Prequel to LoZ:WW

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It's probably dumb but after LoZ: The Wind Waker, the idea wouldn't leave me alone. What would the game right before it have looked like? And before I knew it, the plot bunny had multiplied into something I wanted to share. So...

It's said that when Ganon touched the Triforce, not only did he split the artifact but it also mentioned that he turned the Sacred Realm into a twisted version of itself. And that got me thinking...from where exactly did Rauru come from? And who built the Temple of Light? If that annoying owl is Rauru, how'd he get the ability to shapeshift? If it isn't, why can it talk and where did it come from? It isn't too much of a stretch to say that people (or beings) lived in the Sacred Realm.

In one version of the time line (with adult Link), the Sacred Realm remained corrupted as the Dark World and those within twisted as well. Ancestors of the Twili perhaps?

But in the other, Ganon never managed to grab the Triforce and so they remain as they were. But what if they decided to get involved with Hyrule? Even before the Temple of Time fiasco, that bloody owl interfered and maybe that interference carried a price.

To make a long story short, the never-ending cycle of Wisdom > Courage > Power destabilizes Hyrule and those in the Sacred Realm decided to give the world a hand by either calling the goddesses back from Heaven (Tower of Babel style) or by wiping the slate clean.

Does this sound at all interesting?

 

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Lets see, a couple of things here.

It's probably dumb but after LoZ: The Wind Waker, the idea wouldn't leave me alone. What would the game right before it have looked like? And before I knew it, the plot bunny had multiplied into something I wanted to share. So...

The game before Wind Waker would be odd, since no hero exists. It says so during the Wind Waker intro.

"The great evil that all thought had been forever sealed away by the hero...
... once again crept forth from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs.
The people believed the Hero of Time would again come to save them.
...But the Hero did not appear.
Faced by an onslaught of evil, the people could do nothing but appeal to the gods.
In their last hour, as doom drew nigh, they left their future in the hands of fate."

The Goddesses flooded the world, sealing the kingdom of Hyrule under water and magic, preserving it in place for many a year, for the arrival of a new hero.

It would be an interesting story, but it would simply involve Ganon taking over everything until the Goddesses flooded the world. Would be a good chance to see things from Ganon's point of view.

And that got me thinking...from where exactly did Rauru come from? And who built the Temple of Light? If that annoying owl is Rauru, how'd he get the ability to shapeshift? If it isn't, why can it talk and where did it come from? It isn't too much of a stretch to say that people (or beings) lived in the Sacred Realm.

Rauru is the only remaining ancient sage, and lives as a spirit inside the Chamber of the Sages, sealed inside the sacred Realm to await the appearance of the Hero. The owl is the reincarnation of another ancient sage, named Kaepora Gaebora. The sages that you meet in OoT are not the original sages (except for Rauru and Kaepora, but he's not one of the sages you awaken), even though that's technically the first game in the storyline sequence. The Original Sages were the Guardians of the Sacred Realm, and quite possibly lived there, which would explain where the Chamber of Sages and the Temple of Light came from.

In one version of the time line (with adult Link), the Sacred Realm remained corrupted as the Dark World and those within twisted as well. Ancestors of the Twili perhaps?

The Twili weren't originally natives of the Shadow Realm, the Goddesses banished them there. They were original a tribe of dark magic users, who attempted to take over the Sacred Realm. The Shadow Realm and the Sacred Realm are different in Twilight Princess, unlike in Link to the Past.

But in the other, Ganon never managed to grab the Triforce and so they remain as they were. But what if they decided to get involved with Hyrule? Even before the Temple of Time fiasco, that bloody owl interfered and maybe that interference carried a price.

To make a long story short, the never-ending cycle of Wisdom > Courage > Power destabilizes Hyrule and those in the Sacred Realm decided to give the world a hand by either calling the goddesses back from Heaven (Tower of Babel style) or by wiping the slate clean.

If Ganondorf never managed to get the Triforce in the first place, it would never be broken apart, and there wouldn't be problems with the Wisdom/Power/Courage pieces. Ganondorf, without the Triforce of Power, would never manage to take over or cause many of the problems he did with the Triforce of Power. Without the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf is simply a powerful magician, and the Gerudo king. He isn't an almost unstoppable force of nature. There would be no need for divine intervention, in that case.

...And I can't believe I wrote so much. This always seems to happen when I talk about Zelda games.

 

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The hero thing I had already worked out, essentially, Link doesn't play the normal role of "Hero." It is a legend, which means that I have a little bit of leeway in how to interpret it. In fact, I have Link being the one flooding Hyrule (with help of say...three divine spirits? Maybe that will work)

Hmm, where did you get the information for the original sages/reincarnation from? As far as I can remember, there is nothing like that in game...

I know the Twili were banished there. However, there is nothing saying they were the first ones there or that they are massively interbred. The dark magic users needn't be the only ancestor, right? =/

And while the thing about Ganon makes some sense, it doesn't explain how he got powerful enough to warrant flooding Hyrule either. By your logic, WindWaker wouldn't have happened because he was just a magician =/ As we see in Windwaker, somewhere along the line Ganondorf got a hold of Power, the Wisdom and Courage pieces were shattered. He didn't succeed in OoT, but a different set of events got him Power anyway.

Those events are what I want to explore and hopefully make some kind of sense =/

 

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Hrm... the Rauru info was found in the Ocarina of Time manga (which I guess technically isn't canon, now that I think about it), Kaepora was referenced by one of the Gossip stones in Ocarina of Time as being an ancient sage. The rest of it was guess work. I assumed that the Temple of Light was built by the sages to protect the Triforce, just as they built the Temple of Time to protect the sacred Realm. Since the chamber of sages is built into the Temple of Light, I assumed that was where they remained, once awoken, a home built by the original sages for all who follow after them. Its quite possible I'm wrong here.

For the Twili, yeah, the magic users tribe doesn't necessarily have to be the only ancestors. What I am saying, is that the Goddesses banished the magic users tribe to the Twilight Realm, for attempting to take over the Sacred Realm. The Twilight Realm they refer to here is not the same thing as the corrupted Sacred Realm (the Dark World) where Ganondorf was sealed off at the end of OoT. So they wouldn't be able to interact with the corrupted beings that resulted from Ganondorf taking the Triforce.

I can see where you're coming from on the Ganondorf thing. I suppose I'm just disagreeing over the time line. My personal view is that its still the same time line. It said in the Wind Waker intro that "a great evil found the sacred power", which, I assume, is the events taking place in Ocarina of Time. He gets sealed away at the end, in the now corrupted Sacred Realm. But Link vanishes (which the intro states is him traveling to new lands, which could also describe the events of Majora's Mask) leaving the land without a hero for when Ganondorf breaks out of the sacred realm, backed by the Triforce of Power. That's when the Goddesses flood Hyrule.

Although your idea of having Link being the one to flood Hyrule would fit into the legend quite well. He's technically being Hyrule's hero, and saving it.

 

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The reason why I thought it would be the same realm Ganon was sealed in was because, well, Twilight Princess is quite far into the future. The Dark World could easily warp into Twilight Realm, perhaps because features are similar? Ganon was sealed in it once, I figured as a sage who knew history, they'd opt to seal him there again. It's a stretch I suppose, ah well. It's not important anyway since that is the other time line.

Hmm, seeing as how I haven't yet managed to play Majora's Mask I have no idea what the ending is. Is it plausible that messing with time in Termina meant that while one parallel was replaying three days, Hyrule was plodding along unaffected through time?

That way it would at least take Ganon a bit longer than three days to bust out of the Sages imprisonment (which makes me wonder why they bothered in the first place).

Thank you for helping me fill in the numerous and massive plot holes in my idea.

 

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Actually, Twilight Princess is only about 100 years after Ocarina of Time, where as Wind Waker probably happens some time after that (nobody has ever said exactly how much time passes between Ocarina and Wind Waker, but I'm pretty sure its been mentioned a few times to be over 1000 years). Just for the fact that Ganon took over and escaped from the Dark World (Link to the Past, which most people assume happens sometime in the hundred years between Ocarina and Twilight Princess) would probably make the sages iffy on sealing him back in there.

The Majora's Mask ending is rather vague. Link ends up attempting to go back to Hyrule through the portal. We don't see anything past that, at least as far as I remember. I haven't played the game in years though. Its quite possible that time outside of Termina was still passing, where as Termina was stuck in a loop. It all depends on how much power over Time you want to give Link. Do you think that Link could control the clock over the entire Legend of Zelda world (which consists of at least four different countries, all about the size of Hyrule, or slightly smaller), even if its only going back three days? Or do you think he could only do it in a relatively smaller area, such as just Termina?

By putting Wind Waker right after Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask, you'd need to explain why Link doesn't just fight off Ganondorf again, with the help of the sages. Because if Link is still there, the awakened sages are still there. Most time lines assume that enough time passes between Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask and Wind Waker that Link, Zelda, and all of the Awakened Sages have time to die, and giving time for the seal to weaken.

And glad to be of assistance. There needs to be more good Zelda fiction out there. This makes me wish I hadn't lost my timeline that I wrote out about a year ago. Urg...

 

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100 years seems like a very short time for the Temple of Time to degrade as much as it has. Those ruins seems to argue for hundreds of years at least. I wasn't going to place it immediately after OoT, but quite a ways down the lane. The ocarina of time is powerful, but I think I'll limit it to just an area rather than the whole world which would fit the "missing Link" part of the legend perfectly.

I don't know if you know anything about this, but who cast the spell the spell that froze Hyrule Castle in WW? And was there any references of how the Master Sword got into the basement (rather than remain in the Temple of Time) at all?

 

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I'm not quite sure how the Master's Sword got into the basement of the Castle, I don't think that's explained anywhere. But I do know that the Goddesses cast the spell that flooded Hyrule, and froze it in time.

Honestly, I don't think the Temple of Time of Twilight Princess is the same Temple of Time as Ocarina of Time. While I assume they take place in the same world, its a completely different building. There's almost no similarities, besides it being a resting place of the Master's Sword. There's no ruins of a town around it, like there would be if it was near the old Hyrule Castle at least as far as I remember. Wasn't it in a forest?

I had assumed Hyrule has migrated itself through/around the Gerudo desert, since from the maps of Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time, only the Gerudo Desert looks like it could have remained in the same spot relative to the rest of Hyrule, although I'm not exactly certain where I came up with this idea. And thus, a new Temple of Time was built to enshrine the Master's Sword. And a new castle... and pretty much a whole new Hyrule.

And after looking for a few things though, I realize my timeline is screwed. Nintendo has decided, so anything I said about timeline function are gone. Twilight Princess takes place more than a century after Ocarina, and in an alternate timeline, Wind Waker takes place 100 years after Ocarina. So my timeline guesswork is completely useless. You're free to ignore anything I've said about it.

 

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And after looking for a few things though, I realize my timeline is screwed. Nintendo has decided, so anything I said about timeline function are gone. Twilight Princess takes place more than a century after Ocarina, and in an alternate timeline, Wind Waker takes place 100 years after Ocarina. So my timeline guesswork is completely useless. You're free to ignore anything I've said about it.

Er...thanks?

The Desert theory makes sense, so I'll accept that as canon until Nintendo says something else. =/ The only thing left bugging me is where Valoo came from. Jabu Jabu could conceivably be the whale but the dragon?