Harry Potter Questions of canon events...
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I blame Hagrid. He usually drops his 't' endings...
‘Well – I don’ like sayin’ the name if I can help it...
But in this case...
‘Nah – can’ spell it. All righ' – Voldemort.’ Hagrid shuddered.
‘Don’ make me say it again.' - and he never did!
Well, if he can't even spell it, I'm not surprised he can't pronounce it, especially since he's never heard it spoken for forty years [edit, make that fifty!] - no one has. After that, one of the few people to say the name was Harry who got it from Hagrid.
Next thing you know, we won't be able to pronounce the T at the end of You-Know-Whoot.
‘Well – I don’ like sayin’ the name if I can help it...
But in this case...
‘Nah – can’ spell it. All righ' – Voldemort.’ Hagrid shuddered.
‘Don’ make me say it again.' - and he never did!
Well, if he can't even spell it, I'm not surprised he can't pronounce it, especially since he's never heard it spoken for forty years [edit, make that fifty!] - no one has. After that, one of the few people to say the name was Harry who got it from Hagrid.
Next thing you know, we won't be able to pronounce the T at the end of You-Know-Whoot.
This brings up a great question. How do you think people in the Harry Potter Universe pronounce Voldemort's name?
I mean, if everyone refers to him as "You-Know-Who" and "the Dark Lord", kids aren't going to know how to pronounce his name.
How do people say that name in-universe? You have to consider the fact that almost everyone we saw was British and knew very little French.
Do people even know how to spell out Voldemort's name? The first time we see Voldemort in writing is in Book 2, when Riddle does the floating letters thing. Would people have been spelling it "Voldemor" since it's sounded out that way?
I mean, if everyone refers to him as "You-Know-Who" and "the Dark Lord", kids aren't going to know how to pronounce his name.
How do people say that name in-universe? You have to consider the fact that almost everyone we saw was British and knew very little French.
Do people even know how to spell out Voldemort's name? The first time we see Voldemort in writing is in Book 2, when Riddle does the floating letters thing. Would people have been spelling it "Voldemor" since it's sounded out that way?
True, and it came back to bite him in the ass. Selecting some random person to be the Secret Keeper is fine in theory, but unless you have some way of keeping in contact/keeping an eye on them, you have no way of knowing when something happens to them. Should they be injured badly enough, you will need a new secret keeper fast, and what happens when you only have a few moments to decide/find one?
I'm not sure if it's supposed to be sad or ironic that Harry, who has hair that many times is referred to as just not capable of staying down, should have a family history involving the creation of a potion that's supposed to tame hair.
There goes like four-fifths of fanfictions down in flames that involve Harry having some sort of super-badass heritage. Kind of odd that it took JK 8 years after the last book to even reveal Harry's grandparents to us, who we now know aren't Charles Potter and Dorea Black.
There goes like four-fifths of fanfictions down in flames that involve Harry having some sort of super-badass heritage. Kind of odd that it took JK 8 years after the last book to even reveal Harry's grandparents to us, who we now know aren't Charles Potter and Dorea Black.
An interesting question. I went back and re-read the passage. Firstly, I should say that my view is that a story does not need to explain every detail – in fact, shouldn't, for it will distract and slow things down. Stories are meant to be read and enjoyed and logic flaws are only bad if they are extremely obvious when reading for enjoyment. Analysing afterwards and discovering plot holes does not detract from the quality of the literature imo. So, this is how I would explain what might have happened:
Offstage, Wormtail crouches waiting. Beside him on the ground lie Voldemort's wand, a robe, and Voldemort's embryonic form. When he hears Harry and Cedric arrive he bundles up Voldemort in the robe, picks up the wand, then moves forward to deal with Harry.
As soon as Harry sees them, his scar hurts so badly he collapses blindly.
Voldemort commands Wormtail to kill Cedric. With Voldemort's wand still in his hand, he does so, then pushes the wand into the bundled robe pocket and lays the bundle down on the ground.
Wormtail now comes forward and uses his own wand to light a wandlight, secure Harry, light the cauldron fire, summon the bone, etc. He drops the naked embryo into the cauldron.
When Voldemort arises fully-formed but naked, he commands Wormtail to robe him, which Wormtail does with the robe from the ground. Voldemort then pulls the wand from the pocket.
At the end of the scene when the spells come out of the wand in reverse order, I believe some minor spells are not directly mentioned such as throwing Wormtail against the tomb, Crucio's etc - though there are several screams from the wand. Then the metal hand he made for Wormtail comes out first, more screams, and so on back to Cedric's death cast by Wormtail, etc.
Offstage, Wormtail crouches waiting. Beside him on the ground lie Voldemort's wand, a robe, and Voldemort's embryonic form. When he hears Harry and Cedric arrive he bundles up Voldemort in the robe, picks up the wand, then moves forward to deal with Harry.
As soon as Harry sees them, his scar hurts so badly he collapses blindly.
Voldemort commands Wormtail to kill Cedric. With Voldemort's wand still in his hand, he does so, then pushes the wand into the bundled robe pocket and lays the bundle down on the ground.
Wormtail now comes forward and uses his own wand to light a wandlight, secure Harry, light the cauldron fire, summon the bone, etc. He drops the naked embryo into the cauldron.
When Voldemort arises fully-formed but naked, he commands Wormtail to robe him, which Wormtail does with the robe from the ground. Voldemort then pulls the wand from the pocket.
At the end of the scene when the spells come out of the wand in reverse order, I believe some minor spells are not directly mentioned such as throwing Wormtail against the tomb, Crucio's etc - though there are several screams from the wand. Then the metal hand he made for Wormtail comes out first, more screams, and so on back to Cedric's death cast by Wormtail, etc.
If Peter did have his own wand, that's weird that he would still use Voldemort's wand then. Especially since the whole 'wands not personally suited to the user' thing was established in like, Book 2 with Ron. I guess Rowling just wanted Cedric to come back with the Priori Incantatem, but that's just still like, weird, man.
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. Most likely it's just a mistake. We know in the first edition she had James coming out the wand before Lily and that was fixed. Probably she originally had Voldemort kill Cedric then much later she thought it would be good to give the command 'kill the spare' to highlight how casual death can be - but she forgot she'd got Cedric popping out the wand later. Or the other way, she had Pettigrew kill Cedric with his own wand then much later she thought it would be cool to have Cedric pop out the wand and ask Harry to take his body back - but she forgot it wasn't Voldy who did the deed.