Harry Potter Questions of canon events...

seitora

seitora

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'twas my thought. It's like, if if fanon says blood can do all that, then it should be well capable of being used as a weapon against Voldemort.

Dumbledore: "Well y'know Harry, I was going to tell you that a prophecy said you had to fight Voldemort and track down several soul containers of his, but since he was foolish enough to resurrect with your blood, all you have to do is go down to the Madam Pomfrey's office and give her a few millimeters of blood and we should have this whole Death Eaters nonsense done and over with by afternoon tomorrow."

Harry: "Uhhhhh...sounds good to me, sir!"
 
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nixofcyzerra

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I've seen a few fics where Harry effectively gains authority over Tom as "Head of the Potter family."
 
Shirotsume

Shirotsume

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I saw one that was based off all those Blood Adoption fics. They took out the Horcruxes, but they still needed to actually kill Tom (No deathly hallow bullshit), and Tom actually WAS pretty much the greatest duelist of all time.

So Harry disowned Voldemort using a magical blood ritual, removing all trace of Potter ancestry (e.g. blood) from him. It completely wrecked the homunculus.
 
seitora

seitora

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You know, how many British people actually write HP fic versus other nationalities?

I ask this because I think I've seen people write Dumbledore as having lemon sherbets like once or twice, since that's what was used in the British editions, but the American/Canadian localisations (and presumably Oz/NZ ones too) are the ones that use lemon drops, which is near-universal in fanfics.
 
seitora

seitora

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Also, does anyone know where this nonsense about Animagus transformation requiring a potion came from?
 
TC_Hazard

TC_Hazard

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seitora said:
Also, does anyone know where this nonsense about Animagus transformation requiring a potion came from?
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Fanfiction mostly. Canon doesn't really give you a step by step process on how to become one so people make up stuff.

Some fanfics have the future animagus meditating until they find their form.

Others have them using a potion to find it.

And so on.
 
Shirotsume

Shirotsume

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I always figured it was straight up wandless transfiguration on yourself, but with some sort of 'trick' to make it less mindbogglingly impossible.

Like there's a general 'transfigure self into animagus form' spell, but it only works wandlessly and it's hard as shit. The only way the marauders got it was that James really a rediculous transfiguration prodigy, the rest were fairly powerful/smart, and James managed to basically browbeat them into it.
 
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ArchfiendRai

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I figured as much as well. The books never gave any indication whatsoever about what is involved or what the restrictions or limitations are. For all we know, it's as simple as picking a form and facerolling your keyboard until something happens being really good at transfiguration (or having someone who is helping you). At the same time, it could be this incredibly arduous process that takes months or years and is completely limited to ordinary animals such as rats, beetles, and dogs.

Its one of the things from the books that I'm actually very glad was left completely open ended in the books. It really opens up the possibilities of what you can and can't do with the art, because we have no rules. A fanfic author can literally do anything with it.

Yet, at the same time, I was incredibly disappointed that it never went anywhere in the books. I would LOVE to be able to turn into an animal any time, and not ONE of the trio even expressed any interest? Not even Harry, after hearing about his father and seeing Sirius in action?
 
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Rising Dragon

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Given the whole horcrux thing, I imagine that if Harry did attempt to become an Animagus he'd become a snake or something, and then he'd have the whole Heir of Slytherin thing going for him all over again.
 
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Gx Hero

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Don't think so since the fragment of VOldemort is dead. Besides you have to will yourself to become the animal of choice. As hard as it is you probably could have more than one form.


I have a question about the elder wand. Based on the way that it was taken from Dulmboldore by disarmament and then death, Malfoy was indirectly disarmed of it when harry won Draco's wand but never died thus gained the elder wand.


If Harry is disarmed won't it result in it being passed down. I mean if Ron disarms harry in a practice duel wouldn't he get the wand. Death not being the only way to win the wand. Harry would have to never lose a battle, or simply never be disarmed by expelliarmus.


He should just snap it like in the movie and burn he remains and end it for good.
 
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Rising Dragon

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Yeah, after the books the fragment is dead. Before that, when Harry's most likely to be interested in becoming an Animagus, though... well, given how Voldemort's horcrux already has a degree of influence on Harry's capabilities, like making him a Parseltongue, it wouldn't surprise me if his Horcrux also ended up influencing his transformation.

Anyways, yes, if Harry gets disarmed of his wand, then the Elder Wand will pass on to whoever disarmed him. However, chances are Harry can win back its allegiance by disarming whoever disarmed him in the first place.
 
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zerohour

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This is more of a general question than anything else, but in order to get into NEWT Classes, you need to get a certain score on your OWL tests. If you don't score high enough, you can't take the class, though the grade you need can vary.

What happens if you don't make the grade for any classes? You still perform decently, but not well enough to justify entry into the advanced classes.

Do you just bum around Hogwarts for a couple of years, are sixth and seventh years considered "extra" and you've technically graduated, or what?

My current assumption is that years 1-5 are the high school equivalent, and that sixth and seventh years are something along the lines of vocational school or college. You could technically go out and get a job, but the positions available aren't all that impressive without some NEWTs.
 
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ArchfiendRai

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Probably other fantasy sources.

zerohour said:
This is more of a general question than anything else, but in order to get into NEWT Classes, you need to get a certain score on your OWL tests. If you don't score high enough, you can't take the class, though the grade you need can vary.

What happens if you don't make the grade for any classes? You still perform decently, but not well enough to justify entry into the advanced classes.

Do you just bum around Hogwarts for a couple of years, are sixth and seventh years considered "extra" and you've technically graduated, or what?

My current assumption is that years 1-5 are the high school equivalent, and that sixth and seventh years are something along the lines of vocational school or college. You could technically go out and get a job, but the positions available aren't all that impressive without some NEWTs.
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...I have no fucking idea. They kind of dodged the issue in canon by switching teachers out in 6.

I've never heard of a secondary teacher for any subject. Maybe they simply get locked out of the class unless they retest at some point? (If thats even allowed. Don't know that either.)
 
seitora

seitora

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Well, Fred and George only got like 3 OWLs between them, so somebody had a lot of free time it would seem.
 
TC_Hazard

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seitora said:
Well, Fred and George only got like 3 OWLs between them, so somebody had a lot of free time it would seem.
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They are a bit of a special case though. They wanted that free time.

That said, it does seem like Wizards with several Newt Classes are not all that common.

I mean, there were like 10 or so people in the Potion's NEWT class. I imagine most wizards usually qualify for just one or two NEWT classes because there has to be something they are good at.

If they don't qualify for any class, well, they would probably have to leave the school. Or maybe they just repeat the year until they qualify for a minimum amount of NEWT level classes.
 
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zerohour

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I'm leaning towards they aren't a requirement, simply because the OWLs are Ordinary Wizarding Levels. Ordinary implies that is the expected level of excellence.

Would be an interesting story if Harry ended up bumming around for a year because Umbridge sabotaged his OWL scores.
 
seitora

seitora

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zerohour said:
I'm leaning towards they aren't a requirement, simply because the OWLs are Ordinary Wizarding Levels. Ordinary implies that is the expected level of excellence.

Would be an interesting story if Harry ended up bumming around for a year because Umbridge sabotaged his OWL scores.
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Fanfic writers would ruin it by bashing Hogwarts educations, having Harry read books all year and books end up being significantly better than actual teachers at making him a super-badass capable of PWNING M4D D3ATH 3AT3RS!!!1!!
 
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seitora said:
zerohour said:
I'm leaning towards they aren't a requirement, simply because the OWLs are Ordinary Wizarding Levels. Ordinary implies that is the expected level of excellence.

Would be an interesting story if Harry ended up bumming around for a year because Umbridge sabotaged his OWL scores.
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Fanfic writers would ruin it by bashing Hogwarts educations, having Harry read books all year and books end up being significantly better than actual teachers at making him a super-badass capable of PWNING M4D D3ATH 3AT3RS!!!1!!
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Don't forget comparisons to Superior Muggle Master Race, soapboxing from mouthpiece!Hermione and authorial rants how racist, stupid & backwards magical society is.
 
da_fox2279

da_fox2279

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zerohour said:
I'm leaning towards they aren't a requirement, simply because the OWLs are Ordinary Wizarding Levels. Ordinary implies that is the expected level of excellence.

Would be an interesting story if Harry ended up bumming around for a year because Umbridge sabotaged his OWL scores.
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Wouldn't Harry be Obliviated then? I was under the impression that any muggle-born/-raised were sent back to the muggle side of things should they not graduate/earn their OWLs.
 
ThatGuy115

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Sorry if this has been asked/answered already but this question popped into my head after reading some fanfiction. Do the Harry Potter books give any Transfiguration spells? I ask because I remember the incantations for some Defense spells (expelliarmus, stupefy, impedimenta, reducto, riddikulus, and expecto patronum) some Charm spells (lumos, wingardium leviosa, accio, alohomora, and colloportus) and of course the Unforgivables (crucio, imperio, and avada kedavra) but I don't remember any incantations for Transfiguration spells.
 
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nixofcyzerra

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Pretty sure the "t" wasn't silent when it was spoken in the films, and JK had plenty of creative imput on them.
 
seitora

seitora

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Well, she doesn't micromanage every little thing, but pronunciation is a pretty big thing there.

The thing about the films that still galls me is Bem, since I think the actor who played him was apparently a relative of one of the higher-ups or something.
 
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