where it is now. <_<

Even so, again, the best they could come up with is Wii?!
 

GenocideHeart

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#7
SimmyC said:
Of course, having a cool name doesn't mean it will do well. I thought Dreamcast was a pretty cool name, and look where it is now. <_<
TO BE FAIR.

The only reason why the Dreamcast failed was because the Saturn preceded it. The DC was by far the best console of its generation, and if you ask me, people were stupid for not buying more of them, since it had the largest good-games-to-shit ratio out of all consoles in the last 10 years, which is saying a lot...

The Saturn itself had piles of shit, but some of its games were beyond awesome. Panzer Dragoon? PD Saga? NiGHTS? Shining Force 3? Dragon Force? Radiant Silvergun? Guardian Heroes? Virtual On?

'nuff said. Pity the stinkers were so abundant on Saturn... Had it not bombed so badly, the DC might have fared better...
 

SimmyC

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#8
True. The Saturn did NOT help Sega's performance at all. Of course, who was to blame? Sega. They rushed the system and made it hard to develop for compared to the Playstation. Coupled this with the 32x, Sega CD, Gamegear and the Nomad (which I never even heard about until I looked into Sega's history), after that, Sega never really recovered.

I felt sorry that the Dreamcast failed too. It might have been the one system that could've saved Sega from leaving the console business entirely. Just that, the Playstation 2 was right around the corner, and the support just wasn't there (all burned by the previous failed systems I suppose).
 

tomdj1701

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#9
True, also lack osf support from Sega's Japan branch didn't help the Dreamcast either.
 

TheWickerMan

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#10
SimmyC said:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148462.html

Okay, who in their freaking mind called it "Wii"? I think it's pronounced "Wee" by the way. If they stuck with Revolution, that would still be cool. But Wii? Now what am I going to tell people when I talk about the system? "Hey guys! Look here! The Nintendo Wii! With the Wiimote Control! This is so cool! Oh wow! I'm holding Nintendo's Wii!" <_<
Acutally, they were not able to stay with the name "Revolution" due to trademark issues with Prince (as in Prince and The Revolution). Suprisingly this wasn't the first time this has happened.

Also, the Dreamcast finally quit making games in a Japan almost a year ago. It was so popular over there, they had arcade versions of it. It was just simply ahead of it's time. I still play my DC and got quite a few games for it.
 

EagleCeres

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#11
well i'm gonna steal a joke off little gamers and say "she should have called it the PWNtendo"

seems like it has a lot of potential, and it's a big gamble with the controler methods but it is revolutionary in it's attachments... i wouldnt mind playing soul calibur and waving the remote/controller around as if i were swinging a sword
 

GenocideHeart

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#12
EagleCeres said:
well i'm gonna steal a joke off little gamers and say "she should have called it the PWNtendo"

seems like it has a lot of potential, and it's a big gamble with the controler methods but it is revolutionary in it's attachments... i wouldnt mind playing soul calibur and waving the remote/controller around as if i were swinging a sword
And how would you control Voldo? Or Cervantes?

I refuse to have to buy two controllers just because the programmers wanted to be cute. The Wi fails to interest me for another reason, too. Nintendo cooperated to a remote-controller-based machine before.

Does the name Philips cd-I tell you anything? If not, I'll sum it up as "worst bomb since the Jaguar".

Any longtime players will remember that and be leery, I guaran-damn-tee that.
 
#13
I don't give a shit what it's called. I'm still buying one because of the incredible back library of games for systems I no longer have (or never had).
 

Antimatter

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#14
the thing that keeps me from buying the wii is multifold: Nintendos lack of creativity in recent years concerning francises, and its based around a controller, and nintendos lack of tech advancement.

Let me explain:

By creative, I mean their repetive use of a single core francise for half their genres. They don't seem to be willing to create anything new without first making a mario game based on the concept. This is something you just don't see from the other consoles.

Thw wii is a controller. Thats literaly how they are selling it. This is something they just could have given us on the gamecube, instead of forceing an upgrade for. Not to mention, if it doesn't provide what they are offereing, the console has little to stand on.

The lack of tech advancement is what really drove me away from them as a teen. the N64 was good, but they ignored the optical format. the gamecube was great, but the lack of online, as well again of using a standard format, hurt it. The wii is to the gamecube what the GBa was to the GBC: an advancement, but not nearly enough. And don't even get me started on handhelds. It took them a decade to match sega's tech, as sega gave us a 16 bit, full color, backlit handheld wiith a massive library long before nintendo matched that with the GBA:SP.

I may pick one up ion the future, but its pretty far off my radar atm.
 

toraneko

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#15
I would favor the Wii (fuck you, copyright law. Fuck you.) over the other systems for at least one good reason: affordability.

Xbox 360: US$400 for the full system, and fees for Xbox Live. Plus, not many great games on it yet; most of the hits are holdovers from Xbox. Furthermore, few (if any) of the graphic improvements the XB360 makes are visible without an HDTV, which I don't have the money for.

PlayStation 3: US$600. And rumored to have a $100 price tag on new games. What. The. FUCK were they thinking? :blink: Even if I want to play the games on this system (which I probably would), there is no way in hell that I can pay that kind of price tag. Hell, even the reduced-feature model is still $500! My bank account cringes at the prospect.

Wii: Quoted price tag is less than $200 at launch. Games likely to fall in the $40-$50 range. Also, has a great prospect in its favor: if the control scheme works as advertised (and according to insiders who have played the beta of Metroid Prime 3, it does), the Wii stands to do the one thing that consoles have yet to do correctly in my point of view. That being, making a first-person shooter that I can stand to play on anything other than a PC. I might go so far as to say that the Wiimote + Analog attachment is actually superior to the tried-and-true keyboard + mouse combo.


My wallet and my gaming instincts say to go Nintendo.


edit: Oh, and Antimatter? Did you actually play the Sega Game Gear? That system was crap. Utter crap with very few games on it, none of them any good. It sucked six AA batteries dry in about two hours or less, and the screen was affected brutally by motion-blur. The GB Pocket was the first handheld that I know of that fixed that issue.
Also. The way I see it, GB Pocket was the upgrade to the original Game Boy, the GB Color was an evolution of that. Then, GB Advance (which was a new and superior machine to the old Game Boys), with its eventual upgrade, the GBSP. (I waited and bought an SP.)
 
#16
Antimatter said:
And don't even get me started on handhelds. It took them a decade to match sega's tech, as sega gave us a 16 bit, full color, backlit handheld wiith a massive library long before nintendo matched that with the GBA:SP.
The Sega Game Gear could have been great.

Unfortunately it drank battery juice like water over a fish's gills. Not cool.

And the screen may have been color but it wasn't a good screen and it hurt the eyes to look at after a much shorter time than the Gameboy.

Also not cool.
 

Legacy|iB

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#17
The Wii doesn't look too bad. It has potential, but it depends whether people will catch onto the whole motion sensing controller. It's a nice idea, but sadly, ideas only work when you've got games that utilize them properly.

Sony and PS3...what's wrong? What have they come to? Sony, the once invincible juggernaut that controlled the console market, now blunders repeatably and without end. Their disappointing pre-E3 press conference, the exorbitant price tag, the suffocating arrogance of their company, and the list goes on and on. It's disappointing to see Sony suddenly do...all of that.

As for Microsoft and the 360, I think they're on the right track. It was bumpy for them, but they're doing surprisingly well. All the theories that they were going to quit the console market aside, I like how they're doing things and their mind is in the right place. I'll probably pick up an Xbox 360 later down the road, actually. Particularly when Halo 3 and Gears of War are coming up soon.

The memories from E3 2006 still stays with me. Needless to say, that single event turned everything around for Sony - from the very top, to where Microsoft and its first Xbox were at initially. I can't help but laugh a bit, actually.
 

Fatuous One

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#18
The more times goes on... the better Wii is looking, unfortunately... and I mean this by comparison.

The more I hear about PS3 makes me want to bash my head against my desk... not good, and (while I have one) the Xbox360... isn't throwing me much that interests me. I don't like Internet services that I have to play to use on top of my Internet fees (Yes, I'm cheap, and yes, I'm not a fan of MMORPGs.), so M$'s Xbox deal gets almost no attention from me. In total, I have four games for the 360 (and two of which disappointed me greatly), and I see no recently announced ones that are looking to good either. -_- And, while PS3 has many titles that are looking fairly good, the prices are just utter bullshit.

Nintendo's Wii is cheap, and also has many titles that spark my interest. That the controller might flop is an issue, but it takes a lot less faith then hoping the PS3 will be worth all that money, or that Xbox will suddenly start churning out games that grab my attention. -_-
 

Antimatter

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#19
toraneko said:
edit: Oh, and Antimatter? Did you actually play the Sega Game Gear? That system was crap. Utter crap with very few games on it, none of them any good. It sucked six AA batteries dry in about two hours or less, and the screen was affected brutally by motion-blur. The GB Pocket was the first handheld that I know of that fixed that issue.
Also. The way I see it, GB Pocket was the upgrade to the original Game Boy, the GB Color was an evolution of that. Then, GB Advance (which was a new and superior machine to the old Game Boys), with its eventual upgrade, the GBSP. (I waited and bought an SP.)
sure I have, I own one, and a nomad, a genesis, and a saturn. They aren't but 5 feet from me.

the Gamegear wasn't perfect, but it represented taking one heck of a giant tech leap that wasn't matched by nintendo for years. Nintendo could have made the jump to GBA SP tech years befefore they did, but chose not to, because they had no reason to. It was only major competition (on prelaunch paper at least) of the PSP that forced them to innovate in the handheld market, and then they just copied a few other designs, added a bit of nintendo (and Apple) flare, and sold it.

Keep in mind the Gamegear has a portable master system. you could even buy adapters that let you play MS games on it. that gave you two complete libraries of games for it, which wasn't too shabby. the Nomad was simular, it was a portable genesis, which played genesis games. Had Sega shiped ether with battery packs instead of AA batteries, they would have been perfect. Well, as perfect as tech of the time allowed.
 

Antimatter

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#20
Sony's problem was simple: they gave fans what they wanted, and where burned for it. I've hung out at their offical forumns for something like 6 years now, and the ps3 was pretty much everything peopel demanded of it, but never sat back to relize the price of what they were asking. Its a lot of bang for your buch feature wise, its just a hell of a lot of buck.

MS is really in a good spot. the 360 was "xbox but better" which is pretty much what was delivored. If you liked the xbox, its great. If you didn't, its crap.

Nintendo has a spot the other crave: its the apple of videogames. Sleek, fun, but not always the best software offereings by numbers. Woudl take an act of god to dislodge its fanbase.



And the screen may have been color but it wasn't a good screen and it hurt the eyes to look at after a much shorter time than the Gameboy.
Its 4 shades of grayish on the GB..you could look at it for hours. As for the GG? I own a VIRTUAL BOY for gods sake, my eyes are invicible after that.
 

toraneko

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#21
Antimatter said:
sure I have, I own one, and a nomad, a genesis, and a saturn. They aren't but 5 feet from me.
The Genesis was a bad-ass system, and I say that as a man who stayed true to the SNES. It was always a strong player in the games field. If only Sega hadn't fucked up with the 32X, and especially the SegaCD.
The Saturn was also a very kick-ass system. It got a major screwjob in the non-Japan market, though, primarily because of some very bad decisions by the Sega USA guys. A friend of mine had a Saturn, and we'd still be playing it had his stupid cousin not spilled lemonade directly into the box, thus short-circuiting and ruining it.
I do think the Saturn's method of saving game progress (battery backup inside the system case, which erases all saved games when the battery runs out) was utterly retarded, though.

The Nomad had a tiny little screen that didn't let you see any reasonable level of detail, and it too guzzled battery juice.

Nintendo could have made the jump to GBA SP tech years befefore they did, but chose not to, because they had no reason to.
Actually, the SP was long in development. First, during the GBC age, tech didn't allow for a clearly-lit color screen that didn't motion-blur to hell and back without carrying with it an insane price tag and a (this again) very short battery life.
Then, on the same general principal, they released the GBA with no light. The GBA, if you look at the hardware specs, is actually more capable than the SNES was, and it's still backwards compatible with GB and GBC games. But, since enough people compalained (rightly so) about the dark screen, they decided to develop and release the SP, with a rechargeable battery pack and frontlit screen. However, they held back on releasing it until a year had passed, so as not to undercut sales of the original GBA (they had to clear out inventory, y'know).

It was only major competition (on prelaunch paper at least) of the PSP that forced them to innovate in the handheld market, and then they just copied a few other designs, added a bit of nintendo (and Apple) flare, and sold it.
The PSP didn't play a part in the GBA:SP. It's entirely and solely up against the Nintendo DS. Since the two systems are pretty much entirely different (the PSP is more "computer-ish", while the DS is unique), it's not so much that they're fighting for the same demographic as that they're fighting for the overall market share. Considering the failure of UMD, and the pitiably short PSP battery life (there's that one again!), and also the improvements made by the DS Lite, PSP is losing ground.

Keep in mind the Gamegear has a portable master system.
The Master System? God almighty, now that's a big seller! *end sarcasm*
Seriously. That sold virtually no-one on the Game Gear. The Master System had only cult popularity, at best.

the Nomad was simular, it was a portable genesis, which played genesis games.? Had Sega shiped ether with battery packs instead of AA batteries, they would have been perfect.? Well, as perfect as tech of the time allowed.
Actually, the "tech of the time" guaranteed their expensive paperweight status. Power efficiency was low, and even with rechargeables the playtime between chargings was low. The tech departments at Sega just refused to see this, thus the Nomad bombed pitifully and the Game Gear never became a real contender.
Remember, I liked the hell out of the Genesis. The Nomad was good in concept, but trying to cram full-size TV graphics onto a four-inch screen means visibility is lost, and for a graphics-driven system like the Genesis, that's a death knell.

the 360 was "xbox but better"
See, that's what they should have done with PS3. PS2 was a hugely successful system; even after two other consoles which were technically superior came along and claimed a spot, the PS2 was still top dog.
The things I wanted out of PS3 are simple:
*Do what PS2 did and better. Better graphics, faster response times, faster load times. DON'T TRY TO FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN.
*Wireless controllers. Really, nowadays this is simple to do. No reason at all not to.
*Online functionality without charging through the roof. Not absolutely necessary, but I see the draw.
*Backwards compatibility with all PS1 and PS2 games. I only want to have one Playstation in my house. I like to keep it simple.
*Built-in hard drive, preferably upgradable. Xbox did it, Sony must compete. Also, a near necessity when online play is involved.
*Affordability. I'd be willing to pay $200 for it, and $50 per game. That's reasonable, and is the "golden zone" for new game systems by my research.

That's it. Well, that and plenty of good games. Any system is made or broken on the games made for it. Sony's always been strong in that field, though, so that wouldn't have been a problem.

Even if it was because of fan outcry, $500 or more is way too steep to capture the general market. I don't give a fat rat's ass what Sony's reasons for it are; the practical fact is that a large majority of the videogamers in the US cannot pay that kind of price tag.

Stupid move, Sony.
 

SimmyC

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#22
Yeah. While I'm more partial to the PS3 due to 'Sony Fanboyism', you can't deny that they have been stumbling out of the gate with the recent release. That being said, I'm not sure how much the Xbox 360 will benefit from Sony's stupidity. Yes, it WILL do better, and heck, I might even say that they have a definate shot at being number 1 this time around.

But if they do, it will be without the Japanese market.

As great as a position MS is at the moment due to again, Sony's stupidity, Japan just is not interested in the Xbox 360. The recent sales of the Xbox 360 in Japan that I have seen, they are barely competing with the PSP which I will get later on (just to say now that Nintendo DS is kicking butt there too).

Obviously, in many ways, Nintendo is in THE BEST position at the moment. Heck, in many ways, if they become number 1, more power to them. Just that, they probably NEVER expected to be number 1. Nintendo Wii (which I still say is a stupid name) was only meant to be a profitable 'low cost' alternative. If it sells millions, cool. Number 2? better but not required. All in all, whether the Wiimote actually catches on or not, Nintendo is still making the right moves, at the right time.

And in terms of the PSP and the Nintendo DS, IMO, even with all of the PSP's problems (price, battery life, lack of games, failure of the UMDs, etc.) it is still... doing okay sales wise, and is here to stay for the time being. More games are coming out for it (one of the big reasons why PSPs weren't moving was due to the lack of games. And from the looks of it, that is reversing), and while I will say that it will probably NEVER surpass the Nintendo DS, doesn't mean that Sony will pull the plug on it either.
 

cilrais

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#23
Am I the only one buying a PS3 for it's console-exclusive GIANT ENEMY CRABS and Riiiiiidge Racer?
 

SimmyC

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#24
I might still buy a PS3 to be honest. From the few games that I have seen on it, looks awesome. You can't fault Sony for making a powerful system. Now, you could fault them for screwing up promoting and making the system (they recently cut launch numbers because of 'production problems'. -_-) but, in the right hands, those are some kickass looking games on it.
 

toraneko

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#25
Don't be too confident in those pre-release video clips. Game developers have been known to fudge "authentic performance video using actual system hardware" by living up to none of those things.

Not saying the graphics aren't gonna be fantastic, but you just can't trust the trailers until about a month or so before game launch.
 
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