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I left a comment in the poll but I wanted to state this here as well (and expand on what I said).
I think some of the voting sections should be separated out. For example I think necro's should be allowed so long as they are on topic no matter the time limit (somewhere between alternative 3 and 4 basically). Say a new member finds a story post that is really old and leaves some constructive criticism that should be allowed. On the other hand I'd like to see off-topic posts kept from totally taking over a discussion and going on for pages (alternative 2).
As far as insults go I generally don't have a problem with them though I have seen that allowing them to get out of hand tends to degrade the average level of conversation. On the other hand racism I tend to find incredibly stupid and given that I have to deal with enough stupidity already I'd prefer to not have to deal with that.
On attribution and copyright I think as far as fanfic of fanfic or similar it should always be allowed but it should also always require an attribution for anything that isn't yours.
edit: Mostly cause I have nfc where I should post this but I was under the impression that accounts were supposed to be moved over but it seems that either mine wasn't or it let me create another account with the same name
I think some of the voting sections should be separated out. For example I think necro's should be allowed so long as they are on topic no matter the time limit (somewhere between alternative 3 and 4 basically). Say a new member finds a story post that is really old and leaves some constructive criticism that should be allowed. On the other hand I'd like to see off-topic posts kept from totally taking over a discussion and going on for pages (alternative 2).
As far as insults go I generally don't have a problem with them though I have seen that allowing them to get out of hand tends to degrade the average level of conversation. On the other hand racism I tend to find incredibly stupid and given that I have to deal with enough stupidity already I'd prefer to not have to deal with that.
On attribution and copyright I think as far as fanfic of fanfic or similar it should always be allowed but it should also always require an attribution for anything that isn't yours.
edit: Mostly cause I have nfc where I should post this but I was under the impression that accounts were supposed to be moved over but it seems that either mine wasn't or it let me create another account with the same name
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Just read the comments on the poll and read something I didn't think of at all...
'Category 10 - Full disclosure, I have a pseudonym I use to post stories.'
I'd like to change my vote to reflect my belief that a pseudonym is a perfectly valid and acceptable use of a sock puppet account.
'Category 10 - Full disclosure, I have a pseudonym I use to post stories.'
I'd like to change my vote to reflect my belief that a pseudonym is a perfectly valid and acceptable use of a sock puppet account.
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No matter the name... I'm against secondary accounts myself... Sure I can see it for the admin, but that is it.
The issue to me is while anyone can make a justification for a secondary account, there is no guarantee it will be used for just that purpose... it will in essence allow a back door into the forum for anyone whom has it and had moderator action... it is in effect an unfair advantage and a fallback position... *no-one* should have that ability.
Just my personal take on it.
The issue to me is while anyone can make a justification for a secondary account, there is no guarantee it will be used for just that purpose... it will in essence allow a back door into the forum for anyone whom has it and had moderator action... it is in effect an unfair advantage and a fallback position... *no-one* should have that ability.
Just my personal take on it.
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Poll has closed. I won't be saying the different percentages or such, you can check those yourself.
Default Rules
NSFW in the restricted forums, no exceptions.
Nothing illegal.
No spamming.
Report things that break the rules.
Category One: Undesirable Posts
1. Necros are given a lot of extra time if the post is constructive, i.e. follows the secondary purpose of the thread. Necro length is 2-3 weeks, or 3-6 months if constructive. A post that follows the primary purpose of a thread can never be considered a necro.
2. Off-Topic and useless posts should be kept under control, but only in the case of getting to the point where a new thread would need to be made for the original discussion. Users will be warned and posts moved in the case of violations.
Addendum:
Necro rules only apply in story and idea threads to anyone who is not the author of the story/idea.
Category Two: Author Rights
1. The author will have authority on necros, threadjacks, offtopics, and useless posts.
2. The author will be required to accept constructive, on-topic posts.
3. Rules must be declared formally, with notice, with no exceptions.
Category Three: Personal Attacks and Racism
1. Slurs are allowed, as long as they aren't obviously intended to be harmful. That is to say, in the absence of absolute evidence of harmful intent, no action will be taken.
3. Personal attacks may be taken down at the target's request, at which point re-posting will be discouraged.
4. Insults are a way of saying "hello."
Catergory Four: Curse Words, Vulgarisms, Obscenity
1. Curse words will be allowed, as long as they are not the only contents of a post.
2. Stories will be allowed to feature a limited amount of graphic violence and any amount of cursing. Graphic depictions of sex will be limited to the restricted section.
Category Five: Attribution, Copyright
SPLIT VOTE BETWEEN ALTERNATIVE ONE AND TWO.
Alternatives will be expanded upon, a secondary vote will be taken.
Category Seven: Links
1. Link posters are normally under no special obligations, however:
2. Warn people if you are linking to something that asks you to vote, give points for referrals, or otherwise benefits the link poster with little or no benefit to the clicker.
Category 8: Tags
Tagging a story is not required, but it is always encouraged.
Category Nine: Moderator Accountability
1. A forum will be set aside specifically for disagreements with moderators.
2. Moderators will be required to justify actions taken in punishment, IE against the wishes of the affected posters.
Category Ten: Sock Puppets (Except TFF_Admin)
Sock puppets are not allowed. A limited number of alternative accounts (whose owner is announced in the member note) are allowed.
Category Eleven: Thread Moving
Threads posted in the obviously wrong place will be moved as soon as possible.
2. Posters will get a warning for repeated incorrect locations of threads in a short period of time, or else a small warning % for each incorrectly posted thread.
3. Threads which are not obviously wrong will be moved at the request of the author or when the correct uses of the thread eventually make it obvious that it is in the wrong place. For example, if a thread is posted in previews, but replies and examination of the post reveal it is really an Idea post, it will be moved.
Category Twelve: Advertising
1. You may shill for your fanfictions.
2. Do not shill for your product, aside from a low key link in your sig or something equally ignorable.
Catagory Thirteen: Punishment Level
1. Punishments for minor infractions are warnings.
2. The punishment for any repeated infraction, major infraction, or any refusal to cooperate with moderators is a temporary ban.
3. In cases of repeated temporary bans being required, the duration of the ban will be increased each time.
4. After a certain number of temporary bans, a permanent ban will be used.
5. Grievous violations before punishment can be issued will result in a permanent ban.
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As you may notice, this list is extremely unwieldy and could probably be pared down to a decent 8 sentence "rulebook" for forumgoers to abide by. The original text may be consulted in the case of moderator appeal to prevent bias.
I'll have the short and sweet version up soon, I'm reinstalling windows at the moment which is always... fun.
Default Rules
NSFW in the restricted forums, no exceptions.
Nothing illegal.
No spamming.
Report things that break the rules.
Category One: Undesirable Posts
1. Necros are given a lot of extra time if the post is constructive, i.e. follows the secondary purpose of the thread. Necro length is 2-3 weeks, or 3-6 months if constructive. A post that follows the primary purpose of a thread can never be considered a necro.
2. Off-Topic and useless posts should be kept under control, but only in the case of getting to the point where a new thread would need to be made for the original discussion. Users will be warned and posts moved in the case of violations.
Addendum:
Necro rules only apply in story and idea threads to anyone who is not the author of the story/idea.
Category Two: Author Rights
1. The author will have authority on necros, threadjacks, offtopics, and useless posts.
2. The author will be required to accept constructive, on-topic posts.
3. Rules must be declared formally, with notice, with no exceptions.
Category Three: Personal Attacks and Racism
1. Slurs are allowed, as long as they aren't obviously intended to be harmful. That is to say, in the absence of absolute evidence of harmful intent, no action will be taken.
3. Personal attacks may be taken down at the target's request, at which point re-posting will be discouraged.
4. Insults are a way of saying "hello."
Catergory Four: Curse Words, Vulgarisms, Obscenity
1. Curse words will be allowed, as long as they are not the only contents of a post.
2. Stories will be allowed to feature a limited amount of graphic violence and any amount of cursing. Graphic depictions of sex will be limited to the restricted section.
Category Five: Attribution, Copyright
SPLIT VOTE BETWEEN ALTERNATIVE ONE AND TWO.
Alternatives will be expanded upon, a secondary vote will be taken.
Category Seven: Links
1. Link posters are normally under no special obligations, however:
2. Warn people if you are linking to something that asks you to vote, give points for referrals, or otherwise benefits the link poster with little or no benefit to the clicker.
Category 8: Tags
Tagging a story is not required, but it is always encouraged.
Category Nine: Moderator Accountability
1. A forum will be set aside specifically for disagreements with moderators.
2. Moderators will be required to justify actions taken in punishment, IE against the wishes of the affected posters.
Category Ten: Sock Puppets (Except TFF_Admin)
Sock puppets are not allowed. A limited number of alternative accounts (whose owner is announced in the member note) are allowed.
Category Eleven: Thread Moving
Threads posted in the obviously wrong place will be moved as soon as possible.
2. Posters will get a warning for repeated incorrect locations of threads in a short period of time, or else a small warning % for each incorrectly posted thread.
3. Threads which are not obviously wrong will be moved at the request of the author or when the correct uses of the thread eventually make it obvious that it is in the wrong place. For example, if a thread is posted in previews, but replies and examination of the post reveal it is really an Idea post, it will be moved.
Category Twelve: Advertising
1. You may shill for your fanfictions.
2. Do not shill for your product, aside from a low key link in your sig or something equally ignorable.
Catagory Thirteen: Punishment Level
1. Punishments for minor infractions are warnings.
2. The punishment for any repeated infraction, major infraction, or any refusal to cooperate with moderators is a temporary ban.
3. In cases of repeated temporary bans being required, the duration of the ban will be increased each time.
4. After a certain number of temporary bans, a permanent ban will be used.
5. Grievous violations before punishment can be issued will result in a permanent ban.
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As you may notice, this list is extremely unwieldy and could probably be pared down to a decent 8 sentence "rulebook" for forumgoers to abide by. The original text may be consulted in the case of moderator appeal to prevent bias.
I'll have the short and sweet version up soon, I'm reinstalling windows at the moment which is always... fun.
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A thought for you when you go to do this...
You could always post both versions in a locked thread... have the short version first, note for deliberations on transgressions the longer version can be consulted, and have that in the post immediately below...
That should satisfy most parties then, and provide transparency...
One question, not interested in all the individual results and whatnot, but can you tell us how many votes overall were processed?
You could always post both versions in a locked thread... have the short version first, note for deliberations on transgressions the longer version can be consulted, and have that in the post immediately below...
That should satisfy most parties then, and provide transparency...
One question, not interested in all the individual results and whatnot, but can you tell us how many votes overall were processed?
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For fairly obvious reasons, hentai/porn/etc have to go in restricted. This includes signatures.
Daniel... there might be some way you could be more vague, but I'm not personally seeing it. How is it bad? Why? I can't read your mind.
EDIT: just found your post. For those wondering, he explains here: http://thefanfictionforum.net/showthread.php?tid=19448&pid=1152279#pid1152279
Daniel... there might be some way you could be more vague, but I'm not personally seeing it. How is it bad? Why? I can't read your mind.
EDIT: just found your post. For those wondering, he explains here: http://thefanfictionforum.net/showthread.php?tid=19448&pid=1152279#pid1152279
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TFF Rules- Abridged.
1. Adult content (as defined by Google Adsense policies) go in the restricted forums, no exceptions. This includes signatures and avatars. We disallow spamming, as well as posting illegal things, like roms, warez, etc.
2. If a story preview or idea thread has lain dormant for more than two weeks, don't post in it unless you're contributing to the original purpose of the thread.
3. The author of a preview or ideas thread may disallow threadjacks, necros, offtopics, and useless posts in his opening post. Please respect this.
4. Heated discussion, arguments, and name calling are fine. Don't make it personal, though. If you find you absolutely need to make it personal, don't do it in public.
5. Stories featuring adult content or excessive cursing/graphic violence vulgarities go into restricted. Curses can not make up the entirety of a sentence, nor a post. Don't try to.
6. Recursive fanfiction is fine- just use your own words or get permission. You aren't limited to just one account- but your alts must have your username in the member note.
7. Please link to what you're talking about if possible, and if you wish to sell something, keep the advertising tasteful and out of our faces. If you want to link to your fanfiction, go ahead!
8. Don't post things in the wrong section. Threads get moved if they're in the wrong spot. Offtopic and silly posts are fine- but don't lose sight of the original purpose of the post or it will be moved.
9. Punishments will start out as warnings, but repeatedly breaking the rules will turn that into increasingly-long temp bans, and finally a permanent ban. Flagrant violations will result in a steps being skipped.
10. Finally, do the mods a favor- report things that break the rules.
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So, thoughts on this as a short, less verbose rule of thumb for people to follow?
1. Adult content (as defined by Google Adsense policies) go in the restricted forums, no exceptions. This includes signatures and avatars. We disallow spamming, as well as posting illegal things, like roms, warez, etc.
2. If a story preview or idea thread has lain dormant for more than two weeks, don't post in it unless you're contributing to the original purpose of the thread.
3. The author of a preview or ideas thread may disallow threadjacks, necros, offtopics, and useless posts in his opening post. Please respect this.
4. Heated discussion, arguments, and name calling are fine. Don't make it personal, though. If you find you absolutely need to make it personal, don't do it in public.
5. Stories featuring adult content or excessive cursing/graphic violence vulgarities go into restricted. Curses can not make up the entirety of a sentence, nor a post. Don't try to.
6. Recursive fanfiction is fine- just use your own words or get permission. You aren't limited to just one account- but your alts must have your username in the member note.
7. Please link to what you're talking about if possible, and if you wish to sell something, keep the advertising tasteful and out of our faces. If you want to link to your fanfiction, go ahead!
8. Don't post things in the wrong section. Threads get moved if they're in the wrong spot. Offtopic and silly posts are fine- but don't lose sight of the original purpose of the post or it will be moved.
9. Punishments will start out as warnings, but repeatedly breaking the rules will turn that into increasingly-long temp bans, and finally a permanent ban. Flagrant violations will result in a steps being skipped.
10. Finally, do the mods a favor- report things that break the rules.
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So, thoughts on this as a short, less verbose rule of thumb for people to follow?
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