Ranma ½ Ranma vs DC and Marvel martial artists

[Ordo]

Looking back on it, you all forgot a fighter to compare Ranma too...Karnak of the Inhumans.

If it's the version of Karnak from the series "The Flaw in all Things" Ranma looses, and badly. If anything it might be worth tossing Ranma into Karnak's care just for the brutal lesson in humility.

In fact that MIGHT make for an interesting story. Karnak comes to Nerima to collect on a debt Genma owes him, one earned during Satomes training journey with Ranma. Genma (Being Genma) offers Ranma to take his place and Karnak agrees, promising to return the teen in six months. When Ranma returns he has been BADLY impacted by his time with Karnak. His world view, sense of self and self worth and all he believed and held dear have been brutally shaken. Oh he's a better fighter, but the price has left him nearly shattered (spiritually/emotionally), and trying to rebuild himself.

However this isn't a dark fic....but a kind of reconstruction. Karnak deconstructs things, but, like in fiction (at least so I believe) a deconstruction should lead to a reconstruction. If you look in the mirror and don't like what you see, then it's time to start making some changes until what you see in the mirror is someone you can live with or even be proud of in the end. Ranma is going through that process, and its a slow one, where he'll make mistakes and find other people trying to influence him or take advantage...but not necessarily in the way you might think.

Cologne might find herself in a bit of a bind, yes Ranma has become an even more capable fighter, but she KNOWS the kind of havoc Karnak's teaching can wreck in a society like her own and she's no longer sure that bringing Ranma back would be good for the village. Nabiki sees a chance to mold Ranma into the kind of man she'd want while Akane is not sure if the man she lo-tolerated is still in there. Plenty of options IMHO.

 

[Innortal]

Looking back on it, you all forgot a fighter to compare Ranma too...Karnak of the Inhumans.

If it's the version of Karnak from the series "The Flaw in all Things" Ranma looses, and badly. If anything it might be worth tossing Ranma into Karnak's care just for the brutal lesson in humility.

In fact that MIGHT make for an interesting story. Karnak comes to Nerima to collect on a debt Genma owes him, one earned during Satomes training journey with Ranma. Genma (Being Genma) offers Ranma to take his place and Karnak agrees, promising to return the teen in six months. When Ranma returns he has been BADLY impacted by his time with Karnak. His world view, sense of self and self worth and all he believed and held dear have been brutally shaken. Oh he's a better fighter, but the price has left him nearly shattered (spiritually/emotionally), and trying to rebuild himself.

However this isn't a dark fic....but a kind of reconstruction. Karnak deconstructs things, but, like in fiction (at least so I believe) a deconstruction should lead to a reconstruction. If you look in the mirror and don't like what you see, then it's time to start making some changes until what you see in the mirror is someone you can live with or even be proud of in the end. Ranma is going through that process, and its a slow one, where he'll make mistakes and find other people trying to influence him or take advantage...but not necessarily in the way you might think.

Cologne might find herself in a bit of a bind, yes Ranma has become an even more capable fighter, but she KNOWS the kind of havoc Karnak's teaching can wreck in a society like her own and she's no longer sure that bringing Ranma back would be good for the village. Nabiki sees a chance to mold Ranma into the kind of man she'd want while Akane is not sure if the man she lo-tolerated is still in there. Plenty of options IMHO.

Could even have Ranma--if transported into Marvel--land with the Inhumans. Checking him over, his DNA reads as human, but given his abilities, they know that simply cannot be true. They would also learn aside from the magic in his curse, he is also neither Inhuman nor mutant.

So what is he then? A new evolution of humanity that has not yet appeared, a response to Inhuman and mutant presence? Is there more of him? Is he the newest alien McGuffin to land on Earth?

Thus, trying to keep him hidden, just exposes him all the quicker, and we have the newest race to capture and get the secrets of the pigtailed traveler.

Karnak scratched his head as he stared at the ... being the medical staff was working on. He could see the flaws of anything he gazed upon.

So why was he seeing cats when he stared at the teen? And if he had to guess at the second flaw, it was ... common sense?

"Perhaps it has to do with his strange abilities," the Inhuman muttered. Maybe they were ... disguising his flaws?

 

[Innortal]

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10928558/1/Homo-Superior

I think they did a good job with power balance.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Could even have Ranma--if transported into Marvel--land with the Inhumans. Checking him over, his DNA reads as human, but given his abilities, they know that simply cannot be true. They would also learn aside from the magic in his curse, he is also neither Inhuman nor mutant.

Chi-empowered martial artists are very much a thing in the Marvel Universe. Even weird chi things like controlling a swarm of spiders with chi.

 

[Innortal]

Could even have Ranma--if transported into Marvel--land with the Inhumans. Checking him over, his DNA reads as human, but given his abilities, they know that simply cannot be true. They would also learn aside from the magic in his curse, he is also neither Inhuman nor mutant.

Chi-empowered martial artists are very much a thing in the Marvel Universe. Even weird chi things like controlling a swarm of spiders with chi.

Yes, but do the Inhumans know how to scan and categorize such? How would they view someone like Iron Fist in their life? Can they scan for chi? Would Iron Fist read as an enhanced human, mutant, Inhuman, or something else? They are after all, a very techy people. How do they even view magic?

 

[TC_Hazard]

Yes, but do the Inhumans know how to scan and categorize such? How would they view someone like Iron Fist in their life? Can they scan for chi? Would Iron Fist read as an enhanced human, mutant, Inhuman, or something else? They are after all, a very techy people. How do they even view magic?

Eh, there have been too many team-ups for them not to know about these things. Like, Black Bolt is even pals with Strange and everything. Plus, nothing Ranma does is inherently more out there than Karnak's 'I can hum the exact note that makes heads explode because weak point', and Karnak doesn't even have Inhuman powers. He just trained really hard.

 

[Altered Nova]

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of Ranma wanking in this thread. Ranma might be considered strange and impressive in the DC universe where supernatural martial arts aren't really a thing (I'm pretty sure Batman is one of if not the best martial artist in that world and he obviously can't punch through boulders or shoot energy blasts from his hands) but the Marvel universe is full of people who gained superhuman abilities purely through "mundane" physical and spiritual training. He's wouldn't be weird at all in the Marvel universe, nor would he be considered especially powerful.

I'd put Ranma at high end of the street level superhero scale. I think he could give Spiderman a decent run for his money but would probably still lose. Spiderman is stronger and his spider-sense is superior to Ranma's sixth sense, but I think Ranma's martial arts skills are a bit better and while their overall agility is probably pretty close, Ranma's got better arm speed thanks to the Amaguriken so he should be able to land some punches despite Peter's agility and spider-sense.

 

[shioran toushin]

Martial arts in DC... well batman is skilled, sure, but not the est or near the top 20 best martial artists in DC, not even in his own times (because the ones in Legion of Superheroes are truly OP, not Marvel Levels of OP, but near there).
and Spidey vs Ranme is nowhere near a fair comparsion.
for pure skill and variety? yes Ranma Wins hands down because anime/manga universes are bizzare enough that there are styles based on things like construction and tea ceremony, while Spidey gets less bizzare ones that are no less dangerous.
'stats' wise? Spidey wins, no doubts, discounting the Strenght factor that is all over the field (because, like most things in comics varies with the arc, writer and drawings) he still has the Spider sense that borders on being ESP precog and the base enhancements that come with it (strenght, dex, agi, constitution, flexibility, etc.) not to mention he also is very resistant to changes in pressure and has fought foes more skilled and trickier than Ranma is.
Overall? Spidey Wins hands down if he doesn't treat it like a joke or handicaps himself, or because plot demanded it.

IMHO i would put him around if not a lottle above the likes of DD and Elektra and below (not sure how much below) the likes of SHang Chi and Iron Fist.
as for DC? around the level of Deathstroke, Ra's Ghul, Bane and Cassandra Cain.

special enough to be considered 'super' but not enough to tangle with the likes of the real Powers of either universe... at least until he gets an upgrade be it from external sources (gadgets, external sources of power, mutation, etc.) or internal ones AKA he learns to fight 'smarter', because if i'm to believe that the Bat Family can tangle with the Supers being just unenhanced normal Humans with a lot of determination *and money* because they fight Smarter not harder then Ranma could too, heck his base stats are already better than Bruce's (minus INT).

 

[Innortal]

For Ranma vs Spidey, I think it would come down to Spider-sense vs Ranma's speed. If Spidey's reaction time is even slightly better, he can win. If they are about even, then it would go to terms of stamina.

In both multiverses, the biggest problem for Ranma would be taking the fight seriously from the beginning. He tends to downplay things unless he's interested. The main proof of that being that he doesn't go for one-shot finishes, and seems more interested in a long spar than a quick 1-shot victory.

In the comic universes, that could be the difference between going home or having to wait for you to be resurrected for some reason.

Dc is a bit harder to gauge, as the only real stats we have is from the Batman: TAS, where Clock King literally tells us how long it takes for Batman to throw a punch or kick, and then avoids them.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Ranma might be considered strange and impressive in the DC universe where supernatural martial arts aren't really a thing (I'm pretty sure Batman is one of if not the best martial artist in that world and he obviously can't punch through boulders or shoot energy blasts from his hands).

This is true for the most part but Karate Kid can throw people into other solar systems because skill so that's a thing.

Honestly, DC martial arts are largely grounded because Batman is a thing. If chi blasts were something high-tier martial artists could use, Batman would have to be able to do them what with him being what he is. He's supposed to be one of the top martial artists (though not as good as Shiva or Cas and some others) after all. But he can't because Batman is not supposed to have powers and all that jazz, so no one can.

 

[fitzgerald]

In both multiverses, the biggest problem for Ranma would be taking the fight seriously from the beginning. He tends to downplay things unless he's interested.

Part of the serious attitude problem is that for almost all of Ranmas fights theres nobody elses life on the line.

In a crossover this makes it a real obvious dramtic moment to focus on. A helpful mentor or waifu gets killed by a mook Ranma was playing around with.

On the otherhand Ranma would fit right in a more Batman the Brave and the Bold verse. He'd make a great antagonist whose seeking mystical artifacts out but is willing to stepin against really villianous schemes

 

[shioran toushin]

nah, the real 'problem' with Ranma making the fights last longer is because he was taught to learn that way, and against anyone not capable of one shooting him, it would work to Ranam's favor if it's a villian he is fighting because that gives the Supers (with capital S) or the proper authorities capable of dealing with the threat time to arrive on scene.

but him being the equivalent of Catwoman to mystical artifacts (because X, maybe to cure his curse or come to his home reality or because something Genma did) would be hilarious if done right.
e.g.
he steals X artifact, fights some heroes, finds out that the artifact doesn't work as advertised and throws it out, the league either believe him a genius or insane (and as they are used to deal with either the Criminally Insane and Criminal Masterminds they think Ranma is either on one side or both) instead of being... a Marial Arts-Romcom-Comedy Protagonist.

 

[Innortal]

In both multiverses, the biggest problem for Ranma would be taking the fight seriously from the beginning. He tends to downplay things unless he's interested.

Part of the serious attitude problem is that for almost all of Ranmas fights theres nobody elses life on the line.

In a crossover this makes it a real obvious dramtic moment to focus on. A helpful mentor or waifu gets killed by a mook Ranma was playing around with.

On the otherhand Ranma would fit right in a more Batman the Brave and the Bold verse. He'd make a great antagonist whose seeking mystical artifacts out but is willing to stepin against really villianous schemes

It is more likely to be Ranma getting seriously hurt, in a way that isn't a full body cast that disappears before the next episode or the series equivalent. Innocent bystanders nearly being killed might work, but he's likely to play it off saying he knew Hero-X was there to get them, so why worry.

 

[shioran toushin]

also, remember that in his first fight with Ryouga one of the lost-boy's bandannas nearly killed Akane and Mousse fires a lot of things willy nilly.
it's purely because it's a Martial Arts Romcom that it doesn't escalate to serious injuries (even the type that dissapears from one chapter to another) or casualities.
want a serious Ranma? make him fuck it up, make him being the cause of the accident, make him feel guilty and look how far he would go.