Oct 28, lots of MCU news dropped today.

Contrabardus · Oct 28, 2014

It's official, Captain Marvel is getting her own movie.

The film is slated for a July 2018 release and will likely feature Carol Danvers in the role.

Black Panther was also announced today with a Nov 2017 release.

We're also getting an Inhumans film and the next Thor film will be following the Ragnarok storyline it seems.

Avengers 3 will be a two part film which will be released in May of 2018 and 2019.

Dr. Strange, GotG 2, have official release dates as well.

Here's the complete list:

Avengers: Age of Ultron: May 1, 2015

Ant-Man: July 17, 2015

Captain America: Civil War: May 6, 2016

Doctor Strange: November 4, 2016

Guardians of the Galaxy 2: May 5, 2017

Thor: Ragnarok: July 28, 2017

Black Panther: November 3, 2017

Captain Marvel: July 6, 2018

Inhumans: November 2, 2018

Avengers: Infinity War, Part 1: May 4, 2018

Avengers: Infinity War, Part 2: May 3, 2019

It seems to me that they might be trying to set up a Dark Reign film in the future. Lending further credit to rumors Marvel may be attempting to reacquire Spider-Man and his rouges gallery or at least lease them from Sony for a few films.

I just hope that if they do they don't bother with yet another origin story film. There are enough Spidey origin films as it is and we really don't need another. The films are new and popular enough that they can easily skip that storyline and go straight into a movie where Spider-Man is already established.

jakkuzarippa · Oct 28, 2014

I think Marvel may have broken the internet for today...

-Tears of joy stream down my face upon hearing about a Captain Marvel movie. I hope casting doesn't suck, because I've not been impressed by the actresses for Wonder Woman or Black Widow. Saldana as Gamora was excellent though.

-Not sure how I feel about Civil War being a one-movie event in Cap's universe, but without the Spider-Man or X-Men/mutant movie rights, I guess the center point is going to be a solo slugfest between Stark vs. Rogers with inklings of SHIELD sprinkled in.

-I've said this in the Movie section, I'm of mixed feelings on the casting of Cumberbatch as Dr. Strange. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt based on his performances as Khan/Smaug

-Inhumans!?? Are you kidding me?? That's amazing that its getting it own movie. Haha, its almost like comics aren't a niche hobby to be ashamed of and mocked for... Also, surprised that they'd do Inhumans as a standalone and not simply cameo Blackbolt in one of the feature filsm (like Falcon).

-Black Panther is also a pleasant surprise. Anyone know who's been casted for it or is it still TBA?

-Liking the decision with the 2-part Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet movies. I'm assuming pt. 1 ends in Thanos curb-stomping the Avengers and one or more deaths (expiring contracts: Chris Evans, RDJ, Hemsworth). Pt. 2 features a full universe team up consisting of GotG, Avengers, Strange, etc.

Contrabardus · Oct 28, 2014

jakkuzarippa said:

Chadwick Boseman will be playing T'Challa. He's best known for his role as Jackie Robinson in '42. Some would argue this is his second Black Super Hero role.

We may actually see Black Bolt or some of the other Inhumans, if not all of them, prior to their stand alone film. Marvel likes to do that. T'Challa will be making an appearance in Captain America 3 for example and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Carol makes a cameo elsewhere before her film, probably prior to becoming super powered.

Cumberbatch is currently only rumored for the role, he's not been confirmed as playing Dr. Strange. I could see him in the part easily though. It will give him quite the nerd cred resume on top of his already impressive list of geek fandom roles.

H-Man · Oct 31, 2014

Rumor has it the Inhumans are in because they can't use X-Men. Might as well use Not-Mutants. Maybe the Maximoffs will join them in this? It's not like they can't have different lineups from the comics [like having Black Widow and Hawkeye as initial and good Avengers].

shinzero01 · Nov 2, 2014

Contrabardus said:

jakkuzarippa said:

Chadwick Boseman will be playing T'Challa. He's best known for his role as Jackie Robinson in '42. Some would argue this is his second Black Super Hero role.

We may actually see Black Bolt or some of the other Inhumans, if not all of them, prior to their stand alone film. Marvel likes to do that. T'Challa will be making an appearance in Captain America 3 for example and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Carol makes a cameo elsewhere before her film, probably prior to becoming super powered.

Cumberbatch is currently only rumored for the role, he's not been confirmed as playing Dr. Strange. I could see him in the part easily though. It will give him quite the nerd cred resume on top of his already impressive list of geek fandom roles.

T'challa might show up in Avengers 2 since Andy Serkis' character in the trailer looks like he might be a Black Panther villain and Ultron will probably want Vibranium for his body.

Contrabardus · Nov 2, 2014

shinzero01 said:

Considering they've cast him already it wouldn't surprise me if he shows up for a brief cameo. Not for a big role in the film though from the sound of it. They're making it sound like his part in Cap 3 is going to be significant.

Of course, he might just be alluded to as well and not show up at all, or have a scene shot that ends up on the cutting room floor to be tossed in with the extras on the home release. I think it's just as likely we might be introduced to a Black Panther villain and see Wakanda, but not T'Challa himself, at least not as Black Panther. Some sort of scene where the Vibranium Ultron gets his hands on being smuggled out of the country or something [assuming he does].

There is an Ultron Vibranium rumor getting tossed about and Hemsworth has mentioned that Ultron may either be made with it or get a Vibranium upgrade during the film. It's an off the cuff comment though and he may not know for sure one way or the other. The comment came when he was asked about how Ultron might be able to hurt Thor and he couldn't remember the exact name of the metal apparently.

Of course they could also go the Adamantium route as well and Hemsworth might have just gotten his fictitious metals mixed up. I do think Vibranium is more likely as it's established, but as I understand it Adamantium is not part of the deal with Fox. Lots of characters use Adamantium so it's not restricted to the X-books and isn't covered by the license. They may also be deliberately avoiding using the term as well to avoid confusion. Captain America's Shield is supposed to be a mixture of Adamantium and Vibranium, but they didn't mention Adamantium previously. I'll bet they use Vibranium, but they could go Adamantium as well and if they do they won't really need to mention Wakanda. Serkis could be playing a Hydra villain and have nothing to do with Black Panther.

It would be cool to get a brief look at Black Panther in costume during the film. I expect if we see him it will be as T'Challa as a diplomat in a suit doing diplomatic stuff in a brief scene and not in costume in an action sequence. Would be great if I'm wrong, but I don't expect it.

Emerald Oracle · Nov 2, 2014

Technically, in the comics Cap's shield is proto-adamantium made when the Scientist who eventually invented Adamantium literally fell asleep at the smelter, he eventually created Adamantium while trying to replicate the shield. But that's irrelevant comic book fan pedantry.

I do expect you're right about them using vibranium rather than adamantium though, given that in the MCU continuity his shield is explicitly made of Vibranium.

shinzero01 · Nov 2, 2014

Contrabardus said:

shinzero01 said:

Considering they've cast him already it wouldn't surprise me if he shows up for a brief cameo. Not for a big role in the film though from the sound of it. They're making it sound like his part in Cap 3 is going to be significant.

Of course, he might just be alluded to as well and not show up at all, or have a scene shot that ends up on the cutting room floor to be tossed in with the extras on the home release. I think it's just as likely we might be introduced to a Black Panther villain and see Wakanda, but not T'Challa himself, at least not as Black Panther. Some sort of scene where the Vibranium Ultron gets his hands on being smuggled out of the country or something [assuming he does].

There is an Ultron Vibranium rumor getting tossed about and Hemsworth has mentioned that Ultron may either be made with it or get a Vibranium upgrade during the film. It's an off the cuff comment though and he may not know for sure one way or the other. The comment came when he was asked about how Ultron might be able to hurt Thor and he couldn't remember the exact name of the metal apparently.

Of course they could also go the Adamantium route as well and Hemsworth might have just gotten his fictitious metals mixed up. I do think Vibranium is more likely as it's established, but as I understand it Adamantium is not part of the deal with Fox. Lots of characters use Adamantium so it's not restricted to the X-books and isn't covered by the license. They may also be deliberately avoiding using the term as well to avoid confusion. Captain America's Shield is supposed to be a mixture of Adamantium and Vibranium, but they didn't mention Adamantium previously. I'll bet they use Vibranium, but they could go Adamantium as well and if they do they won't really need to mention Wakanda. Serkis could be playing a Hydra villain and have nothing to do with Black Panther.

It would be cool to get a brief look at Black Panther in costume during the film. I expect if we see him it will be as T'Challa as a diplomat in a suit doing diplomatic stuff in a brief scene and not in costume in an action sequence. Would be great if I'm wrong, but I don't expect it.

Well Serkis' beard and haircut in the trailer look really similar to Ulysses Klaw prior to his transformation.
I'm guessing they'll have T'challa show up for diplomatic reasons as a way to introduce Wakanda and a 'new' viable source of Vibranium. Given that Cap 1 established that his shield was vibranium and that Avengers 1 showed that Mjolnir didn't even dent it, I'm thinking that Vibranium-Ultron (probably the one at the end of the trailer) is the one that breaks Cap's shield.

The one thing I'm curious about is the actual source of Ultron. Is it a Jarvis variant made by Tony specifically for combat? Did that abused helper arm-bot finally snap? Did Shield/Hydra try to copy JARVIS with some Zola-tech added in? Does Hank Pym have any ties to it at all? He's not going to be Ant-Man in the MCU but will be the source of the Ant-Man tech so they could still use him.
Edit: Apparently there are reports that it'll be Pym tech that Tony upgrades that results in Ultron as Pym may have worked with Tony's father. There is also a human Jarvis cast on Agent Carter...

Contrabardus · Nov 3, 2014

shinzero01 said:

Pym is going to be in Ant Man. He's being played by Michael Douglas. According to what I've seen he'll be shown doing the super hero thing as Ant-Man in the 60s and has apparently been disenfranchised and does not care for super heroes anymore. Speculation is that it's because of Janet's death. Lang becomes his protegee in the film and takes up the mantle as the second Ant-Man, I'm guessing unofficially and against Pym's wishes until the very end of the film if they go by the Official Super Hero Movie Handbook(tm).

Janet is not mentioned to have a role in the film, but Lang's love interest in the movie is her and Pym's daughter Hope, so we'll at least hear about her. Might even have the same actress covering both roles as there's apparently a time jump in the film that would put them at about the same age. I'm wondering if Hope, or Janet for that matter, will be shown as Wasp in the film. Lots of speculation about that, but they're keeping that under wraps currently. I hope so, and not just at the ending. I'd like to see her running around as a super hero with Scott in tow and not just the girlfriend that needs to be saved from the big bad villain.

I'm curious about whether we'll see Jacosta in the film or not. Probably not in a big role, but it would be interesting if she's putting about the background and maybe gets a few lines in scenes with Hank.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Pym has a role in Ultron, even if it's only a name drop. He may even show up as a cameo, possibly in the end credits scene. It would be a great way to tie the upcoming Ant-Man film into the MCU.

I'm not sure Jarvis will be directly related to Ultron. That may actually be how Vision is created. The same actor plays Jarvis and Vision, so Ultron may actually take the Jarvis AI and put it into Vision.

I'm actually hoping for a Pym/Ultron connection, it makes sense for the MCU to do something like that considering Ant-Man is the next film out the gate from them.

grant · Nov 4, 2014

I think someone should warn them about the possibility of the market getting saturated with comic book films.

Contrabardus · Nov 4, 2014

grant said:

I don't think that will be a problem. Comic films are different enough from each other that they'll pretty much always be a good fit for theaters. They can be quite different from each other. Comic movies can be any genre, horror, space opera, thriller, action adventure, comedy, etc. The same goes for comic movies with super hero characters. That's one of the things Marvel got right, is that they've been making different types of movies with characters that happen to have super powers in them instead of constantly trying to remake Superman the Movie with another Hero stuck in the lead role.

They might wear out a character, but not comic films on the whole. I hesitate to even call comic book films a genre because they can be so drastically different from each other.

Saying comic movies will saturate the market is pretty much exactly the same thing as saying movies based on novels will saturate the market.

Some will be more popular than others sure, but the good ones will stick.

grant · Nov 4, 2014

They're almost all action-adventure (for that matter, exactly how many horror comic book movies have we ever seen made?). And it doesn't really matter if good ones remain in people's minds because if the target audience eventually gets sick of seeing so many, you're going to see them stopping that good title after a while. It's not as though James Bond or Star Trek has had a consistent run. Remember that films, especially ones that have a large amount of special effects, need to get a lot of people in to pay back millions of dollars in costs. If they aren't getting in big audiences, the studios can't justify making more.

Emerald Oracle · Nov 4, 2014

True, but is there such a thing as Action-adventure fatigue? I mean, the various marvel movies aren't formulaic like James Bond, nor do they have the same cast of characters like Star Trek. You've got diverse casts using different takes on the A-A genre. You might get people tired of particular heroes, but would they also be sick of the universe as a whole?

I do think that you're right about the costs though, if there's ever a miss, something that stops the string of hits? It's going to have massive domino effects for the entire company and Genre.

da_fox2279 · Nov 4, 2014

Emerald Oracle said:

True, but is there such a thing as Action-adventure fatigue? I mean, the various marvel movies aren't formulaic like James Bond, nor do they have the same cast of characters like Star Trek. You've got diverse casts using different takes on the A-A genre. You might get people tired of particular heroes, but would they also be sick of the universe as a whole?

I do think that you're right about the costs though, if there's ever a miss, something that stops the string of hits? It's going to have massive domino effects for the entire company and Genre.

In that case, what do y'all think the film most likely to be a miss, of all the upcoming DC/Marvel films?

Contrabardus · Nov 4, 2014

grant said:

A few, action horror, Blade comes to mind, Hellboy, Constantine.

Plus there's been political thrillers, crime dramas, comedies, and various other types of films from comics.

You've got to remember that not every comic movie comes from Marvel or DC's main Universe stories, we've got things like Scott Pilgrim, Kick-ass, Sin City, Hellboy, Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Dredd, and a host of other comic movies out there good and bad.

There have already been a few not so great Marvel movies that didn't do so well, but they have survived and are still being made. Fantastic Four, Iron Man 2, Hulk, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and several others who didn't do so well.

James Bond is a good analogy for the Marvel series. It's been going for decades now and is still putting out decent numbers. When it was first released it put out films on a regular basis, eventually it slowed down, but they are still being made and still do well when done right. I don't see the Marvel franchises as being any different.

Sure, there will be a few not so great movies and probably some box office flops, but that is unlikely to kill the films unless they start consistently failing.

In fact, I think Marvel films actually have a better shot at longevity as a series that something like James Bond films. The stories and characters are much more varied. Bond is limited by the title character, it pretty much has to be a spy movie. Marvel is not so limited.

Effects get cheaper with time as well, so the budgets will drop over time. They'll be able to make films that look as good as what is currently being released consistently for less money. Writing and acting will still be a wild card factor, but the effects are the largest part of the inflated budgets for these kinds of movies these days.

I think the issue is that you're looking at Marvel as a single film series and not a Production Company name. It's a bit like saying that movies made by Warner Bros. might saturate the market and that everyone will get sick of them.

Sure the movies are tied together, but they aren't a singular story with the same characters. That's why I don't think it's prone to getting worn out in the manner you're suggesting.

Wolverine movies I might buy, maybe people will get tired of Iron Man films eventually. Marvel and Comic movies on the whole? Not so much. There are too many different types and variations. It's not like someone is making a new Superman movie every six months. They are usually completely different movies tonally and visually, with different types of plot and story elements. Some are definitely better than others, but they are mostly unique from each other outside of taking place in the same Universe, and that's why it's working so well.

Contrabardus · Nov 4, 2014

Emerald Oracle said:

That's already happened. There have been several comic movie flops and it hasn't slowed them down in the slightest.

Hulk, Fantastic 4 2, Dredd, Amazing Spider-Man 2, Punisher Warzone, and Iron Man 2 didn't live up to expectations at the Box office. Not all of them were bad movies, but they didn't do well and a few even flopped completely. Had no effect on comic movies in theaters on the whole though. At least not as far them being produced.

It would have to be a consistent string of failures one after the other over a long period of time and I don't see that happening. It's possible, but unlikely.

Contrabardus · Nov 4, 2014

da_fox2279 said:

Out of the Marvel lineup? Dr. Strange. Subject matter is a bit weird for a big budget movie. Not saying it'll be a bad movie, just that it has the most potential for failure at the Box Office. He's not a well known character to the general population and the Sorcerer Supreme's book is full of all sorts of odd things and isn't really very action heavy. Lots of special effects will make it expensive, but I'm not sure he'll draw a lot of attention from the masses.

Also, it's sort of outside of the other franchises. As far as I know it's sort of a standalone in the same Universe. No ties to Avengers or other films. I'm sure it will be connected in some ways, but not as directly like the other solo hero films released so far. That isn't necessarily bad, but I don't see it helping to sell tickets to the film.

I think the success of this film hinges on what else is in the theaters when it comes out. If it's relatively slow it's got a chance, but if it's competing against more well known franchises like Star Wars or a more prominent DC character probably not. Christian groups will likely protest and try to boycott it, but that may actually work in it's favor.

Honestly, I think it will do well, but I think it has the most potential for failure out of everything they're producing right now.

Sinister Six has some potential for failure as well. Not sure how well a bunch of Spider-Man villains will fare without the hero involved. Word is he'll have minimal presence in the film and may not appear at all.

For DC Suicide Squad. Without some sort of context for these likely relatively obscure characters I'm not so sure this will work. Comic fans will know what's up, the general public not so much. Could be the Guardians of the Galaxy for DC, but it could easily be a failure as it has no real name recognition. The fact that its a team made up of villains may help it, but I'm not sure.

Superman vs Batman might not be a good movie, but I bet it will bank at the box office regardless just because of the hype surrounding it.

Emerald Oracle · Nov 4, 2014

Contrabardus said:

I was speaking more for Marvel Films in particular than for the genre in general. Of those films you mentioned most of them doing poorly meant that their particular comic book franchise went dead or dormant for years at a time. We're not going to see another Hulk movie for at least another 6 years, Amazing Spider-Man continues to be produced because of peculiarities in its licensing, and while Iron Man 2 isn't as well regarded as Iron Man it was still a hit making back twice what it cost and doing comparably as well as Iron Man at the box office.

To sum up: while the genre as a whole will continue unabated the individual franchises can and will take hits, which will in turn ripple outward. Though I do think the genre is likely to remain big for a long time as long as the market can sustain it.

shinzero01 · Nov 5, 2014

Contrabardus said:

To be fair, Dredd 'flopped' in theaters but came back in blu/dvd sales once word of mouth hit that it was good. It also was poorly marketed and was only in my local theaters for three weeks before vanishing.
The film never actually had a chance to do good, particularly in the wake of the Stallone version. Karl Urban is still trying to get a sequel made and there is a decent amount of fan request for it. The biggest problem is getting to studios to give the film a fair chance in how they time it's release and market it.

The rest of the movies were just ranged from pretty damn bad to 'obvious cash-in'. From Hulk and Fantastic Four 2's being in the former, and Punisher Warzone's complete inability to set a consistent tone didn't help it. They were pretty large screwups.
Amazing Spider-man 2 suffered from poor plot pacing, poor characterization (Poor Electro), 'destined' hero issues, the apparent need to shove in Green Goblin and a forced classic comic moment that was spoiled in the trailers months before the film came out.

Emerald Oracle · Nov 5, 2014

Well, again, Amazing Spider-man 1 was only made so Sony could keep the film license to Spider-man, even then they had to give up the TV license. If it made money great! but that wasn't the point of making it really. When it was a hit they figured they had another blockbuster franchise on their hands like the first Spider-man Trilogy or the setup Marvel's got so they tried to push a LOT of stuff into Amazing 2 so they could build up a cinematic franchise/universe out of just the Spider-man stuff they have the rights too, and that went about as well as you'd expect something that hamhanded to go. I will be honestly surprised if they keep up with those plans any more than they have to to maintain their hold on the film rights. Apropos of this they appear to be in negotiations with Marvel to get Spider-man and the stuff they have the rights to involved with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, like putting Oscorp tower in the New York Skyline in Avengers. That fell through from having not enough time at the last minute, but it shows Sony wants a piece of the Marvel Pie and is willing to negotiate for it.

jakkuzarippa · Nov 6, 2014

Wait, wasn't Paul Rudd supposedly cast as Pym? Or was that just another rumor?

Contrabardus · Nov 6, 2014

jakkuzarippa said:

Paul Rudd is Scott Lang, the second Ant-Man. He'll be the star of the film with Douglas's Pym serving as his mentor.

According to what I've read there's going to be a time jump with the first part of the film showing Pym as Ant-Man in the 60s, possibly with Janet Van Dyne's Wasp.

Then a time jump forward to when Rudd's Scott Lang taking over in the present day, possibly with Janet and Hank's daughter Hope Van Dyne taking on the role of Wasp. Wasp hasn't been confirmed for the film actually, but it seems unlikely they'd leave her out, especially since she's an Avengers staple and even led the team for a while.

I'm guessing Evangeline Lilly will probably take on the role of both Janet and Hope in the film due to the time jump and the fact that Janet is probably going to be dead in the future segment. Her death is very likely what drove Pym to retire as Ant-Man.

da_fox2279 · Dec 5, 2014

It's Official: Benedict Cumberbatch is Doctor Strange

Ryan Renolds is Returning to Deadpool
Fox slots the movie for a Feb. 12, 2016 release.

Start making the chimichangas...

Contrabardus · Dec 5, 2014

Sweet. He's not my favorite actor or anything, but it's hard to argue he's not the perfect guy for the role.

Oct 28, lots of MCU news dropped today.

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