[Phantasy Star IV] The Call of Twilight

GenocideHeart

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#1
OK, I am currently replaying PhS4, and it reminded me of why I liked Alys so much - nothing against Chaz, but she was better overall.

This, along with me buying some new Planar Chaos cards, got me thinking - what if things had gone differently - what if Alys did not die, and instead Chaz did?

Wanting to see what I could come up with, I started writing a rough storyline, but I never seemed to do things as I wanted, so I scrapped it. Then, it hit me:

A Time Egg device. (those of you who played CT know what I mean.

As I wrote the new storyboard, another idea came up, and the result is the plot that follows. Let me know what you think.

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It all starts when Chaz is called in to clear a very ancient ruin of monsters. He proceeds to head there along with a team of Biomonster Hunters, as well as Hahn, and in the process of clearing the location out, he stumbles across what seems to be a secret room with a book written in VERY ancient language.

While he doesn't understand a word of what's written on the book, hahn does, and comments that it appears to be an old book of Motavian legends. He adds that Rune or Kyra may be able to translate it, and the two take it away.

Later on, they manage to get ahold of either of the two espers, and they manage, just barely, to translate the book (which, given its age, is amazingly well preserved). One particular section of the book attracts Chaz's attention - the section detailing an old legend titled 'The Call of Twilight'.

According to the book, the Call of Twilight was originally an ancient Dezolian ritual which was capable of 'returning that which was taken from oneself'. It also warned that the ritual required payment of a price, and the payment was to be adequate in relation to what the ritual would return.

Hahn doesn't seem convinced, and whichever esper translated that passage dismisses the section as just a myth, since not even the Esper Mansion's records detail anything about such a ritual.

However, Chaz isn't so sure. Fighting Dark Force and the Profound Darkness itself made him much less inclined to dismiss old legends as hogwash, and as much as he'd like to think he's moved on, the truth is, he still misses Alys terribly.

Determined to get to the bottom of the matter, and unconcerned about the warning about the price matching that wich is returned, Chaz decides to pay a visit to the one person he knows who's most likely to know anything about the Call of Twilight - Raja. Rika tags along for the trip, predictably enough.

Upon finding Raja on Dezolis, Chaz hits a nasty roadblock - as soon as he mentions the Call of Twilight, Raja's expression clouds over and he clams up tighter than a nuclear bomb shelter's blast doors. The old priest's reaction makes it obvious he KNOWS something, but he stubbornly refuses to tell Chaz anything.

Being unable to get anything worthwhile out of Raja, Chaz begins to inqure around. Unfortunately, the action appears to bring the wrath of the Dezolian clergy upon him - he and Rika barely escape with their lives, and only thanks to Raja butting in.

After fruitlessly trying to scare Chaz off with Doom And Gloom?, Raja gives up, seeing that Chaz wouldn't be swayed, and reluctantly tells him avout the Call of Twilight.

According to the old priest, it is indeed a ritual capable of bringing the dead back by striking a deal with an entity known only as 'The Deathbringer', but the price is heavy indeed - the one performing the Call will have to take the place of the person who lost their life originally, and on top of that the entire timeline of the person performing the Call will be put in jeopardy, as often the deal involves retroactively rewriting history.

Of course, Raja advises against doing it - Chaz was instrumental in the Profound Darkness's defeat, and Raja isn't convinced that Alys would have fared as well as he did. Chaz, however, believes otherwise, and forces Raja to cough up the details of everything.

At this point, a distraught Rika tries to talk some sense into Chaz. Insert cliche sappy stuff here, as well as Chaz being a mule-headed fool. Rika then refuses to come along with him, saying she'd rather stay there with Raja and wait for whatever event following Chaz's actions to happen rather than be witness to his throwing his life away, as she puts it. Chaz isnt pleased by that, but leaves anyway.

The rest... is still up to debate. Of course, he's going to meet the entity and ask to strike a deal with it, but what will the consequences be?

My personal idea is that he's given the chance to change things by being allowed to pilot his own body in that fateful moment when Zio attacked Alys, thus taking the hit she originally shielded him from and dying in her place. What happens afterwards... is anyone's guess. It could bring ruin to the whole universe, or Alys could be even MORE successful than Chaz was... or something completely different.

Thoughts?
 

FH_Meta

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#2
I think it's brilliant, even if I do have no idea how well this would turn out.
 

shout27

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#3
If nothing else, have "The Great Light" personally involved somehow (it irked me that all they say about it is that it left), perhaps Chaz and/or Alyss are "Technically" Demi-Gods?


edit: if he ends up time-traveling he can survive a day or two afterwards and can instruct Alyss as to the where abouts of some useful equip. as well as doing plot spoilers along the lines Rune=? whatever the guys name is whose memories Rune inherited.

edit2: when i mentioned about them being Demi-Gods i was thinking along the lines of either: the Ritual being a little more lenient in alternate payment methods (maybe Chaz has a couple of distasteful jobs: perhaps cataloging the deaths of "everyone" Dark Force has killed along with Method/Date/Time/etc.), or it'd be funny if Alyss the GL + Chaz the DF = lots of kids.
 

GenocideHeart

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#4
Memories...? Oh, you mean Lutz (Noah in PhS1). Well, it all depends on how the idea evolves. It also depends on whether Chaz will be semicomatose like Alys was most of the time or not.

One thing is to note - people who die due to performing The Call of Twilight cannot be brought back the same way. This is a rule in place to avoid endless self-sacrifice loops.

Also, the whole demigod notion is fairly distasteful to me. :huh.:
 

shout27

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#5
yeah, i guess your right about the demigod bit. I was simply thinking along those lines in regard to the payment (something different enough about him that he had an alternate payment method available).
If you really want to make things hard on everyone, he'll let Chaz keep the Final Headgear(i.e. saving his life) in exchange for the sword Elysium(i think that's the name), Chaz agrees thinking that when the past comes back it'll be right back to where it was originally.
 

GenocideHeart

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#6
That's Elsydeon, not Elysium. :snigger: Also, IIRC there's two holy swords - the Elsydeon is merely the only one who is actually in Algo. The other (Orakio's Neisword) is on Alisia III.

Technically, the PD can be defeated even without Elsydeon, but the sword is what allows to truly seal it away forever. Without it, it'll just be another 1,000 years interval, and then it will be back.

One thing to note though, is that The Deathbringer isn't an evil entity per se. It is bent on keeping balance in the Universe - one life for one life, equal amounts of Light and Darkness, et cetera. It'd be upset either way - if the PD is sealed forever, Light would gain a massive imbalance, but if it is allowed to run rampant, the imbalance would be in Darkness's favor. In a way, the 1,000 years cycle mantains the status quo.

Sure, it sucks for the humans who must deal with Dark Force, but hey... can't make an omelette without a few broken eggs. :snigger:

Personally, I'm more leaning towards the 'Chaz dies, OMG DRAMA' path, but the alternate one has merits too.
 

shout27

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#7
heh, as you can tell it's been a while since i beat the game. Besides, I still like some of the Crackish scenes that can be had with an EndGame! Chaz punted back to that point.

"Hmm.. Lutz... Oh! you're talking about that memory cube." while Rune is standing right next to him.

Another would be a "Red Herring" Quest, he says that the item in the dungeon isn't what they need, and since they skipped it Chaz remembers in the next dungeon why they went there in the first place (XP).
 

jwang

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#8
While I can see such a story pan out, whenever I hear the terms "time-travel" and "fixing the past" or ideas linked to those words, I always think of the butterfly effect. There is no way that I can see Rika allowing Chaz to sacrifice himself, so most likely she'll come along with him, just to stop his stupidity. Cue an endless cycle where everyone in the party somewhere along the line step in the way of the attack, until Chaz realizes that in the end, the past cannot be changed. Of course, this can also be twisted into a humorous vein where in saving Chaz, everybody dogpiles Zio and suffocates him to death.

"Don't worry Chaz! We'll save you! Chaaaarge!"

"Damn it people! I'm trying to get hit here!"

"Gah...can't...breath...going...dark... :rip1: "

"Well, whaddya know? Nobody but Zio died!"
 

GenocideHeart

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#9
jwang said:
While I can see such a story pan out, whenever I hear the terms "time-travel" and "fixing the past" or ideas linked to those words, I always think of the butterfly effect. There is no way that I can see Rika allowing Chaz to sacrifice himself, so most likely she'll come along with him, just to stop his stupidity. Cue an endless cycle where everyone in the party somewhere along the line step in the way of the attack, until Chaz realizes that in the end, the past cannot be changed. Of course, this can also be twisted into a humorous vein where in saving Chaz, everybody dogpiles Zio and suffocates him to death.

"Don't worry Chaz! We'll save you! Chaaaarge!"

"Damn it people! I'm trying to get hit here!"

"Gah...can't...breath...going...dark... :rip1: "

"Well, whaddya know? Nobody but Zio died!"
I'm more a believer in the theory of divergent timelines. But for plot purposes there, yes, the past CAN be changed, but the price is pretty damn heavy, since not only it's a 'one life for one life' exchange, but it ALSO undoes completely everything Chaz has accomplished - meaning that Dark Force and the PD have to be defeated all over again, and *without* Chaz around.

And the Butterfly Effect does mean that, by changing who0 survives, you potentially change everything. Chaz dying in Alys's place could well spell doom for all of Algo (he doesn't think so, but it's because of his blind faith in Alys. The departed always appear in their best light in the minds of those left behind, in those cases...), or it cound completely alter history in an unpredictable way.

Also, I specifically addressed that one thing you mentioned - by adding the one unshakable rule that those who lose their life through the Call of twilight CANNOT be saved the same way. Ever. Thus there's really no way for anyone to prevent this once Chaz goes along with it.
 

jwang

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Hmmm...would that include saving the person through indirect methods? After all, if someone took the hit that Alys blocked in the first place, they would be saving both Alys and Chaz, but they would be blocking the hit for Alys, not Chaz. Then again, I guess you could bring relative value into this. For Chaz, the payment is life for life, but for Rika, I guess you could take it as an exchange of family members, for somebody like Hahn or Gryz would be an exchange of friends, and for Rune it would be an exchange of saviors.

On the note of Alys not being able to save Algo from PD, I would think it would be more of a spiritual and mental thing rather than a combat skills. After all, she served as mentor to Chaz, and while she may not have trained him in swordplay, she still mentioned that Chaz's was too slow, indicating that she was more skilled than Chaz. Of course, her being a ranged throwing specialist could mean that she's more adapted to using her agility to her advantage, but I doubt that narrow alleyways and tunnels would lend well to the slashers that Alys tends to favor. She might not primarily use swords like Chaz does, but I'm pretty sure that as a Hunter, she's still quite capable in swinging one around. Overall, I don't really see much differences in the original story lines besides having a veteran Hunter as Chaz's replacement. Raja would probably be beaten every time he tried to crack a joke, Karyn would have a older female figure to idolize, and Rune's revelation might not be as shocking, but overall the storyline shouldn't diverge much unless you introduce elements that were originally foreign to the story.
 

shout27

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#11
two thoughts:

Alyss - could be under the effects of something similar to Lutz/Rune (memory cube or some device that put her in cryosleep or something).

Chaz - Given the exchange, while it could be Life for Life, a being such as that would have to take circumstances into account as well. I mean to say that Chaz has already Finished Off DF for good, simply bringing things into balance again puts things in his favor should conditions arise. Chaz dying and bringing back DF to bring back Alyss means he's getting the short end of the stick, moreover it's an unbalanced trade, if this option was available in-game before beating DF for good it'd be equivalent exchange as things stand at that time. He already has a 1-1 in his favor: DF for Alyss with a possible condition that Elsydeon be sealed for another 1000 years (to keep that balancing chance available should a similar situation happen in the future). Now, maybe him surviving has a few side effects on his strength so that he's unable to do anymore frontline fighting but as Rune (Magic) and the Androids (Guns) can attest to, he's still got options available.
 

GenocideHeart

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#12
Hmm, all very good points and interesting ideas.

*takes notes*

I'm going to look them over and see if I can tweak the plot.
 

shout27

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#13
Overpowered funny scene:
If you do have Chaz survive it'd be funny if, when every one is going to that island with "DF in Disguise" Chaz out of no-where performs "Megiddo" on DF on his own without the combo-attack. :snigger: The explanation: "WHAT!! He pissed me off!"
 

GenocideHeart

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#14
Resurrecting topic because I'm thinking of picking this up again. I've also taken Shout's points into account and will likely tweak the plot later...
 

shout27

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#15
Heh, picked PS2-4 up in the Sega Genesis Collection for the PS2, if you're going to continue this I think I'll get the Rom+Emulator since my PS2 broke. That way I can actually offer some advice. . . Is Alyss going to be an 'Esper?'
 

GenocideHeart

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shout27 said:
Heh, picked PS2-4 up in the Sega Genesis Collection for the PS2, if you're going to continue this I think I'll get the Rom+Emulator since my PS2 broke. That way I can actually offer some advice. . . Is Alyss going to be an 'Esper?'
Alys shows no Esper abilities, and with Rune as friend, if she had any talent, he'd have told her. So no, she's not an Esper.
 

shout27

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#17
Ah, I could have sworn being an Esper was their name as a sub-race. . .
 

GenocideHeart

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#18
shout27 said:
Ah, I could have sworn being an Esper was their name as a sub-race. . .
Esper is just a word to indicate people with unusually strong psionic powers. All living beings in Algo have those powers, but Espers have particularly powerful ones, IIRC.

They also tend to be fairly full of themselves, but meeting Rune should have made that clear... :p
 

shout27

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#19
How are the androids going to tie into all of this? I'm obviously not an expert, but haven't they been around since at least PS2. . .
 

GenocideHeart

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shout27 said:
How are the androids going to tie into all of this? I'm obviously not an expert, but haven't they been around since at least PS2. . .
Not the same. The Wrens in PhS3 and 4 are different - the first Wren was actually a Shiren model in the Japanese original, while PhS4 Wren was a Foren model. Just clarifying, since a lot of people mistakenly assume they are the same (blatantly ignoring the fact that Wren-3 is on Alisia III, which by the time of PhS4 is a few billion light years away from the Algo system).
 

shout27

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#21
Not so much that thought, as I'd figure they're even more likely to have that book in their database or access to even more information or scanned books on the subject. . . It's like having access to the remnants of the internet afterall.
This is the kind of thing I see them meticulously keeping track of, even if they don't believe it's useful or fully true, in case an Professor of some sort wanted to look for the 'Grain of Truth' contained in the legend. . . you could even have what's his name, the Professor who got turned to stone by Zio, be the one who was examining the database with the help of the current androids.
 

shout27

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#23
All I can say is that I'm starting to remember how linear RPGs were on the original consoles. . .

Anyways, would Zio let everyone escape as easily, if he saw Chaz unaffected by the Dark Wave attack. . . moreover, if he doesn't let them run, would that be what destroys Chaz's strength? That is to say, they're supposed to have the Psycho-Wand when they fight him a second time after he let them escape the prior time. What if as a side-effect of not breaking it with the Psycho-Wand or another similar magic, that it reflects exponential damage upon the person who inflicts it?

effectively turning the barrier into a 'Thorns' Aura on steroids. . .

i.e.:
L12 characters can only inflict 1 point of damage on him and it doesn't 'kick in' against them.

L42! Chaz can inflict, say, 40 points of damage (standard attack) while taking 70 points of damage in the process. . .
 
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