Nasuverse Overpowered Crack Holy Grail War

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#1
Not to be taken to seriously, may bend or break some rules.

Pretty much what it says on the tin. I've got two Master/Servant pairings, so far:

Sakura summons Rider Illya (not a CG, a genuine Heroic Spirit - told you rules might be broken), whose mount is the Servant she summoned in her world's Fifth Heaven's Feel: Archer Herakles ( :ph43r: ). Sakura gets a new, advanced homunclulous body, that lacks worms, and can handle stress better. Zouken and Shinji either got smushed or ran away, but unless someone else comes up with something awesome that requires them, they have no place in the story, even after its over.

Wizard Marshal Zelretch summons Caster Medea. He may or may not be planning to win, but he's certainly planning to have fun trolling.

So, any thoughts for other Masters and Servants? Who might Rin or Shirou get? Is there a way to make pre-story Shirou overpowered, without ripping off Fate/Prismatic Chaos ('cause, Arturia with a decent power source is pretty overpowered)?
 

Archanon

Well-Known Member
#2
No. Wizard Marshall Zeltrech summons Caster Merlin (regardless of whether or not he's actually dead; rules being broken).

And then they both troll everyone.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#3
Emiya Kiritsugu summons Gun God, probably as Archer. Not because it would be all that OP, but because they would have super-excellent teamwork.
 

yog

Well-Known Member
#4
Shirou summons Son Goku as Lancer. Son Goku then trolls everyone by pretending to be his DragonBall Z version.
 

lask

Well-Known Member
#5
I've actually been playing around with an idea for a Heroic Spirit Ilya route, though in it she ends up being something of a villain, Ó la Archer. It ends up with Shirou and Gilgamesh doing a teamup to stop her.

I just need to flesh out the body before I start...

Which of course mean's it will never happen.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#6
That wouldn't fit the theme. There's no reason to summon Merlin if he can't summon Saber. And Saber wouldn't be summoned based upon the current theme.
 

Archanon

Well-Known Member
#7
zeebee1 said:
That wouldn't fit the theme. There's no reason to summon Merlin if he can't summon Saber. And Saber wouldn't be summoned based upon the current theme.
So have Merlin summon Saber. I mean, if Medea could summon up an extra Servant...
 
#8
And Saber gets a d*ck ;P
How about Shirou summoning Ort-chan?
 
#9
lask said:
I've actually been playing around with an idea for a Heroic Spirit Ilya route, though in it she ends up being something of a villain, Ó la Archer. It ends up with Shirou and Gilgamesh doing a teamup to stop her.

I just need to flesh out the body before I start...

Which of course mean's it will never happen.
Wait, Heroic Spirit Ilya is so broken that Shirou and GILGAMESH teaming up are required to stop her? Grail tainted Gilgamesh?

Wow. Things have got to be utterly wrecked for Shirou and Gilgamesh to team up. I mean, they hate each other on principle.
 

lask

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#10
Delta Green Friendly said:
lask said:
I've actually been playing around with an idea for a Heroic Spirit Ilya route, though in it she ends up being something of a villain, Ó la Archer. It ends up with Shirou and Gilgamesh doing a teamup to stop her.

I just need to flesh out the body before I start...

Which of course mean's it will never happen.
Wait, Heroic Spirit Ilya is so broken that Shirou and GILGAMESH teaming up are required to stop her? Grail tainted Gilgamesh?

Wow. Things have got to be utterly wrecked for Shirou and Gilgamesh to team up. I mean, they hate each other on principle.
Gilgamesh is mostly in it for a rematch. They had a fight earlier, and both of them jobbed it. Ilya came from a 'it went worse' version of the Heaven's Feel, and didn't really get how scary Gilgamesh was.

Gilgamesh, on the other hand, didn't really get that, in the end, Ilya was the one who managed to united the different factions of the supernatural when Geia's death cry called the Aristoteles down on the humanity that unleashed Angra Mainyu upon it. And with her death, managed to prove they could be killed.

It was an epic fight... to everyone else. Ilya was probably rather embarrassed about her showing, and the fact that her enemy walked away, but she has better things to worry about. Gilgamesh, on the other hand, has something to prove.

Ilya would really like to think of herself as Mind Of Steel Ilya, but it isn't really true. She has... issues. She doesn't care about achieving the Root, or getting a wish. She wants to simply destroy the whole grail system so that there is no way for her future to come to pass. For that, she want's to both destroy the Greater Grail, kill her past self, and kill Sakura. Also, Zouken showed that a sufficiently gifted mage could be turned into a Grail, with what he did to Sakura, and the Tohsaka might have tied themselves to the grail somehow over the course of the different Heaven's Feels, and anyways, they probably have figured out some of the secrets of it's systems over all that time, and might be able to try and build a new one. So she should kill Rin, just to make sure. Oh, and there's Caster. She probably isn't going to just fade away like a proper Servant, she'll find way's to keep herself around, and she might do any number of things with the leftover's of the destroyed grail. Best to kill her and her master to be safe. And...

Yeah, like that.

But it remains, she ISN'T mind of steel. She has a brother who she only knew a short time, who ended up cannibalizing his own soul in some way she never quite figured out, to 'fix' her. He didn't even ask her first, he slipped her a micky, and when she woke up in pain (she was used to pain. Dying is painful, but it was a different pain), he was gone. He had all these ideals about saving the world and being a hero, and instead he died to save her, and left her to the dying world.

So, logically, she would simply blow up Fuyuki. She could do it, to, but that would kill Shirou, and she isn't going to kill him. Over the course of the route, she tries to kill others several times (no alliance happens with Rin during this period), but Shirou keeps stopping her with command seals. In fact, he runs out of command seals with how he keeps stopping her, and she has such absurd levels of prana that she's able to almost fake Independent Action but using her own prana to shove the very laws of the world away from her.

During this period, she actually kills one of her targets. I've never decided on who. Sakura is the most obvious, but that makes me not want to kill her. AnywayÆs, Ilya realizes that she's never going to kill them all with her remaining amounts of prana. She still has a stupid amount, but the world is just eating away at her a an incredible rate. She still isn't willing to just blow up the town, so instead she creates a 'fake' Reality Marble, using Wish Granting to create a 'cancerous' world that consumes Fuyuki, removes it from the world, turns it into a Labyrinth, and beings spiraling into oblivion.

She then heads off to save Shirou and get him out of town before her spell kills him along with the people she wants to kill.

Shirou, on the other hand, is trying to save everyone he can find while this is going on. Gilgamesh has figured out that 'Saber' is obsessed with Shirou, so he goes to find him, since he knows she'll go looking for Shirou in the midst of all the chaos, and Shirou manages to blackmail him (by threatening his own life), into promising to help him save everyone in the town.

While all of this is going on, the Counter Force begins to act. Not the nice, friendly version of the Counter Force that humanity calls upon to destroy threats to it's existence. The bigger, meaner, version Geia calls on when some upstart rips out a big chunk of her 'flesh' and starts destroying it rather then let it reattach itself. The agents of the Counter Force began breaking through into the Labyrinth in multiple places. Unfortunately, IlyaÆs spell, her summoning of oblivion, has created a æsubstanceÆ of nothingness that Angra Mainyu can use to build itÆs own agents out of, and they begin escaping through the rents the Counter Force creates into the outer world. This gets Alaya involved, and it starts sending in counter-guardians to destroy the threat to humanities existence (and everything else within the barrier).

Eventually, Ilya find Shirou with Gilgamesh in tow. ThereÆs an epic fightà

And thatÆs the end of my outline.
 

Wilder

Well-Known Member
#11
.....Holy Fuuuuuu.....


I'd totally read the crap outta that...it seems it'd be a great read.
 

lask

Well-Known Member
#12
Thanks. Anyways, I was reminded of it with the mention of Heroic Sprit Ilya, since she's the Heroic Ilya I have in my head.
 

Prince Charon

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#13
zeebee1 said:
That wouldn't fit the theme. There's no reason to summon Merlin if he can't summon Saber. And Saber wouldn't be summoned based upon the current theme.
The biggest problem with summoning Saber would be the need to make Shirou OP enough that she could operate at her fullest extent.
 
#14
Well, a start could include like <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6728632/1/Tales_of_the_Kaleidoscope' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a> where Shirou is practicing Magecraft on his own from the vague instructions he got from Kiritsugu, nearly kills himself, and Kiritsugu finds him, freaks out, and begins to give him more proper instruction. Then you could have a Shirou that, while not good by any means, at least has more of an understanding of the basics, which I would imagine could only help.

Beyond that, the only answers I would have would be either Avalon doing more than healing Shirou and altering his Origin to swords or he comes in contact with the mud from the Grail at the end of the Fourth War and it has some effect. Of course, that would also result in some corruption of Shirou's mind, so how well that would work is debatable.
 

Archanon

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#15
You can spin it easily enough. In this AU, Avalon doesn't just heal Shirou, it also... hrm, having trouble wording it. It makes him more like someone from Arthur's age, back when people were apparently more potent/powerful. Not a completely ridiculous buff unless he does something about it, but combine it with him getting proper Magecraft training from Kiritsugu and he could be pretty super, if it's done properly.
 

Avider

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#16
Shirou summons EMIYA

Oh no, not Counter Guardian EMIYA, a bona fide Heroic Spirit EMIYA, who accomplished 27 miracles and saved the world 50 times over.

And oh no, not any regular summoning.

Shirou summons EMIYA...into himself.

Cue the world going wtflolok EMIYA = EMIYA NO PROBLEM THERE HE'S SO EMIYA

Meaning EMIYA that's summoned isn't Heroic Spirit EMIYA stuffed into a Servant container, but the actual Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
 

Prince Charon

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#17
Avider said:
Meaning EMIYA that's summoned isn't Heroic Spirit EMIYA stuffed into a Servant container, but the actual Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
:blink: ... yeah, that's OP enough. Wow. :yay:

EDIT: Especially if combined with Archanon's and He-who-voted-for-Kodos's ideas, so he has enough power for it.
 
#18
Archanon said:
No. Wizard Marshall Zeltrech summons Caster Merlin (regardless of whether or not he's actually dead; rules being broken).

And then they both troll everyone.
And Merlin summons Medea for eye candy.

Also, you have to wonder what sort of class the Boss of the Third Street Saints would be summoned as...
 

Wilder

Well-Known Member
#19
Avider said:
Shirou summons EMIYA

Oh no, not Counter Guardian EMIYA, a bona fide Heroic Spirit EMIYA, who accomplished 27 miracles and saved the world 50 times over.

And oh no, not any regular summoning.

Shirou summons EMIYA...into himself.

Cue the world going wtflolok EMIYA = EMIYA NO PROBLEM THERE HE'S SO EMIYA

Meaning EMIYA that's summoned isn't Heroic Spirit EMIYA stuffed into a Servant container, but the actual Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
Yo dawg I herd u liek EMIYA, so I put an EMIYA in yer EMIYA so you can Trace while you Trace.

Having gotten that outta the way, ME LIKE!
 

biigoh

Well-Known Member
#20
Prince Charon said:
Not to be taken to seriously, may bend or break some rules.

Pretty much what it says on the tin. I've got two Master/Servant pairings, so far:

Sakura summons Rider Illya (not a CG, a genuine Heroic Spirit - told you rules might be broken), whose mount is the Servant she summoned in her world's Fifth Heaven's Feel: Archer Herakles ( :ph43r: ). Sakura gets a new, advanced homunclulous body, that lacks worms, and can handle stress better. Zouken and Shinji either got smushed or ran away, but unless someone else comes up with something awesome that requires them, they have no place in the story, even after its over.

Wizard Marshal Zelretch summons Caster Medea. He may or may not be planning to win, but he's certainly planning to have fun trolling.

So, any thoughts for other Masters and Servants? Who might Rin or Shirou get? Is there a way to make pre-story Shirou overpowered, without ripping off Fate/Prismatic Chaos ('cause, Arturia with a decent power source is pretty overpowered)?
But does the queen of Shirous have enough routes? ^_^

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5007929/1/Gilyasviel_Von_Einzbern' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>reference no jutsu</a>
 

Amodelsino

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#21
Avider said:
Shirou summons EMIYA

Oh no, not Counter Guardian EMIYA, a bona fide Heroic Spirit EMIYA, who accomplished 27 miracles and saved the world 50 times over.

And oh no, not any regular summoning.

Shirou summons EMIYA...into himself.

Cue the world going wtflolok EMIYA = EMIYA NO PROBLEM THERE HE'S SO EMIYA

Meaning EMIYA that's summoned isn't Heroic Spirit EMIYA stuffed into a Servant container, but the actual Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
Then he uses the fusion earrings with Gilgamesh to fight <s>Buu</s>Angra Manjew amirite?
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#22
That reminds me of a fic where Majin Buu was actually the sealed form of the Overmind.
 

Mechatrill

Well-Known Member
#23
Avider said:
Shirou summons EMIYA

Oh no, not Counter Guardian EMIYA, a bona fide Heroic Spirit EMIYA, who accomplished 27 miracles and saved the world 50 times over.

And oh no, not any regular summoning.

Shirou summons EMIYA...into himself.

Cue the world going wtflolok EMIYA = EMIYA NO PROBLEM THERE HE'S SO EMIYA

Meaning EMIYA that's summoned isn't Heroic Spirit EMIYA stuffed into a Servant container, but the actual Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
So... Basically Emiya's doing a New Game+?
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#24
Hey in Zero, Rider was the King of Conquerors, right? Let's go with that as like a coincidence or whatever. Presenting <a href='http://berserk.wikia.com/wiki/Skull_Knight' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Rider, Emperor Gaiseric (Deceased)</a>. His NP is basically Ea only better.
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#25
Mechatrill said:
Avider said:
Shirou summons EMIYA

Oh no, not Counter Guardian EMIYA, a bona fide Heroic Spirit EMIYA, who accomplished 27 miracles and saved the world 50 times over.

And oh no, not any regular summoning.

Shirou summons EMIYA...into himself.

Cue the world going wtflolok EMIYA = EMIYA NO PROBLEM THERE HE'S SO EMIYA

Meaning EMIYA that's summoned isn't Heroic Spirit EMIYA stuffed into a Servant container, but the actual Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
So... Basically Emiya's doing a New Game+?
I resent that. :lol:



Also, calling Alexander the Great the King of Conquerors is retarded. Might I remind you that Genghis Khan conquered four times as much of the world as Alexander? And that his children doubled that? :rant:
 
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