Random Ending Question

H-Man

Random phantom.
#1
Okay, here goes. On my primary fic, not hosted here, the main character goes on a quest to save a girl he likes, getting joined by new allies, and losing some in the process. During this time, they kill people with lots of blood and gore using only their hands. Unfortunately, one of the female characters for whom he ends up having an attraction for (not the same he's rescuing) ends up killed by him when she gets infected with a virus that would turn her into a vicious whale monster.

My question is: for the ending (about fifty parts or so later, which means a hundred chapters or so), considering that event, would it better for him to end up alone or with someone?
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#2
I need more information on your characters, but sex/romance just for the sake of it is a bad thing, in my opinion.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#3
1-What kind of information?
2-Yes, that I know. Incidentally, the story focuses on two things primarily: first one is characterization, second one is the shock factor. For the first one to work, I need to develop the characters past the 'average' level, and considering how they are going to interact, I'd say that, by the time the story gets there, I can shift the chosen duo from 'caring for each other in a friendly way' to 'caring for each other in a more intimate way' (which does not mean sex, even if it'll appear in the story).
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#4
Problem with commenting on this idea is... too damn general. I mean, what kind of man is he? Kind, heroic, or asshole, idiot, etc.? The woman? Caring, kind, sweet, or independent, distrust other people, etc? It's an adventure fic I see, but there are tons of 'adventure' stories out there. Each with different characters with all different kinds of backgrounds. Some follow the stereotypical hero people, others do not. So that doesn't help us determine what the characters should do and so forth.

The only thing I could say is what Lord Raa has said. Sex/romance just for the hell of it does not equal a good story.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#5
Mou... a problem about the 'woman' (I haven't decided even this part...) is that I haven't chosen her yet. Don't blame me - she may be one of the characters I've introduced already, or she may appear on the last wing (about a few parts or so before the final fortress).

The main is a 14-year old boy. Physically, he's average, easy to harm, but recovers fast and easily. Personality-wise, he's calm, hard to anger usually, but disgusted by anyone who does acts that do not fit his form of justice. He tends to make bonds with those he meets, due to a part of his nature, and is aligned to the element of Ice. Very shy and introverted, a literal bookworm, he is leaving his city for the first time in his (current) life, but he's being aided by the people he meets on the way.

I figure this is a good enough profile... given how it would be better for you people to read the story, but since you won't due to the fandom, I guess it'll do for now. Does this help?

(Sidenote: YES, I know that putting something just for its own sake is not a good idea. But I'm not writing it for its own sake! It's going to work out once I'm on the proper point!)
 

Fatuous One

Well-Known Member
#6
Does this help?
No.

-_-

Seriously, 'you haven't decided on this part yet'? If you're going to ask 'should this character end up with this character', at least have a half-decent idea of what characters you're talking about. People can't help you if they have no idea who the hell you're talking about.

Basically, given that even you don't have any idea of the personality behind both characters, it's just as Raa pointed out:

sex/romance just for the sake of it is a bad thing, in my opinion.
Thus, the answer is no.
 

Raven

Well-Known Member
#7
So, to summarize, you are talking about whether or not to have a romance in an adventure story you are writing in a fandom you refuse to name, lest it alienate the people here, about a naive, socially awkward yet charismatic bookworm and a girl, who you have yet to describe. Another girl, whom the main character has a 'romantic interest in' gets killed along the journey, which probably affects the two romantic leads' relationship.

I'm not trying to be rude here, but that really isn't very much to go off of. Even if you aren't willing to provide a link to your story, at the very least, tell us the fandom and the characters, so we have a better picture to judge off of. You mentioned that you didn't want to tell us because we would lose interest, but not telling us any information isn't helping any either. True, some people here might lose interest, but... oh well... At least those of us who have heard of the fandom and have some knowledge of it might be able to provide better input than the virtues of having a romance between two unspecified characters as opposed to the lack thereof.
 

Raven

Well-Known Member
#9
H-Man said:
I figure this is a good enough profile... given how it would be better for you people to read the story, but since you won't due to the fandom, I guess it'll do for now. Does this help?
Oh, I figured that he was talking about an unpopular fandom. Looking at it again and reading the other posts once more, I suppose he could be referring to the fact that generally speaking, original fiction is less popular than fanfiction. My bad.

In that case, provide a link so people can get a feel for the characters.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#10
Well, he did put it in 'General Fanfiction forum. Granted, we don't really have a 'general writing' forum here, but still, I can see where people might be confused about whether or not this is fanfiction or an original story. <_<

As for a link for the 'feel' of the characters, from my understanding, he's not even at this point yet. And this is why we have problems helping him. How can we help him suggest (keyword suggest) where his story should go, if he isn't even sure of the characters himself? <_<
 

Raven

Well-Known Member
#11
H-Man said:
Okay, here goes. On my primary fic, not hosted here
I assumed from this that he had at least written part of it. If not, then...well, maybe he can at least write some scenes with the characters interacting so we can get a basic understanding of them. Other than that, like you said, it would be very difficult to help out.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#12
Ah. Sort of passed over that part. :unsure:

But if he has posted something up, than that means he could give us more characterization by given us maybe a scene or two.

But if he meant 'not hosted here' as in, it's not even in written form hence why it isn't 'hosted' here, different situation. <_<
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#13
Jeez, sorry for doing something stupid...

1-No, it is NOT an original story. Only problem was that about EVERYONE I've talked to here dislikes it, thus, I thought they might already connect the dots. But, well, it seems like you people couldn't manage it... sigh.

My problem with developing the female character is because, simply put, there are too many choices for me. She can be the first ally of his, the second, the third, a person he happens to help at the beginning who ends up following him...

2-I already have three parts written for this story, currently on the fourth. Chapter amount is superior to forty. Main reason I didn't post here is because I had a suspicion I might end up receiving a bunch of crap reviews just because of the fandom.

3-Main reason why I put it here is because it's an AU of a canon mix, plus a crossover. Additionally, it's set so far into the future, nearly all canon characters are dead.

But fine... you people request, you receive.

Link.

Dislike or not, you don't have to read it.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#14
Looking at where that forum goes to, I see why you were reluctant to mention us about the fandom you are writing in.

HOWEVER...

For those that have seen said series, or even tolerated it at least, knowing the fandom could have helped us in giving you some pointers about how your story should end and so forth. I mean, as understandable as it is about writing for a series that isn't popular here and wanting not to reveal it is one thing, but without even knowing the basic outline of the characters you wanted to talk to, you didn't give anything for us to work with. Heck, we might even have given you pointers despite the fandom you were writing in since, we want to help all writers here. No matter what fandom they are writing in.

Which we couldn't do since, even without knowing the fandom, what you have posted here is simply not enough. I mean, if I was talking about say Love Hina, but I didn't want to reveal the story, I could still have described the characters a bit to help others understand where I was going.

Example, the main character is a loser type, but at heart, very kind. While not the smartest person in the world, if he puts his mind to it, he can accomplish almost everything. As for the women in his lives? Well, at first he goes after the academically smart, but overreactive and violent girl, but I plan on having him go after a women who is stern most of the time, a little violent granted, good with the sword, but, break that shell, I think I can make a wonderful story with it.

Now, yeah, you could say you could surmise what series I was talking about in my description above. However, given that a number of series have similar premises, or even similar characters, people won't figure it out right away if that is your fear. Heck, I might even make it even more 'general' but still give out enough info for people to comment on.

And still, the above is enough to give anyone wanting to give you suggestions much needed info to do just that.

Mind you, keyword here being suggestions. Take them as you will since, in the end, whatever you decide, is up to you.
 

Fatuous One

Well-Known Member
#15
Jeez, sorry for doing something stupid...
I doubt that.

1-No, it is NOT an original story. Only problem was that about EVERYONE I've talked to here dislikes it, thus, I thought they might already connect the dots. But, well, it seems like you people couldn't manage it... sigh.
...right. Subtly is lost on us, huh?

My problem with developing the female character is because, simply put, there are too many choices for me. She can be the first ally of his, the second, the third, a person he happens to help at the beginning who ends up following him...
That's great, you've got lots of choices. But it sounds like you still have absolutely no idea of who this person is exactly. It boils down to "Should my main guy shack up with this faceless girl?"

You don't know yet, that's fine, but if you actually want some opinions besides "Yeah, I like romance! Do it!/Nah, being a loner is better!", you're going to need to actually decide that before you go asking people for help.

Then again, judging from the poll, perhaps that IS what you want. *shrug*

2-I already have three parts written for this story, currently on the fourth. Chapter amount is superior to forty. Main reason I didn't post here is because I had a suspicion I might end up receiving a bunch of crap reviews just because of the fandom.
Ahh, yes, thank you for assuming we're all FF.net reviewers.

Many of us may despise Pokemon with a vengeance, but we're not going to flame it off hand. At worst, now, you would have gotten nothing.

FYI, there is actual some Pokemon fiction (porn, actually) posted up, although it was just plagiarized work. -_-

Still, I suppose that's understandable, given the opinions opted on the forum for it.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#16
To answer Simmy's main questions: I'm not really good at trying to explain my stories. I know I should have probably thought this better, and there's not much excuse for my actions, but I'm not really having a good moment in my life, plus my sleep seems weird.

As for F1's, well... that was mostly based off moments when I tried bringing up the topic. Nothing related to FF.n reviewers (which I have no experience with, given how I'm barely reviewed). Also, I just want to decide what I want to do with the story, not make a last-minute decision. THAT is why I'm asking this while the story is still in the beginning.
 

Fatuous One

Well-Known Member
#17
As for F1's, well... that was mostly based off moments when I tried bringing up the topic. Nothing related to FF.n reviewers (which I have no experience with, given how I'm barely reviewed). Also, I just want to decide what I want to do with the story, not make a last-minute decision. THAT is why I'm asking this while the story is still in the beginning.
That's a good idea.

HOWEVER, what you need at this point is an outline. Maybe do it in your head, most likely put it on paper/computer screen, but it should be done if you don't plan on winging it. Nothing extremely detailed, just putting events as how you want them to be such as:

-Main character fights this enemy.

-Main character arrives at such and such a location.

-Main character first meets side character.

That type of thing. Once you do that, you can start building up from it. Adding details to those events like:

-Main character fights this enemy:
After getting enraged by the enemy's taunts, and getting beaten up because of his temper, main character eventually pulls himself together and outsmarts his enemy. Leading him into a den of sleeping wolves that he had seen earlier, and then sneaking away safely, he smirks as he watches the fool run away with the cranky wolves nipping at his heels. Victory.

-Main character arrives at such and such a location:
First he comes through the main gate, finding a run-down inn. Seeing as he doesn't have much money on hand, he decides to chance it in favor of paying more at a different place.

After sleeping the night, he leaves.

-Main character first meets side character:
The initial meeting doesn't go so well. Main character first starts a brawl with side character and ends up getting injured, although he breaks side character's arm as well. They part ways with less than good impressions of each other.

And in addition to that, you should (after getting a basic outline) decide on WHO exactly your characters are. That is to say, what they're like. Something like this:

Main character:
He's a brash, young adventurer who's seeking fame and fortune. While he's 'trained' in martial arts, his temper and inexperience make him a less than stellar fighter. He mostly makes up for this with his ingenuity, which has lead him to coming up with brilliant ideas on the spur of the moment.

Side character:
He's a wizened old traveler whose experience is only rivaled by his bad habits. Known to gamble, smoke, drink, steal, pick fights, and other numerous vices, he's not a well liked fellow. However, despite this, he's a do-gooder. If there's trouble for innocent folk, he's not one to idly watch.

Of course, these are only basic examples, but you get the idea. Only after you've done this should you start messing around. Fill in the details as you want. The outline is just that, an outline, so you can change events and only have to make small modifications instead of rewriting large chunks. This is where you'd want to ask for help. Tell people the bare bones of the involved events and give more details if they ask.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#18
...that's stuff I usually do, I just didn't have it at hand back then (since it was on my own computer).
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#19
In my case I usually keep it in my head. Of course, this has its own problems (forgetting a few details). And means I should probably write it down. Still... planning goes a long way. And when I post it here on the forums, I get a lot of healthy feedback since people know what I want to do, and where I'm planning to take my story.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#20
*sigh* I was just remembering something that's been keeping me off my edge, about talking of this story... and, well, I figure my reaction ought to be reasonable.

See, that fic was 'rewritten' by someone, and turned into a yaoifest.

That's right; it went from an action/adventure with horror themes into an excuse for two characters (conveniently, one of them changed into a PokÚmon) to have 'ze buttsex', while the female, who 'apparently had a crush on the main', gives up easily. (Note: I did NOT write her as having one of those at the time.)

So, no, I haven't been very happy in a while.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#21
Ah. Now we can see why you're reluctant to give out info about your fic.

Of course, this isn't FFN where people just 'randomly' steal story ideas without asking permission (or in this case, a story period and rewriting it). Heck, if you've been to Hawk's forum, you'd see what happens to someone that attempts to steal a fic from someone (in this case, the 'famous' Hawk himself). <_<

But again, there is nothing wrong with keeping things 'general' if you still fear someone stealing your idea/story. Just that, you also have to figure in that, when you ask for help, we need to know certain things before we can help. Again, there are ways to keep it general while still giving out the important information.
 
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