Ranma ½ Ranma canon questions

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

The reason is pride and nothing else. The pride of the woman warriors demands no lost face. Hence marry or kill your better, depending on if man or woman. Shampoo pursues Ranma not exactly out of genuine feelings, she loves him because pride dictates she must marry him.

Bad translation and nothing else. Apparently the kanji used in the Japanese version, especially if you account for the fact that the actual law is in Chinese, does not exactly read, but a sort of may. Shampoo's actions during the Reversal Jewel arc reinforce this, she doesn't give him a second kiss when he bests her again.

Heck the simple fact that the jewel could actually make her hate him means she actually likes him.

 

[AJ_Katon]

Why was Ranma rocking more American clothes in the anime?

 

[Lawra]

Why was Ranma rocking more American clothes in the anime?

Anime clothing was simplified down for ease of animation. Which got rid of a lot of his style from the manga and gave us that awful orange shirt with the tiny bow tie.

 

[AJ_Katon]

Why was Ranma rocking more American clothes in the anime?

Anime clothing was simplified down for ease of animation. Which got rid of a lot of his style from the manga and gave us that awful orange shirt with the tiny bow tie.

Well that sucks. That bow tie was just...wrong on Ranma.

 

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

OK, another one, fanfiction often says Ranma wears silk shirt and tang (pants), is there any time is is said in canon?

 

[Lord Raa]

In the manga, he is shown to wear a Chinese style silk shirt. That's the proper canon for some people.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

The reason is pride and nothing else. The pride of the woman warriors demands no lost face. Hence marry or kill your better, depending on if man or woman. Shampoo pursues Ranma not exactly out of genuine feelings, she loves him because pride dictates she must marry him.

The whole Kiss of Marriage thing is not only sexist and outdated as hell, but based on a philosophy that is as well.

As far as I can tell, the reasoning behind it is "If you can't beat them with your fists and feet, defeat them with your..." well, you get the idea.

 

[The Ero-Sennin]

The reason is pride and nothing else. The pride of the woman warriors demands no lost face. Hence marry or kill your better, depending on if man or woman. Shampoo pursues Ranma not exactly out of genuine feelings, she loves him because pride dictates she must marry him.

The whole Kiss of Marriage thing is not only sexist and outdated as hell, but based on a philosophy that is as well.

As far as I can tell, the reasoning behind it is "If you can't beat them with your fists and feet, defeat them with your..." well, you get the idea.

Pfft, when you put it like that, then Shampoo is an even more colossal failure to her village. Harhar.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

The reason is pride and nothing else. The pride of the woman warriors demands no lost face. Hence marry or kill your better, depending on if man or woman. Shampoo pursues Ranma not exactly out of genuine feelings, she loves him because pride dictates she must marry him.

The whole Kiss of Marriage thing is not only sexist and outdated as hell, but based on a philosophy that is as well.

As far as I can tell, the reasoning behind it is "If you can't beat them with your fists and feet, defeat them with your..." well, you get the idea.

Pfft, when you put it like that, then Shampoo is an even more colossal failure to her village. Harhar.

The fact that Shampoo's entire pursuit of Ranma seems to be based on the idea that men don't think with their big heads (though, admittedly apparently almost the entire male population of Furinkan High fit that stereotype to a T,) does seem to indicate that she proscribes to the "if you can't beat them in a fight, beat them on your back" way of thinking.

I mean, do we ever see her train to improve? She has access to Cologne 24-7, and yet I wouldn't bet on her in a serious fight against Kuno or a non-lovesick Mousse.

 

[Altered Nova]

So I have this theory about Shampoo: Rules like the Kiss of Marriage make me think that the Amazons probably aren't big on things like dating or cohabitation... what if they also literally aren't allowed to marry a man unless he defeats her in battle? Shampoo being the strongest in her village and being too prideful to ever throw a fight against a man, may well have feared that she would never find a romantic partner and would always be alone. So it may be that her extreme affection for Ranma is partially driven by a belief that he is her only chance to ever find love.

 

[Lawra]

The reason is pride and nothing else. The pride of the woman warriors demands no lost face. Hence marry or kill your better, depending on if man or woman. Shampoo pursues Ranma not exactly out of genuine feelings, she loves him because pride dictates she must marry him.

The whole Kiss of Marriage thing is not only sexist and outdated as hell, but based on a philosophy that is as well.

As far as I can tell, the reasoning behind it is "If you can't beat them with your fists and feet, defeat them with your..." well, you get the idea.

Pfft, when you put it like that, then Shampoo is an even more colossal failure to her village. Harhar.

The fact that Shampoo's entire pursuit of Ranma seems to be based on the idea that men don't think with their big heads (though, admittedly apparently almost the entire male population of Furinkan High fit that stereotype to a T,) does seem to indicate that she proscribes to the "if you can't beat them in a fight, beat them on your back" way of thinking.

I mean, do we ever see her train to improve? She has access to Cologne 24-7, and yet I wouldn't bet on her in a serious fight against Kuno or a non-lovesick Mousse.

It's not almost the entire male population of Furinkan, it was a small group of dedicated idiots.

Shampoo doesn't "improve" because she was purposely crippled by Rumiko in retaliation to her popularity. She's already vastly superior to all the other girls in terms of physical ability and when she first shows up Ranma immediately flees on sight rather than try to fight her. She's not some dumb slut who's just out to get with the first man who beat her by offering sex. 

Alternatively, it has been proposed before that Shampoo's village is actually quite sexist with the females not really having much power. Hence why Mousse does whatever he wants even though Shampoo clearly wants nothing to do with him. Women have to marry/kill depending on the outcome of a fight. Something males don't abide by.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

So I have this theory about Shampoo: Rules like the Kiss of Marriage make me think that the Amazons probably aren't big on things like dating or cohabitation... what if they also literally aren't allowed to marry a man unless he defeats her in battle? Shampoo being the strongest in her village and being too prideful to ever throw a fight against a man, may well have feared that she would never find a romantic partner and would always be alone. So it may be that her extreme affection for Ranma is partially driven by a belief that he is her only chance to ever find love.

That does sort of fit with my impression that Shampoo was more enamoured of the idea of being in love than actually being in it. Interesting idea.

The fact that Shampoo's entire pursuit of Ranma seems to be based on the idea that men don't think with their big heads (though, admittedly apparently almost the entire male population of Furinkan High fit that stereotype to a T,) does seem to indicate that she proscribes to the "if you can't beat them in a fight, beat them on your back" way of thinking.

I mean, do we ever see her train to improve? She has access to Cologne 24-7, and yet I wouldn't bet on her in a serious fight against Kuno or a non-lovesick Mousse.

It's not almost the entire male population of Furinkan, it was a small group of dedicated idiots.

Fair enough.

Shampoo doesn't "improve" because she was purposely crippled by Rumiko in retaliation to her popularity.

Translation: Rumiko didn't want what happened with Lum to be repeated, and have her readers root for the crazy and fairly murderous girl because she's "exotic" and had big tits.

She's already vastly superior to all the other girls in terms of physical ability and when she first shows up Ranma immediately flees on sight rather than try to fight her.

...Because she was fighting to kill, and Ranma wasn't going to reciprocate. He ran and hid because it's the practical thing to do when dealing with an assassin that you won't kill or maim due to morals. He beat her in one kick when she first challenged him, and he took her out in one move when she threatened Akane. I really don't think that Shampoo was ever intended to be portrayed as someone close in skill to Ranma. Superior to the other girls, sure, but her feats in her first arc pale in comparison to the stuff Ryoga pulled off when fighting Ranma.

Alternatively, it has been proposed before that Shampoo's village is actually quite sexist with the females not really having much power. Hence why Mousse does whatever he wants even though Shampoo clearly wants nothing to do with him. Women have to marry/kill depending on the outcome of a fight. Something males don't abide by.

Interesting theory, but Mousse always seemed to be more, well, not accepting of being turned into a duck and locked in a cage, but accustomed to that level of disrespect, rather than indignant that he, a male, was treated in such a way.

 

[Lawra]

...Because she was fighting to kill, and Ranma wasn't going to reciprocate. He ran and hid because it's the practical thing to do when dealing with an assassin that you won't kill or maim due to morals. He beat her in one kick when she first challenged him, and he took her out in one move when she threatened Akane. I really don't think that Shampoo was ever intended to be portrayed as someone close in skill to Ranma. Superior to the other girls, sure, but her feats in her first arc pale in comparison to the stuff Ryoga pulled off when fighting Ranma.

If Ranma can easily beat her, it wouldn't matter what she's fighting to do. She's already trying to kill him, what's really worse than that?

Ranma knocking out Shampoo with her own mace isn't exactly a great comparison point. He surprised her by jumping in the way and destroying her weapon to bounce it off her head. She's shown to be ridiculously strong so her mallets aren't going to be some 5lb nothings.

Ranma himself is shown to get knocked out or blindsided by things several times. Ryoga in pig form is knocked out just by Shampoo jumping on him when she erases Akane's memory before she can even react.

Interesting theory, but Mousse always seemed to be more, well, not accepting of being turned into a duck and locked in a cage, but accustomed to that level of disrespect, rather than indignant that he, a male, was treated in such a way.

He'll suffer any indignity for his Shampoo.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

...Because she was fighting to kill, and Ranma wasn't going to reciprocate. He ran and hid because it's the practical thing to do when dealing with an assassin that you won't kill or maim due to morals. He beat her in one kick when she first challenged him, and he took her out in one move when she threatened Akane. I really don't think that Shampoo was ever intended to be portrayed as someone close in skill to Ranma. Superior to the other girls, sure, but her feats in her first arc pale in comparison to the stuff Ryoga pulled off when fighting Ranma.

If Ranma can easily beat her, it wouldn't matter what she's fighting to do. She's already trying to kill him, what's really worse than that?

Well, if Ranma did fight Shampoo and knock her out, all that would happen is that she'd later wake up and then track him down again. He can accomplish the same thing just by running and hiding, so why bother?

Plus, the last time he defeated her, he ended up having her vow to kill him, even if she had to chase him to the ends of the earth. Would he really want to risk rolling those dice again? For all he knows, beating her again allows her to call in reinforcements or something. There's no benefit in Ranma escalating.

Also, didn't Ranma beat Shampoo in, like, two seconds during the Reversal Jewel arc?

 

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

Shampoo doesn't "improve" because she was purposely crippled by Rumiko in retaliation to her popularity.

Translation: Rumiko didn't want what happened with Lum to be repeated, and have her readers root for the crazy and fairly murderous girl because she's "exotic" and had big tits.

She's already vastly superior to all the other girls in terms of physical ability and when she first shows up Ranma immediately flees on sight rather than try to fight her.

...Because she was fighting to kill, and Ranma wasn't going to reciprocate. He ran and hid because it's the practical thing to do when dealing with an assassin that you won't kill or maim due to morals. He beat her in one kick when she first challenged him, and he took her out in one move when she threatened Akane. I really don't think that Shampoo was ever intended to be portrayed as someone close in skill to Ranma. Superior to the other girls, sure, but her feats in her first arc pale in comparison to the stuff Ryoga pulled off when fighting Ranma.

Problem, Shampoo was only interested in killing Ranma when she first showed up, after less then a volume that's ceased, similar thing with Royga, yet Royga doesn't get shafted like Shampoo did, somehow. Also Akane hits Ranma for little to no reason after this.

 

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

OK in the Hypnotic Dim Sum arc Akane watches a TV show that parallels the situation her and Ranma are in, now the Horsebert character is clearly Ranma, so that means the Cowbert character is Akane? Can someone explain the logic here?

 

[The Ero-Sennin]

OK in the Hypnotic Dim Sum arc Akane watches a TV show that parallels the situation her and Ranma are in, now  the Horsebert character is clearly Ranma, so that means the Cowbert character is Akane? Can someone explain the logic here?

I do not understand, what are you asking?

 

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

How Akane can be viewed as a cow? (Yeah just noticed the question wasn't too well worded)

 

[The Ero-Sennin]

How Akane can be viewed as a cow? (Yeah just noticed the question wasn't too well worded)

Ah, easy answer. It's super easy when you hate her, as you do. Akane just compared herself to Horse and Cow because it was relevant to the fear she had of Ranma while they would be alone together overnight. 

She didn’t see herself as a cow, but as a girl in danger of being forced upon.

 

[seitora]

So, keep in mind it's probably been like five years since I've read the manga (and I never bothered to watch more than like two episodes of the anime), hence why I'm asking.

How much potential chemistry do you think there would be between Ukyo and Konatsu for a relationship?

 

[Lawra]

So, keep in mind it's probably been like five years since I've read the manga (and I never bothered to watch more than like two episodes of the anime), hence why I'm asking.

How much potential chemistry do you think there would be between Ukyo and Konatsu for a relationship?

There isn't, she treats him barely better than his step sisters did. Which is really not saying much.

 

[nuclear death frog]

So, keep in mind it's probably been like five years since I've read the manga (and I never bothered to watch more than like two episodes of the anime), hence why I'm asking.

How much potential chemistry do you think there would be between Ukyo and Konatsu for a relationship?

None.

In a meta sense, it's obvious that Konatsu was invented to be perfect for her, but, in a non-meta sense, her treatment of him is terrible.

So in Takahashi's mind, maybe that meant there was chemistry between them. Errm...

 

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

You guys make it sound like Ukyo's treatment of Konatsu is abnormal for one character of another in this series.

 

[ijp92]

You guys make it sound like Ukyo's treatment of Konatsu is abnormal for one character of another in this series.

Overall, no it really isn't abnormal.

But, it is sort of odd, because Ukyo doesn't dislike Konatsu. She likes him fine, but still takes terrible advantage of him.

 

[Anonguy]

It's helpful to remember that sweet, kind, and friendly Ukyo is complete fanon and that she's just as much of a bitch as every other character in the series.

Her basically being no better than his step-family is only really jarring if you think of her as some aw shucks down to Earth "good girl".