Nasuverse Pactio in the Nasuverse

Cherry_lover

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#51
Antimatter said:
It's more a plot justification. He'd need her to be on the front line for something, or otherwise need a reason to give her a magical power boost or make use of the pactios other benefits (telepathy, teleportation, outfit storage, etc).
Couldn't she provide him with prana instead...?
 
#52
one of you two misunderstood the other i believe.
but the pactio between Shiro and Sakura would go either way: She wanting to fight along Shiro (and considering her own lack of self worth it would be less plausible and freaking epic for her) or Shiro needing a boost (Sakura providing prana for Shiro and maybe to the imaginary numbers)

P.D @ CL i don't consider ypur opinion of Sakura being conected with Akasha because she is canected to the 'other side' because thar phrasing could mean anything from the Kaleido to Alaya, Gaia or the leylines who provided Mada to the Grail. but that is Your opinion that it doesw, mine is she ain't.
@Everyone else who wants to discuss Sakura's and/or CL's worth or whatever you call it there is a Sakura thread here to discuss it or cuss yourselves out.
 

ttestagr

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#53
Deathwings said:
My real problem with the whole Sakura situation is that peoples just don't look at it like they should.

They look at Sakura and they automatically see the monster she became in HF. And yet, was she a monster at the beginning of Fate/Stay Night ? No, she wasn't, hell she actually was the penultimate Woobie if there ever was one.

But noooooo, because she cracked in one possible timeline, she suddenly become a complete monster that need to suffer for its crime EVERY TIME. And yes, saying that "I won't save Sakura in this story" is pretty much condemning her to constant suffering until her death, even tough the version of Sakura is basically innocent of any crime since she isn't Dark Sakura.

That is what get to me. People are automatically biased and let their bias make the decision for them and THAT is bashing. You can dress it up any way you want, but it will never change that fact.

NOTE: This a generalized rant. This is not aimed at anybody on this forum in particular.
Hardly. The major hate isn't that she deserves to be saved. Its that the situation doesn't come up in the majority of the game. A situation to give her a happier existence just doesn't exist without a very specific set of circumstances, that also happen to end up with a ton of people being sacrificed in her stead. The argument is that she can't balance the scales in her favor to make doing it a positive thing. To save her in the other routes without that series of events require massive author hand-waving, which is terrible writing. There has been nearly nothing but utter shit written that has that happen. The only one off hand that was good made massive changes tot he setting that affected a hell of a lot.

Then you have Mike, who believes the death of dozens of people would be a worthwhile trade for Sakura to be happy, if I remember his past statements correctly. Possibly even if you use a higher and more realistic estimate of hundreds, he'd still be of the opinion that the scale of worthiness falls in her favor. That people hate.
 

Prince Charon

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#54
Antimatter said:
completely ignoring the rest of the thread, I'm going to just talk about the subject here.

So If pactios function like they do in the akamatsuverse, they are basically magic transfers between a mage/magic user/chi user/etc and their partner.
They don't. The prana comes from outside the World, which is why it had to be made by Zelretch.

Thank you very much for staying on-topic, though.

EDIT: Part of the point was that this version of Zelretch is concerned by the 'peak mana' problem, and decided to do something about it, in a strange and amusing way, that let him troll the Association.
 

Cherry_lover

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#56
ttestagr said:
To save her in the other routes without that series of events require massive author hand-waving, which is terrible writing. There has been nearly nothing but utter shit written that has that happen. The only one off hand that was good made massive changes tot he setting that affected a hell of a lot.
Bullshit.

She's entirely saveable in the other routes, and given the situation I find it hard to see her just being ignored, especially with Nasu stating outright that there will be another war to deconstruct the Grail in ten years time (which Zouken will certainly be involved in).

Then you have Mike, who believes the death of dozens of people would be a worthwhile trade for Sakura to be happy, if I remember his past statements correctly.? Possibly even if you use a higher and more realistic estimate of hundreds, he'd still be of the opinion that the scale of worthiness falls in her favor.? That people hate.
I've never said that.

I think that Sakura deserves to be happy, and I oppose on principle the idea of murdering an innocent girl in cold blood because of what she might do, but I have never said "Sakura's happiness is more important than the lives of hundreds of people".
 

Prince Charon

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#57
shioran toushin said:
so a Kaleido*Prism version of pactio in the VN continuity?
Something like that, yes.
 

Ura Mamoru

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#58
Antimatter said:
Now, this all sounds like a bi-directional pactio based on the contractees feelings for each other. I'd almost think the bi-directionality could be a bit overpowered. In negima it's always the stronger mana source to the weaker, or so it appears. One is the shield for the other's attacks.
A bit of a nitpick here, but it isn't always stronger source to weaker source. It's from "whoever is written in the circle to be the master" to "whoever is supposed to be the Minister/Ministra". As I recall, one of the Q&A sessions explained that the master's name is written in the Pactio circle to determine which person is supposed to be the master in the contract. We know that the Minister/Ministra's name doesn't need to be written in because of the pactio with Shiori/Luna, when they didn't know her name at the time.

When Negi made a Pactio with Konoka, Chamo set Negi as the master, but Konoka has the larger mana supply (which, if I remember correctly, that situation is related to why Negi ended up mana overloaded after Konoka healed him at the Gateport - the contract was pouring excess mana into Negi as he was being healed, until it went over his natural limit).

I know it has no relation to the idea of a Pactio that taps energy from beyond the world (who the hell is going to have enough prana to be greater than the supply of prana beyond the world?), but it is something to note.
 

Prince Charon

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#59

Rin's pactio is active, Shirou has imposed Unlimited Blade Works onto the World, and Emiya is playing.

Someone's shit is about to be wrecked.
 
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