Oh. Dear. God.
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While I cannot speak for him, I personally consider that *very* annoying and would eventually stop reading for it, or replace them in my own copy, which in itself causes other issues.
I do not know if this Post speaks / reads English as a primary language. However, I will grant quite a bit of leeway spelling and grammar wise to a person whom does not speak/read English as a first language, but I detest authors going out of their way to do stuff like that.
I do not know if this Post speaks / reads English as a primary language. However, I will grant quite a bit of leeway spelling and grammar wise to a person whom does not speak/read English as a first language, but I detest authors going out of their way to do stuff like that.
............well.
Can't say I agree with you guys. Just because he tries to liven things up and add his own flair to a story, that makes it suck?
I find that incredibly small minded. I realize that some people are fanatical about grammar, and I am myeslf, but when I got into TBE, I overlooked the few mistakes I did find in favor of the story. You can't let things like that make you miss out.
Can't say I agree with you guys. Just because he tries to liven things up and add his own flair to a story, that makes it suck?
I find that incredibly small minded. I realize that some people are fanatical about grammar, and I am myeslf, but when I got into TBE, I overlooked the few mistakes I did find in favor of the story. You can't let things like that make you miss out.
Dude, you're dissing people - calling them small minded - for not liking deliberate grammatical errors? I never said it would suck, I said I wouldn't read it, which is an entirely different matter. Stop putting words into my mouth.
Let's say for a moment that an author - published or no, it doesn't matter - purposely spelled the plural form of any word with z instead of s (bearz instead of bears, for example). I wouldn't find that amusing, I'd find it forced and stupid. I'm not saying that TBE sucks, because I've heard lots of good things about it, but I can't say I should be expected to read deliberate mistakes and then like them. So that's my two cents.
Let's say for a moment that an author - published or no, it doesn't matter - purposely spelled the plural form of any word with z instead of s (bearz instead of bears, for example). I wouldn't find that amusing, I'd find it forced and stupid. I'm not saying that TBE sucks, because I've heard lots of good things about it, but I can't say I should be expected to read deliberate mistakes and then like them. So that's my two cents.
Well, implying that you would eventually stop reading it or replacing the original wording implies also that you would dislike it. I am not putting words in your mouth, only interpreting what you say. If you don't like it, be a little clearer.
And I'm not calling people small minded, I'm calling their views on something so trivial as spelling small minded. There is a big difference between the two.
And I'm certainly not forcing people to like it, only suggest that they overlook a few small mistakes in favor of the larger picture. I don't force my views on others, unlike a few people I've seen around here.
And I'm not calling people small minded, I'm calling their views on something so trivial as spelling small minded. There is a big difference between the two.
And I'm certainly not forcing people to like it, only suggest that they overlook a few small mistakes in favor of the larger picture. I don't force my views on others, unlike a few people I've seen around here.
On the contrary, there are plenty of stories I dislike which I know don't suck.
And it's exactly because spelling is so trivial that you can afford to be anal about it. It's not like running a spell checker takes more than five minutes, tops. It's a very small, but significant show of respect that the writer can show to his or her readers.
Anyway, like I said, there are more ways to liven things up than misspelling words, and I'm sure a writer who's produced as much and garnered as much attention as Post knows them. Which is why I'm kinda scratching my head as to why he'd do it.
And that's all I've got to say about this.
And it's exactly because spelling is so trivial that you can afford to be anal about it. It's not like running a spell checker takes more than five minutes, tops. It's a very small, but significant show of respect that the writer can show to his or her readers.
Anyway, like I said, there are more ways to liven things up than misspelling words, and I'm sure a writer who's produced as much and garnered as much attention as Post knows them. Which is why I'm kinda scratching my head as to why he'd do it.
And that's all I've got to say about this.
Bjorn said:
On the contrary, there are plenty of stories I dislike which I know don't suck.
And it's exactly because spelling is so trivial that you can afford to be anal about it. It's not like running a spell checker takes more than five minutes, tops. It's a very small, but significant show of respect that the writer can show to his or her readers.
Anyway, like I said, there are more ways to liven things up than misspelling words, and I'm sure a writer who's produced as much and garnered as much attention as Post knows them. Which is why I'm kinda scratching my head as to why he'd do it.
And that's all I've got to say about this.
And it's exactly because spelling is so trivial that you can afford to be anal about it. It's not like running a spell checker takes more than five minutes, tops. It's a very small, but significant show of respect that the writer can show to his or her readers.
Anyway, like I said, there are more ways to liven things up than misspelling words, and I'm sure a writer who's produced as much and garnered as much attention as Post knows them. Which is why I'm kinda scratching my head as to why he'd do it.
And that's all I've got to say about this.
But as a fan, I must resist the call of literacy and common sense!
We shall agree to disagree, no?
Hnn, it's just a spelling error, it's not a calling card, it's not something endearing, it's just an error. Post is a good author, I like his works in spite of this and actually have never even noticed this flaw in his writing, some people can overlook this flaw, some can't. It doesn't really matter either way, let it drop. It's okay to like an author, but to like it to the point of ignoring and trying to justify his faults is on the point of fanaticism, and fanatics never do well in conversation with people who have a known history of being rather critical. Just let it be, if they want to read it they will, if not they won't, don't try to argue and change peoples minds, because ultimately the only person you have control over is yourself, not anyone else, so just worry about that which you can control, not that which you cannot.
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Errr.........did you not see me dropping it in the above post?
And forgive me if I'm mistaken, but were you referring to me as a fanatic? Because I'm quite sure that a fanatic would not admit that casual grammar and spelling mistakes is not everybody's cup of tea and would try to force others to see otherwise.
I might try to convince somebody and even disagree with them, but I don't find it blasphemy if they still dislike the author's style.
Errr.........did you not see me dropping it in the above post?
And forgive me if I'm mistaken, but were you referring to me as a fanatic? Because I'm quite sure that a fanatic would not admit that casual grammar and spelling mistakes is not everybody's cup of tea and would try to force others to see otherwise.
I might try to convince somebody and even disagree with them, but I don't find it blasphemy if they still dislike the author's style.
Hnn, bloodthristy is more like it, ever since the beginning, ready to tear each others throats out, leaping at the first scent of blood, always looking for food but just as ready to devour our own should any of them show a hint of weakness. Ah, but such is the culture of a forum, and through it I suppose those who survive become stronger for it, as for those who don't well...hehe. All you can do is fight against it, tremble beneath it, or rise above it I guess.
Zeph, I like you. You're a good author, you read my stuff, and we get along for the most part. I will not, however, read any of Post works. You want my reasons? Fine.
1. Wyrd is not a calling card or a quirk. It's a misspelling, and any author that wants to be taken seriously would just spell the damn word out. Same thing goes with changing Demon and Magic into Daemon or Magyck/Magick for no reason, or changing any word back into an older spelling of it just to sound "cool". Unless the story specifically calls for it, or the word has a new meaning entirely, stop raping my favorite language.
2. I do not like silent narrators, period. I feel that Noel could be a much stronger character (from what little I read) if he fucking SPOKE UP once in awhile, otherwise every part he narrates from is just some weird form of 3rd/1st (2nd?) person narration and I hatehatehatehatehate it.
3. Post have too much hype going for him for "These Black Eyes". There are much better authors out there in the TT and DC sections who DON'T have to write 10000000000000 words to tell a single damn story. I...I don't know. I feel like he's trying to make up quality with quantity, you know?
1. Wyrd is not a calling card or a quirk. It's a misspelling, and any author that wants to be taken seriously would just spell the damn word out. Same thing goes with changing Demon and Magic into Daemon or Magyck/Magick for no reason, or changing any word back into an older spelling of it just to sound "cool". Unless the story specifically calls for it, or the word has a new meaning entirely, stop raping my favorite language.
2. I do not like silent narrators, period. I feel that Noel could be a much stronger character (from what little I read) if he fucking SPOKE UP once in awhile, otherwise every part he narrates from is just some weird form of 3rd/1st (2nd?) person narration and I hatehatehatehatehate it.
3. Post have too much hype going for him for "These Black Eyes". There are much better authors out there in the TT and DC sections who DON'T have to write 10000000000000 words to tell a single damn story. I...I don't know. I feel like he's trying to make up quality with quantity, you know?
... this is fanfic. Taken seriously?
Also, as to the grammare debate ... for fuck's sake, stop splitting hairs about a stylistic choice like it's the end of the world. If you read the story and like it, you'll ignore it. At least it's conscious choice and not 'couple dozen misspellings of the same word throughout one chapter'. He's consistent with it.
Besides, like any of the people here will tell me they haven't, on occasion, tried to introduce a wannabe-slang word or two of their own devising into the language.
Yeah, that's because Noir is, you know ... MUTE. Like, say, Matt Murdock is blind, only without any sonic scream sonar to cover?
Guy's got no vocal cords. Among other things. So I can't really see how you'd want him to speak. IMO, Post did a bang-up job of trying to tell a story through someone like that.
Actually, no. And from what you're writing, neither do you. You'd best reserve judgments like that until you've actually _read_ into the bloody thing a bit more. From what I'm seeing here, you've not, as you're nowhere near vitriolic enough to have read any significant amount of the story and gotten to dislike it through that.
TBE is not just one story. It's world is fucking huge. There's plotlines ... well, I shan't spoil it for you. I once summed it up with the words that: 'it's like a train-wreck' from a plot POV. Bad, bad things happen to people here. Punches are not pulled.
I can't rightly say that _I_ like this story. There's too much stuff in there, both good and bad, both uplifting and depressing, both heroic and horrifying. It's like a train-wreck.
But I can say, either don't touch it at all, or don't just 'take a little' from the front and slam it outright if you do start reading.
-Griever
Also, as to the grammare debate ... for fuck's sake, stop splitting hairs about a stylistic choice like it's the end of the world. If you read the story and like it, you'll ignore it. At least it's conscious choice and not 'couple dozen misspellings of the same word throughout one chapter'. He's consistent with it.
Besides, like any of the people here will tell me they haven't, on occasion, tried to introduce a wannabe-slang word or two of their own devising into the language.
Yeah, that's because Noir is, you know ... MUTE. Like, say, Matt Murdock is blind, only without any sonic scream sonar to cover?
Guy's got no vocal cords. Among other things. So I can't really see how you'd want him to speak. IMO, Post did a bang-up job of trying to tell a story through someone like that.
Actually, no. And from what you're writing, neither do you. You'd best reserve judgments like that until you've actually _read_ into the bloody thing a bit more. From what I'm seeing here, you've not, as you're nowhere near vitriolic enough to have read any significant amount of the story and gotten to dislike it through that.
TBE is not just one story. It's world is fucking huge. There's plotlines ... well, I shan't spoil it for you. I once summed it up with the words that: 'it's like a train-wreck' from a plot POV. Bad, bad things happen to people here. Punches are not pulled.
I can't rightly say that _I_ like this story. There's too much stuff in there, both good and bad, both uplifting and depressing, both heroic and horrifying. It's like a train-wreck.
But I can say, either don't touch it at all, or don't just 'take a little' from the front and slam it outright if you do start reading.
-Griever