Nasuverse Random idea

[spooky316]

Well, I didn't see a misc. FSN idea thread, so I'll just put this up:

We know the Grail creates bodies for the servants, but what if there was already a body there for the taking?

Case in point - Emiya Shirou.

Technically, Archer is Shirou, so what if when Rin summoned Archer, she screwed up enough that instead of losing his memories, Archer's soul got shoved into Shirou's body (like some sort of possession)? I guess Archer's memories could still be gone, but I don't think it would work as well.

Now you could either have it so Archer possesses Shirou at his house, or the possession could happen first and then Archer/Shirou gets dumped into Rin's house like originally happened.

I'd probably go with the second route, since I'm pretty sure if Archer keeps his memories and then suddenly finds himself in his old body he'd try to off himself, so the only way to stop that is for Rin to use a command seal.

Of course, then there's the whole "Archer playing the part of Shirou" thing to try and fool everyone else, and I'm sure he'd hate acting like that again.

And would Archer/Shirou still summon Saber?

Oh, and the original Shirou is in the "back seat" until the Grail War ends. He's aware of everything that's happenning, but can't do anything. Maybe he and Archer can have telepathic conversations or something.

Hmm...

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What? At least I didn't post my crack idea where Zaraki is summoned as Saber. h43r: :evil:

Anyway, questions, comments (other ideas)?

 

[grant]

Zaraki as Saber, I think he's more of a Berserker. Saber seems to be somewhat sane.

 

[spooky316]

Zaraki as Saber, I think he's more of a Berserker. Saber seems to be somewhat sane.

Technically, Zaraki never goes insane or into berserker rages at all. He's in control of himself all the time. He just likes to fight so damn much it sometimes seems like he's a berseker. :sweat2:

 

[Mereo Flere]

I'd love to see Archer be Shirou.

Well, not really trying - because he is Shirou, and knows damn well how to act. Still, he wouldn't try to kill himself; the very paradox he was trying to invoke wouldn't work correctly that way.

The method he attempts is very specific: Shirou, Archer from the Future, must kill Shirou, who himself must be on the path to following Archer in the first place.

And, while he hates himself, he certainly wouldn't kill himself. Kill another version of himself, or accept his execution, or die trying to protect someone else, but never kill himself.

 

[spooky316]

Still, he wouldn't try to kill himself; the very paradox he was trying to invoke wouldn't work correctly that way.

The method he attempts is very specific:? Shirou, Archer from the Future, must kill Shirou, who himself must be on the path to following Archer in the first place.

But since Archer's in past Shirou's body, wouldn't it be the same thing? He'd kill himself, Shirou would be dead, and he (Archer) would go back to wherever he came from (Throne of Heroes, or wherever a counter guardian's from). :hmm:

 

[zeebee1]

How much power could he have if he was in a mortal body.

 

[spooky316]

How much power could he have if he was in a mortal body.

That is a problem. However, he can still trace and use UBW. Plus, he wouldn't need to drain prana to stay in the world.

 

[Mereo Flere]

But since Archer's in past Shirou's body, wouldn't it be the same thing? He'd kill himself, Shirou would be dead, and he (Archer) would go back to wherever he came from (Throne of Heroes, or wherever a counter guardian's from). :hmm:

That's missing what Archer was after in the first place.

The paradox necessary to achieve his goal specifically requires Shirou from the future (himself; Archer) to kill Shirou who's on the path to becoming Archer. If either the killer or the killed are different, then it won't be a success. In UBW, he keeps Caster from killing Shirou so that he can do it himself. In Heaven's Feel, when Shirou strays from that path, Archer realizes that there's no more point in killing Shirou. That's because what little chance of the paradox occurring is gone, and he can't get himself erased from the Throne of Heroes.

Inside his younger self's body, he can't achieve that; it'd just be suicide, and he'd continue to go through the cycle of being a Counter Guardian. Sure, the other motivation for killing Shirou - hating his past ideals - is there with his younger self in the back of his mind, but that's still no real reason to kill himself.

Though, he might not have to. Having Archer's arm alone was killing him; having his soul might play utter havoc on his body. Even if there are no outstanding side effects, he wouldn't have the prana to draw out UBW.

 

[toraneko]

Even if there are no outstanding side effects, he wouldn't have the prana to draw out UBW.

Not necessarily true. Remember that the Magic Circuits, which produce prana, are part of the soul and not the body. If it's Archer's soul, then it's Archer's Magic Circuits.

 

[spooky316]

But since Archer's in past Shirou's body, wouldn't it be the same thing?? He'd kill himself, Shirou would be dead, and he (Archer) would go back to wherever he came from (Throne of Heroes, or wherever a counter guardian's from). :hmm:

That's missing what Archer was after in the first place.

The paradox necessary to achieve his goal specifically requires Shirou from the future (himself; Archer) to kill Shirou who's on the path to becoming Archer. If either the killer or the killed are different, then it won't be a success. In UBW, he keeps Caster from killing Shirou so that he can do it himself. In Heaven's Feel, when Shirou strays from that path, Archer realizes that there's no more point in killing Shirou. That's because what little chance of the paradox occurring is gone, and he can't get himself erased from the Throne of Heroes.

Inside his younger self's body, he can't achieve that; it'd just be suicide, and he'd continue to go through the cycle of being a Counter Guardian. Sure, the other motivation for killing Shirou - hating his past ideals - is there with his younger self in the back of his mind, but that's still no real reason to kill himself.

Though, he might not have to. Having Archer's arm alone was killing him; having his soul might play utter havoc on his body. Even if there are no outstanding side effects, he wouldn't have the prana to draw out UBW.

This is basically a moot point anyway, since in the story he obviously won't kill himself. :sisi:

 

[Mereo Flere]

Just pointing out that Rin wouldn't need to use a command seal to keep Archer alive.

Especially since, if he wanted to do so, it's not like he would make it obvious in the first place.

As for magic circuits, it'd be a bit iffy, though you're right about it being part of the soul. Looking back, he'd also still be Rin's servant, so...