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Cynical Kyle

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#26
ArchfiendRai said:
knight504 said:
Chamber of Secrets

Technology

When you can summon any book, instrument or animal with a wave of the wand and the word 'Accio!'; when you can communicate with friends and acquaintances by means of owl, fire, Patronus, Howler, enchanted objects such as coins, or Apparate to visit them in person; when your newspaper has moving pictures and everyday objects sometimes talk to you, then the internet does not seem a particularly exciting place. This is not to say that you will never find a witch or wizard surfing the net; merely that they will generally be doing so out of slightly condescending curiosity, or else doing research in the field of Muggle Studies.

While they have no need of mundane domestic objects such as dishwashers or vacuum cleaners, some members of the magical community are amused by Muggle television, and a few firebrand wizards even went so far, in the early eighties, as to start a British Wizarding Broadcasting Corporation, in the hope that they would be able to have their own television channel. The project foundered at an early stage, as the Ministry of Magic refused to countenance the broadcasting of wizarding material on a Muggle device, which would (it was felt) almost guarantee serious breaches of the International Statute of Secrecy.

Some felt, and with justification, that this decision was inconsistent and unfair, as many radios have been legally modified by the wizarding community for their own use, which broadcast regular wizarding programmes. The Ministry conceded that Muggles frequently catch snippets of advice on, for instance, how to prune a Venomous Tentacula, or how best to remove gnomes from a cabbage bed, but argued that the radio-listening Muggle population seems altogether more tolerant, gullible, or less convinced of their own good sense, than Muggle TV viewers. Reasons for this anomaly are examined at length in Professor Mordicus Egg's The Philosophy of the Mundane: Why the Muggles Prefer Not to Know. Professor Egg argues cogently that Muggles are much more likely to believe they have misheard something than that they are hallucinating.

There is another reason for most wizards' avoidance of Muggle devices, and that is cultural. The magical community prides itself on the fact that it does not need the many (admittedly ingenious) devices that Muggles have created to enable them to do what can be so easily done by magic. To fill one's house with tumble dryers and telephones would be seen as an admission of magical inadequacy.

There is one major exception to the general magical aversion to Muggle technology, and that is the car (and, to a lesser extent, motorbikes and trains). Prior to the introduction of the International Statute of Secrecy, wizards and Muggles used the same kind of everyday transport: horse-drawn carts and sailing ships among them. The magical community was forced to abandon horse-drawn vehicles when they became glaringly outmoded. It is pointless to deny that wizardkind looked with great envy upon the speedy and comfortable automobiles that began filling the roads in the twentieth century, and eventually even the Ministry of Magic bought a fleet of cars, modifying them with various useful charms and enjoying them very much indeed. Many wizards love cars with a child-like passion, and there have been cases of pure-bloods who claim never to touch a Muggle artefact, and yet are discovered to have a flying Rolls Royce in their garage. However, the most extreme anti-Muggles eschew all motorised transport; Sirius Black's love of motorbikes incensed his hard-line parents.
Not on board with a whole lot of this. Just more of Rowling tooting her own horn.

1. Communication:
Owls: These take time to deliver and respond to.
Fire: Yeah great. Except the person I needed to talk to right now isn't at home. Good thing everyone carries mobile fireplaces connected to the Floo around.
Apparition: Except you need, again, to know where they are. If they're not at home you're out of luck. Oh, and it's a good thing every witch or wizard is allowed to apparate unconditionally at any age.
Patronus: Yeah. This is a great one. Its a good thing that every wizard and witch A ) Knows how to cast one and B ) knows they can be used to deliver messages.
Internet: Yes, because an Accio charm also functions as a search engine that can grab everything you desire even if you don't know exactly what you need.


2. Devices:
Lol. Just LOL. Fair points on some things, but just LOL for the rest.

3. Cars and bikes: Only part of that entire post that I legitimately love because I can SO see Narcissa Malfoy stepping out of a fucking Rolls like "What up bitches? I'm rich. Sing songs about my wealth, peasants."
Your tears are delicious.
 

ArchfiendRai

Well-Known Member
#27
Cynical Kyle said:
ArchfiendRai said:
knight504 said:
Chamber of Secrets

Technology

When you can summon any book, instrument or animal with a wave of the wand and the word 'Accio!'; when you can communicate with friends and acquaintances by means of owl, fire, Patronus, Howler, enchanted objects such as coins, or Apparate to visit them in person; when your newspaper has moving pictures and everyday objects sometimes talk to you, then the internet does not seem a particularly exciting place. This is not to say that you will never find a witch or wizard surfing the net; merely that they will generally be doing so out of slightly condescending curiosity, or else doing research in the field of Muggle Studies.

While they have no need of mundane domestic objects such as dishwashers or vacuum cleaners, some members of the magical community are amused by Muggle television, and a few firebrand wizards even went so far, in the early eighties, as to start a British Wizarding Broadcasting Corporation, in the hope that they would be able to have their own television channel. The project foundered at an early stage, as the Ministry of Magic refused to countenance the broadcasting of wizarding material on a Muggle device, which would (it was felt) almost guarantee serious breaches of the International Statute of Secrecy.

Some felt, and with justification, that this decision was inconsistent and unfair, as many radios have been legally modified by the wizarding community for their own use, which broadcast regular wizarding programmes. The Ministry conceded that Muggles frequently catch snippets of advice on, for instance, how to prune a Venomous Tentacula, or how best to remove gnomes from a cabbage bed, but argued that the radio-listening Muggle population seems altogether more tolerant, gullible, or less convinced of their own good sense, than Muggle TV viewers. Reasons for this anomaly are examined at length in Professor Mordicus Egg's The Philosophy of the Mundane: Why the Muggles Prefer Not to Know. Professor Egg argues cogently that Muggles are much more likely to believe they have misheard something than that they are hallucinating.

There is another reason for most wizards' avoidance of Muggle devices, and that is cultural. The magical community prides itself on the fact that it does not need the many (admittedly ingenious) devices that Muggles have created to enable them to do what can be so easily done by magic. To fill one's house with tumble dryers and telephones would be seen as an admission of magical inadequacy.

There is one major exception to the general magical aversion to Muggle technology, and that is the car (and, to a lesser extent, motorbikes and trains). Prior to the introduction of the International Statute of Secrecy, wizards and Muggles used the same kind of everyday transport: horse-drawn carts and sailing ships among them. The magical community was forced to abandon horse-drawn vehicles when they became glaringly outmoded. It is pointless to deny that wizardkind looked with great envy upon the speedy and comfortable automobiles that began filling the roads in the twentieth century, and eventually even the Ministry of Magic bought a fleet of cars, modifying them with various useful charms and enjoying them very much indeed. Many wizards love cars with a child-like passion, and there have been cases of pure-bloods who claim never to touch a Muggle artefact, and yet are discovered to have a flying Rolls Royce in their garage. However, the most extreme anti-Muggles eschew all motorised transport; Sirius Black's love of motorbikes incensed his hard-line parents.
Not on board with a whole lot of this. Just more of Rowling tooting her own horn.

1. Communication:
Owls: These take time to deliver and respond to.
Fire: Yeah great. Except the person I needed to talk to right now isn't at home. Good thing everyone carries mobile fireplaces connected to the Floo around.
Apparition: Except you need, again, to know where they are. If they're not at home you're out of luck. Oh, and it's a good thing every witch or wizard is allowed to apparate unconditionally at any age.
Patronus: Yeah. This is a great one. Its a good thing that every wizard and witch A ) Knows how to cast one and B ) knows they can be used to deliver messages.
Internet: Yes, because an Accio charm also functions as a search engine that can grab everything you desire even if you don't know exactly what you need.


2. Devices:
Lol. Just LOL. Fair points on some things, but just LOL for the rest.

3. Cars and bikes: Only part of that entire post that I legitimately love because I can SO see Narcissa Malfoy stepping out of a fucking Rolls like "What up bitches? I'm rich. Sing songs about my wealth, peasants."
Your tears are delicious.
:rolleyes:
 

Cynical Kyle

Well-Known Member
#29
jaredstar said:
i get the impression he wants to be the new zeebee
I don't possess required brevity to fill void zeebee left. I just love to laugh at people who deny canon in favor of their pet fanon cliches.
 

ArchfiendRai

Well-Known Member
#30
Denying canon for pet fanon cliches? I was laughing at the fact that much of the argument for not using tech boiled down to "Its muggle we're better." Fair in some points, such as the vacuum cleaner, and utterly ridiculous for communication, for the reasons I mentioned.

You know what? Why am I even feeding you? Go troll somewhere else.
 

Cynical Kyle

Well-Known Member
#31
ArchfiendRai said:
Denying canon for pet fanon cliches? I was laughing at the fact that much of the argument for not using tech boiled down to "Its muggle we're better." Fair in some points, such as the vacuum cleaner, and utterly ridiculous for communication, for the reasons I mentioned.

You know what? Why am I even feeding you? Go troll somewhere else.
It's quite telling that you deem someone with different view as troll. I find that pretty cute.

Rowling establishes why wizards have certain attitude, you immediately deem that bit wrong because you don't like it. Let's look at your evidence:

-Owlpost takes time to deliver & respond.

Golly gee, I sure love how no one in real world uses regular post after advent of Internet :rolleyes:. Compared to regular post Owls would actually be superior if they have magic to 1) find targets 2) carry packages 3) stamina & speed to do so efficiently. First two are known to be true, I don't see why that wouldn't be the case for latter as well as Owls were clearly intended as quirky magical equivalent for regular post.

Fire: floo calling was equivalent of regular telephones and wasn't used strictly for communication. I've yet to see any phone capable of transporting people to different addresses, but perhaps I just haven't found right smartphone application yet.

Apparition: placing spell for instantaneous transportation to communication honestly boggles my mind. That's like claiming that car or plane is communication technology because they allow you to move to different location for chat. But hey, it's not like anyone of us muggles would like to have eco-friendly, easily affordable way to move around avaidable to every place we've been.

Patronus: Communication is secondary function once again, but it's not like anyone from private persons to corporations & government would like to have access for reliable way for communication that passes message to target without chance of interception.

Internet: According to you Internet is superior to all-purpose summoning spell because search engines? Internet has many great qualities, but I wouldn't tout the search engine functions as first thing especially when most people can't even use those properly. Internet has all the flaws you accuse magical world of (taking time to send & respond to messages, inability to communicate if target isn't at logged in, assumption that everyone knows to use it) yet it's better in every way because spell for Summoning things can only summon things you can want it to summon? In fanon witches & wizards are accused of lacking logic, based on your brilliant showing here you would certainly qualify as one by those standards.

I also love how you conveniently left broadly defined way for communication such as "enchanted objects" completely alone. You could let your imagination to go wild for number of possible ways to communicate in that fashion, but that doesn't seem to be one of your strengths. It's not like items such as enchanted mirror set in canon alone would debunk your entire argument about instant communication not being available to any witch or wizard:p.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
#32
So, the Weasley's are part of the 'Sacred 28' families, huh? Was there any confirmation that they are/were a Noble house?

'Cause they always seemed like the magical equivalent of Poor White Trash to me, and once considered a Noble House is something I would think they would hold onto...
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#33
The thing is, if you look at 'respectable' houses like the Malfoys, you get the idea that to be respectable, you have to do some legitimately dark things. The Malfoys also latched on to that idea from their ancestors being buddy-buddy with royalty until it was no longer affordable - they were Better than others.

If the Weasleys' pureblood nature is just from there being enough at the time the list was made, I can see why they wouldn't care. Agree or not, Rowling tried to pass them off as common folk who happened to be magic. Being upper-class twits just doesn't suit them.

[And now to wait for the fanbase to go nuts at me.]
 

Rising Dragon

Well-Known Member
#34
We don't know enough about the Weasley family history to determine just how they arrived in their current financial and social standing. For all we know they could've had an ancestor or relative who squandered whatever wealth the Weasley family had, or it could be that the Weasleys always had a penchant for very large families, which put a strain on their income and over time resulted in their being poor. At least financially. Socially it seems pretty clear their family refused to be evil assholes like the Malfoys and were considered blood traitors by the rest as a result.
 

jaredstar

Well-Known Member
#35
you know what the lockhart entry tells me. that at least once Dumbledore put his own agenda ahead of the well being of the students, and that is just referring to the fact that he was a shitty teacher. It doesn't even factor in the damrker aspects of what a man who tosses memory charms about might be capable of
 

TC_Hazard

Well-Known Member
#36
da_fox2279 said:
So, the Weasley's are part of the 'Sacred 28' families, huh? Was there any confirmation that they are/were a Noble house?

'Cause they always seemed like the magical equivalent of Poor White Trash to me, and once considered a Noble House is something I would think they would hold onto...
Being pureblood is not the same thing as being rich.

Plus, the whole having seven kids can't be good for finances (and it's apparently not new thing IIRC). Especially since Arthur doesn't have the best job ever. Mrs. Weasley notes the only reason why Arthur doesn't is because Fudge doesn't like him that much.
 

alucard964

Well-Known Member
#37
she just admitted that snape was harry's arch-enemy and she still had harry name one of his kids after him? wtf is wrong with this woman? In the potions section "when I was trying to decide which subject Harry’s arch-enemy, Severus Snape, should teach"
 

Knyght

The Collector
#38
You said the exact same thing nine days ago.

And considering Voldemort is Harry's actual archenemy, it's more like Snape was his arch-enemy in school i.e. his worst enemy as a student of Hogwarts. It's not that big a deal from that perspective.
 
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