Ranma ½ Ranma vs DC and Marvel martial artists

[Dumbledork]

I have some ideas for a Ranma/DCU online crossover, but I'd like to know how Ranma would fare against the top martial arts superheroes in the Marvel/DC Universes in pure martial arts (which excludes genetic enhancements, mutations, and other metahuman abilities).

Some of the greatest martial artists in the DC Universe (in no particular order) : Batman, Karate Kid, Cassandra Cain, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger

Some of the greatest martial artists in the Marvel Universe (in no particular order) : Captain America (allegedly), Taskmaster, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Elektra, Daredevil

After checking the character profiles and considering everything that Ranma is capable of, I think that in a straight martial arts battle relying only on skill they wouldn't stand a chance against him.

 

[kuopiofi]

That's... understatement of century. Even if you don't count the raw power, speed and endurance, the more serious fighters of Ranma cast go well into supernatural levels of skill. If you add their physical and esoteric abilities, you'd need the big movers and shakers or serious suspension of disbelief to give them serious resistance.

They aren't on the level of Kryptonians or others of that level, but in any less overpowered setting, they go to the top without even trying.

 

[nuclear death frog]

My opinions; take them for whatever value you think they're worth.

Karate Kid: Ranma loses, full-stop, first time, every time. This one's utterly unwinnable.

Iron Fist: Potentially interesting fight; Danny Rand has some ridiculous power feats. Ranma won't want to be hit by this guy.

Everyone else you named: Ranma ties them into knots in his sleep

 

[Dumbledork]

My opinions; take them for whatever value you think they're worth.

Karate Kid: Ranma loses, full-stop, first time, every time. This one's utterly unwinnable.

Iron Fist: Potentially interesting fight; Danny Rand has some ridiculous power feats. Ranma won't want to be hit by this guy.

Everyone else you named: Ranma ties them into knots in his sleep

I agree. Karate Kid lives in the future, thankfully (if they haven't changed his origins story once again), but I still think Ranma stands a chance in a rematch. It would be very difficult, though, but everyone has some weakness; you just have to find it.

Iron Fist/Ranma wouldbe an interesting fight, but I'd still put my money on Ranma in that one.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Iron Fist has some pretty ridiculous tanking feats in-universe. I'd actually put my money on him, seeing how he sparred with THOR and didn't get squashed like a bug.

Also, define martial artists, because technically martial arts include weapon users, in which case EVERY SINGLE ASGARDIAN counts, as they're trained in the weapon arts since a young age. Particularly noteworthy would be the Warrior Three - Fandrall is considered the best fencer in Asgard, and Hogun is a master of the mace. Volstagg is, well, just there, lol.

There's also Skurge, but Skurge nearly beat Thor, so let's ignore him.

Among mortals, Taskmaster is the big one. Remember, he can copy exactly anything he sees - and yes, that includes chi abilities, it's been stated in-story. Psylocke is also a big one, but it's fairly pointless to debate her when she can simply read her opponent's mind and counter whatever they are doing.

For DC, as someone else said, Karate Kid wins in a curbstomp of epic proportions. Not even worth discussing.

 

[Dumbledork]

Good points. What I meant was humans who only became strong martial artists through training and not because of a mutation science. Weapons are okay as long as they are not game breakers like machine guns or rocket launchers but something you use in hand to hand combat. Daredevil's stick or Elektra's sai are okay.

But yeah, Karate Kid is the strongest one among the martial artists.

I need the information for my Ranma/DCU Onlince crossover idea. Whta makes it difficult is that Ranma is a martial arts comedy and I'll have to adapt his skills to the DC Universe.

Basically, I want to find out who would be a good mentor for him. I want to be a bit original and not use one of the six in the game, or else Batman would be the obvious choice, I think.

 

[GenocideHeart]

In DCU terms even the ability to use chi is seen as a mutation - baseline humans CAN'T use it period. That would, ironically, disqualify the entirety of the Ranma crew because their martial arts now fall under 'mutation'. Ironic, isn't it?

 

[Dumbledork]

In DCU terms even the ability to use chi is seen as a mutation - baseline humans CAN'T use it period. That would, ironically, disqualify the entirety of the Ranma crew because their martial arts now fall under 'mutation'. Ironic, isn't it?

Really? Where is that mentioned in the game? I'm only lvl 20-22 with my 6 characters for now, so I might not have seen that yet.

 

[GenocideHeart]

In DCU terms even the ability to use chi is seen as a mutation - baseline humans CAN'T use it period. That would, ironically, disqualify the entirety of the Ranma crew because their martial arts now fall under 'mutation'. Ironic, isn't it?

Really? Where is that mentioned in the game? I'm only lvl 20-22 with my 6 characters for now, so I might not have seen that yet.

It's not mentioned in the game, but it IS mentioned in DC proper. Unless the latest crisis event retconned THAT too.

 

[FinalMax]

In DCU terms even the ability to use chi is seen as a mutation - baseline humans CAN'T use it period. That would, ironically, disqualify the entirety of the Ranma crew because their martial arts now fall under 'mutation'. Ironic, isn't it?

Really? Where is that mentioned in the game? I'm only lvl 20-22 with my 6 characters for now, so I might not have seen that yet.

It's not mentioned in the game, but it IS mentioned in DC proper. Unless the latest crisis event retconned THAT too.

Wouldn't be surprising on that, honestly. Though they'd likely handwave Ranma on account of him being cursed. Same would go for Ryoga as well. Come to think of it, the Ranma cast in general might get confused with sorcerers and the like.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Well... that would vindicate Kuno...

 

[fitzgerald]

One suggestion here

Write this based on comedy or whacky -hi-jinks not power levels, in this scenario its Characters that matter more than the ability to pound the other fellow into the dirt.

Imagine Plastic Man and Ranma getting into trouble, or Booster Gold trying to hustle Nabiki into setting up a fan club.

Or Wildcat trying to teach Ranma how to box, much to his amusement.

 

[CatOnFire]

Are you doing a fusion crossover (merger of universes) or a regular inserting crossover (kinda like your story the Raging Fist)?

 

[Dumbledork]

This will be a fusion. The story will be serious and there won't be much slapstick. Brainiac's invasion is anything but funny. Well, the Joker and Harley might get a laugh out of it.

The basic idea is that Japan falls after Brainiac's forces pretty much destroy Tokyo and Ranma leaves for the USA to get revenge for his dead friends and help the heroes with fighting Brainiac's forces.

There's much more behind it, of course, but that's the basic idea like I said before.

 

[pacifist]

In my opinion write him like Spiderman in terms of power level. Able to sweep the field against
anything minor: henchmen/vulture. Take a bit of time beating the medium leagues : Blue Beetle Ted
/Wolverine. Delay or provide support against big league: Juggernaut due to agility/speed/skill and be
blown away by the god league: Flash/Thor.

He's effectively a super human in terms of fighting ability and damage absorbing.

 

[Deathwings]

This will be a fusion. The story will be serious and there won't be much slapstick. Brainiac's invasion is anything but funny. Well, the Joker and Harley might get a laugh out of it.

The basic idea is that Japan falls after Brainiac's forces pretty much destroy Tokyo and Ranma leaves for the USA to get revenge for his dead friends and help the heroes with fighting Brainiac's forces.

There's much more behind it, of course, but that's the basic idea like I said before.

Boring.

Out of all the possibilities such a cross open, you just go and use one of the oldest clichÚ in the fucking book.

"Waaah, everyone is dead and now I'm out for REVENGE !"

Do you have any idea how much that has been done ? Far too many fucking times ! <_<

 

[Dumbledork]

Yeah, I know. I'm open to suggestions. There are not many possibiltities to get Ranma to go to America without the other idiots following.

Another idea I had to get him to leave was a merger of the different dimensions and timelines (happens all the time in the DCverse after all). Ranma doesn't officially exist in the new timeline and will be the only one to remember the original timeline. The rest of the cast will lead very differentl lives (and it could be amusing to detail those changes) Weirded out by the fact that no one recognizes him and since he's pretty much a ronin now he decides to leave for the states to start a new life.

Other than that there's the old dimensional portal or summoning or magical mishap.

It's pretty much impossible to find a method that hasn't been done to death.

 

[Deathwings]

*sigh* Why do you want him in America to begin with ? I can't really suggest anything if I have no idea what your initial plans are.

Everyone dies, even tough that make little sense, Ranma go to America to properly express his ANGST and his RAGE at the alien and then...what ? What happen ?

 

[varth]

Why not have superheroes haul their caped asses to Japan, to repulse invasion in Tokyo? It's not as there's much reason they are so tied to one place, waiting for villains to conveniently stumble into them.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Everyone dies, even tough that make little sense

Considering Brainiac is an omnicidal maniac and can conceivably take on the whole Justice League and come very close to winning before Hero Contractual Immunity kicks in and he loses, I'd say his slaughtering everyone in Ranma with an afterthought makes perfect sense, is completely in character and is wholly believable... so I don't see your point. Brainiac is KNOWN to go after people who have a high potential to disrupt his plans even when they're massively weaker than he is, too...

 

[Deathwings]

Everyone dies, even tough that make little sense

Considering Brainiac is an omnicidal maniac and can conceivably take on the whole Justice League and come very close to winning before Hero Contractual Immunity kicks in and he loses, I'd say his slaughtering everyone in Ranma with an afterthought makes perfect sense, is completely in character and is wholly believable... so I don't see your point. Brainiac is KNOWN to go after people who have a high potential to disrupt his plans even when they're massively weaker than he is, too...

I don't remember him doing so when the OTHER 3 billions and then some randomly empowered former civies broke out of his prison ships. Over America, which he is particularly focused on since it's the Justice League homeground.

So the question is : why would he personally go swat Nerima when he already has his hand full just trying to hold onto Gotham and Metropolice ?

If a bunch a complete noobs who got their powers literally as they were being kidnapped managed to escape his prison ship, then you'll have to give a good explanation why a bunch of level 20 equivalent got curbstomped.

Especially over Japan which he would have a lower amount of interest into no less.

 

[fitzgerald]

Yeah, I know. I'm open to suggestions. There are not many possibiltities to get Ranma to go to America without the other idiots following.

It's pretty much impossible to find a method that hasn't been done to death.

<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Light_%28Kimiyo_Hoshi%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Doctor Light</a>, is in fact a plausible source for moving Ranma into the action.

Needing a babysitter to look after her children before she can start helping repulse Brainiac's invasion, Doctor Light arrives at the Tendo's.

Why the Tendo's? A plausible answer is your choice.

<s>But it is noted that Hoshi is a single mom....... hey Tendo's meet your half siblings.</s>

Genma and Soun promptly volunteer Ranma as an aid to Hoshi and squash attempts by Akane to go along.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Everyone dies, even tough that make little sense

Considering Brainiac is an omnicidal maniac and can conceivably take on the whole Justice League and come very close to winning before Hero Contractual Immunity kicks in and he loses, I'd say his slaughtering everyone in Ranma with an afterthought makes perfect sense, is completely in character and is wholly believable... so I don't see your point. Brainiac is KNOWN to go after people who have a high potential to disrupt his plans even when they're massively weaker than he is, too...

I don't remember him doing so when the OTHER 3 billions and then some randomly empowered former civies broke out of his prison ships. Over America, which he is particularly focused on since it's the Justice League homeground.

So the question is : why would he personally go swat Nerima when he already has his hand full just trying to hold onto Gotham and Metropolice ?

If a bunch a complete noobs who got their powers literally as they were being kidnapped managed to escape his prison ship, then you'll have to give a good explanation why a bunch of level 20 equivalent got curbstomped.

Especially over Japan which he would have a lower amount of interest into no less.

Because Brainiac gets distracted easily by other things. The problem with being too smart is that he tends to overanalyze things and miss stuff happening around him. He usually doesn't lose because the other guy is stronger or any such bullshit, he loses because he starts focusing on only one thing that caught his attention and ignores everything else until some contrived plot twist causes his defeat.

That, however, is only true for things like captives escaping. Brainiac has shown repeatedly that he is frighteningly efficient when it comes to just slaughtering potential annoyances. And if he's focusing on killing someone, then that someone either is Superman, has Superman save them or is totally fucked and shoulnd't even have bothered being born at all.

There's a reason why the Justice League considers Brainiac to be only slightly less threatening than Darkseid. The guy has actually wiped all life off other planets in the past and has destroyed at least two alternate Earths with little to no effort at all.

Also, Brainiac doesn't really care about Gotham and Metropolis, it's Superman, and to a lesser extent the JLA, that are on his list. The two towns are merely convenient lures for getting them to pop up. That's the whole reason why he hasn't flattened either of them yet - and make no mistake, he's perfectly capable of reducing both to a crater.

 

[WizardOne]

Marvel and DC martial artists are one step down from Superman.


Iron fist jumped in front of a bullet train and punched it so hard the entire thing exploded.

He's knocked out hercules with one punch.

Destroyed the helicarrier in one punch.

He also has literally dozens of other abilities including: Healing himself, absorbing chi and radiation energy like a battery (good by mouko takabisha), hypnotism, limited flight, super senses (he can hear someone sweating), can dodge bullets, limited precognition.

This is the sort of thing thats true for all marvel/dc martial artists nearly, they have whatever power the plot requires.

Basically, I'm of the belief that barring a few outliers, ranma gets stomped.

 

[leeyiankun]

I gave up trying to rationalize Comics a long time ago. The power levels are basically plot gimmicks and that can easily changed with new writers.

It was the 9/11 event tie-ins that convinced me that there's no hope to make head or tails of it. You see, in a world where you have Villains who wreck havoc on the world on a daily basis. How can you see 9/11 as significant?

You can't. And they still make the civies travel in old tech cars/trains and props the cops with stupid pea shooter pistols that will do them no good when a super-villain comes along.

I can go on and on about the flaws in those two major comic-verse, but they're too numerous to count.

Heck, can you even imagine living in a comic world? You can't even diss a guy w/o hesitating that he might have powers to blow off your head!