Ranma ½ Ranma vs DC and Marvel martial artists

[GenocideHeart]

I gave up trying to rationalize Comics a long time ago. The power levels are basically plot gimmicks and that can easily changed with new writers.

It was the 9/11 event tie-ins that convinced me that there's no hope to make head or tails of it. You see, in a world where you have Villains who wreck havoc on the world on a daily basis. How can you see 9/11 as significant?

You can't. And they still make the civies travel in old tech cars/trains and props the cops with stupid pea shooter pistols that will do them no good when a super-villain comes along.

I can go on and on about the flaws in those two major comic-verse, but they're too numerous to count.

Heck, can you even imagine living in a comic world? You can't even diss a guy w/o hesitating that he might have powers to blow off your head!

The thing is that cops ARE NOT supposed to engage supervillains. Captain America even explicitly tells the chief of police as much in several instances. Any policeman coming across a supercriminal is supposed to place an emergency call at either SHIELD, the F4 or the Avengers, and they are meant to evacuate the civilians in the meanwhile, not do stupid shit like trying to be heroes and shoot at Titanium man with a 9mm Beretta or something equally ineffective.

If anything what is questionable is the sheer number of cops that IGNORE the clear rule they have been given.

 

[leeyiankun]

With all the illegal tech in the black market? How can you even justify that stance anymore? Why not just scrap the police & hand over the control to Shield and be done with it?

Heck, when you think about it, how the DC/Marvel fire department fighting fire with old fashion gear beggars belief.

 

[evilplushie]

I can see not shooting at titanium man or venom or carnage with their normal guns, but I can't understand why they don't just shoot at other supervillains. Like Doc Ock; he's not bullet proof. Or vulture, or Kraven, or a lot of spider-mans usual villains. Or anybody who fights Daredevil...

 

[Anonguy]

>Dumbledork writing a thing

No

>this thread in general

No

 

[The Ero-Sennin]

Dumbledork. Why don't you just write whatever? It's not like it matters, people will love whatever you post regardless of content.

 

[Dumbledork]

lol

 

[GenocideHeart]

With all the illegal tech in the black market? How can you even justify that stance anymore? Why not just scrap the police & hand over the control to Shield and be done with it?

Heck, when you think about it, how the DC/Marvel fire department fighting fire with old fashion gear beggars belief.

Oh, they did hand control over to SHIELD... right when Maria Hill was the boss, and we all know how well THAT ended. Granted, it was rotten timing, but that's why they don't - you never know when whoever runs SHIELD will do a face heel turn, and having them BE the police when they do makes things worse.

 

[Innortal]

Yeah, I know. I'm open to suggestions. There are not many possibiltities to get Ranma to go to America without the other idiots following.

Another idea I had to get him to leave was a merger of the different dimensions and timelines (happens all the time in the DCverse after all). Ranma doesn't officially exist in the new timeline and will be the only one to remember the original timeline. The rest of the cast will lead very differentl lives (and it could be amusing to detail those changes) Weirded out by the fact that no one recognizes him and since he's pretty much a ronin now he decides to leave for the states to start a new life.

Other than that there's the old dimensional portal or summoning or magical mishap.

It's pretty much impossible to find a method that hasn't been done to death.

Considering the recent resets/additions to both those universes, you could simply have Ranma fall through a crack into them, with one of their respective teams going to Japan to investigate--either the crack or Ranma's recent actions.

Introductions would likely include Ranma being launched at them and face-planting into a female hero's cleavage.

 

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

Once you account for special maneuvers Ranma is more towards to Superman scale of power then your more traditional martial arts hero (Saffron's power up ritual uses wording evocative of someone ascending to godhood)

And that's not accounting for how many times he's had to fight off Akane's cooking. :snigger:

For Karate Kid, a very quick Wiki check shows that he has something like a much watered down Breaking Point, so Ranma's ahead of him on at least that.

 

[da_fox2279]

Once you account for special maneuvers Ranma is more towards to Superman scale of power then your more traditional martial arts hero (Saffron's power up ritual uses wording evocative of someone ascending to godhood)

Yeah, NO. Ranma is very tough compared to most baseline humans, but nowhere near Supe's level. I'm not very familiar with modern DC superheroes, but come on. There's overpowered, then there's SUPERMAN-level of overpowered.

Ranma could probably go toe to toe with Black Canary, the Bat-Clan (at least at first, before they start pulling out the Bat-Tools), and maybe some low- to medium-level metas. Personally, I'd like to see him go up against people like Captain Boomarang II (Owen Mercer). People who have some meta ability, but not 'insta-kill' heights of power. Plus, I think Owen would present a nice challenge to Ranma; something to give him a taste of kind of shit he'd be facing, should he get into trouble (and given this is Ranma, it's only a matter of time.)

For Karate Kid, a very quick Wiki check shows that he has something like a much watered down Breaking Point, so Ranma's ahead of him on at least that.

Not very familiar with that character, so can't comment on that. But it would be interesting to see if KK would take the opportunity to pull a Ranma; that is, incorporate some of Ranma's style into his own. Or just branch out into different martial art styles.

 

[gemmaethanwhitaker]

While Ranma could probably defeat Supes if he knew before hand and planned things, no he's not at that power level, but I never said that, just that he's closer to Supes level then Batman

 

[shioran toushin]

Karate Kid, from the future Has mastered EVERY single form of Martial arts and can go toe to toe with Superman/boy and was only killed becuse the other dude had one of the cheapest power sets ever AKA the everything you can do i can do too and was willing to kill him.
so no, even if Ranma in canon han lift from several hundred Kilos to tons (depending on whatever you consider the 'comic' moments a part of his actual feats or just exaggerations made to fit the 'comedy' aspect of the series) and can move beyond the ability of normal eyes to track (especially his fists and legs), and can use a very very mild (at least for other examples of it in DC/Marvel) form of energy manipulation, he can't stand up to KK.
and frankly unless the bat clan has cheap as fuck anti-ranma gadgets because Money is apparently their superpower, they would loose, OTOH they seem to have some sort of gadget or prototype for 'everything the plot needs' thanks to Wayne industries, because remember that unlike Lex Freaking Luthor, Cyborg, most of the DC villians and some Heroes like those that come from a science background and almost everyone in Marvel, Bruce Wayne and the rest of the Bat Clan (with the possible exeption of cassandra cain and oracle) are not scientific and engeneering Geniuses capable of speontaneously create and build new tech at the drop of a hat, they are smart, but not that kind of smart or knowledgeable.

and no, unless Supes was completely depowered Ranma Saotome can't beat Superman (but Ranma is surely more skilled than Supes) unless he uses both Kryptonite and Mgic and then it's a long IF
frankly he could beat most if not all of the heroes and villians that are not internally empowered, but i put his 'threat level' (which may be bullshit, but at least it's something) between an atlantean (Aquaman) and Themiscyran Amazon.
and i may be exaggerating Ranma's threat level.

 

[Innortal]

For KK, I can see him wanting to challenge Ranma--who knows how exaggerated Ranma's legend would be, considering how it was for Superman.

Knowing his luck, it won't be good for Ranma.

For their fight, it also depends on how strong their hits are when they impact, and how quickly KK can find and attack Ranma's weak point. But given their views of fighting, I can see it taking a while, only because both would enjoy their spars.

For Superman, Ranma wouldn't win. At best, he'd be in the low range, and if his hits do register a reaction from Superman, it might simply be because he wasn't expecting a human to hit that hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zFsxSH8fUA

Superman cuts loose.

If something were hampering Superman, Ranma's got a chance. But even Lex using his suit, usually needs kryptonite to level the playing field.

On the bright side--not for Ranma though, Supergirl, Power Girl, and the like will chase after him. Ranma is tougher than the average human, a good guy, and not likely to be killed if their control slips for a moment.

But in the short, Ranma would view Superman as the ultimate challenge, and won't rest until he finds a way to strengthen himself to fight him at his best.

 

[Innortal]

“What do you want?” Lex Luthor asked, spotting his alien nemesis floating outside his office.

Leaning down, Superman pulled up a pigtailed teen. “Please inform him that I am an alien powered by the yellow sun of Earth, and NOT a martial artist with a ton of skills that is holding out on him.”

Lex blinked, considered what he had heard, and smiled. “Kid, he’s lying, no one is a better martial artist than him.

“That’s why they call him, ‘Superman’.”

“I KNEW IT!” Ranma yelled, as the Kryptonian’s eye twitched.

Smiling still, Lex returned to his office and sat down, humming a tune. “Ah, so that is what a perfect moment feels like…

“Mercy?” he asked, activating the intercom. “Can you get that interchange between me and our uninvited guests from the security feeds; put them on the internet?”

Shutting off the intercom when he heard her reply, he leaned back in his chair, and contemplated … how could he keep this going, since it was obvious that it really, REALLY annoyed the alien.

 

[Innortal]

Marvel-wise...

He would be stronger than Captain America, I would go about Asgard range, possibly make Spider-man a bit jealous with his acrobatics.

 

[fitzgerald]

Honestly Spiderman is a good frame of reference for Ranma ~ also one of the inspirations for his character iirc.

Speaking of DC. ...

I had a thought of Dr Light (female) hiring Ranma as her main babysitter.

Hes the only one who can handle ninja, robots and invading aliens without getting crushed by events, which is a godsend for a single mother doctor / superhero.

Kimoyo does her best to keep the JL away from Ranma - for purely practical reasons - she migjt have set her eyes on Soun tjough

 

[shioran toushin]

true, but i'm not messing with the mess that is Marvel, because their feats and power levels are such a mess even on a single continuity (not to mention the multiple continuities) OTOH i think he would give most if not all of the characters of the MCU a good run for their money even if he just can't beat a lot of them (Hulk, Thanos and the like).
and really someone should give DCAU (and comic version) o Superman Martial training or at least making him learn that as a freaking powerful individual the least he could do against other simmilar powered individuals is to juggle them in the air instead of punching them through Buildings (that may have living people inside) or destroying public infrastructure thanks to punching them to the ground because that transfers most of the energy against the planet.
also i cmae to the conclusion that the Flash is freaking OP and he should not loose ever... freaking infinite mass punch and time sheananigans.

 

[Ordo]

It occurs to me that after spending some time in Metropolis, Ranma might come to the conclusion that being a 'Superhero' is fantastic training that allows you to protect people. It forces him to adapt to the wildly different tactics and abilities, think outside the norms he's used to and help people who need some assistance.

As for Spider-man, I should point out that in current continuity Peter is a trained fighter (The way of the Web or some such) and is thus much more effective than he had been in the past in a throwdown.

 

[shioran toushin]

not in the MCU which is the marvel's cinematic universe in which Spiderman is more like Spiderboy as of the homecoming movie.
comic spiderman is on a whole other level (and spider sense and insctinct is what makes him a very capable and competent fighter even when he had no fighting experience or knowledge, plus spider physical enhancements).

 

[Innortal]

"And you will help me achieve the desired grandbabies," Nodoka said.

Nathaniel Essex, otherwise known as Mr. Sinister, smirked. "Of course, Mrs. Saotome, I will--and you're already dancing about and ignoring me," he said.

Damn it! He worked hard! He deserved to be the one who was the dram queen here!!!

 

[Ordo]

So is this before or after Ranma is born?

 

[Innortal]

So is this before or after Ranma is born?

After, the joke was Sinister had heard about Ranma's fights with Saffron and Herb. So he'd want to use Ranma's DNA for future experiments.

And it just might be humorous if he did it above board.

 

[Contrabardus]

This thread is vastly overestimating Ranma. He's powerful by his own world's scale, but nothing in the grand scheme of things in either Marvel or DC's playgrounds.

He'd be Iron Fist with a slightly better move set. [Actual Danny Rand, not unfunny immature whiny bitch boy Netflix Danny Rand.]

I doubt Sinister would show much interest in him to be honest. Especially if he knew the true nature of his victories, and it's likely he would. He might show some interest in him as an exceptional baseline pure human specimen to build off of, but I doubt it would be more than a mild interest.

Ranma would be essentially comic relief for a team and capable enough to be useful, but no way he's doing much on his own outside of street level superhero stuff like Daredevil and Luke Cage. He could probably take both one on one, but it would be a hard fight for him either way. Luke in particular as he's similar to Ryoga, but tougher.

Jessica Jones would manhandle him, that would make for a fun scene actually.

He's not going to match Spider-man's strength, agility, or maneuverability. He's shown struggling lifting loads Peter could lift with one hand. Batman would make him his bitch without superpowers, and he'd get stomped by most super heroes and villains in either Universe.

Yeah, he blew off the top of a mountain, but he didn't use his own power for that either. He turned both of his most powerful opponents own power against them using a very specific weakness that took advantage of the nature of his signature attack and the type of power they were using against him.

He's a smart fighter and could definitely deal with the likes of low tier heroes, villains, and less powerful mutants, but that's about it.

At the end of the day, he's still just a well trained human. He's a young teenager with limited experience comparatively speaking, Batman would flat out destroy him, and Iron Fist could probably give him an even match. [Again, the real Iron Fist.]

Also, Superman is a martial artist. Lex wouldn't be lying as he would know this, which makes that scene above that much better. He's trained as a boxer, and with Batman, and has mentioned he's studied under other martial artists as well.

In fact, having Ranma realize his place in a world of Gods and Monsters and learning to deal with being on the level he would be at would actually make for a more interesting story.

 

[Innortal]

This thread is vastly overestimating Ranma. He's powerful by his own world's scale, but nothing in the grand scheme of things in either Marvel or DC's playgrounds.

He'd be Iron Fist with a slightly better move set. [Actual Danny Rand, not unfunny immature whiny bitch boy Netflix Danny Rand.]

I doubt Sinister would show much interest in him to be honest. Especially if he knew the true nature of his victories, and it's likely he would. He might show some interest in him as an exceptional baseline pure human specimen to build off of, but I doubt it would be more than a mild interest.

Ranma would be essentially comic relief for a team and capable enough to be useful, but no way he's doing much on his own outside of street level superhero stuff like Daredevil and Luke Cage. He could probably take both one on one, but it would be a hard fight for him either way. Luke in particular as he's similar to Ryoga, but tougher.

Jessica Jones would manhandle him, that would make for a fun scene actually.

He's not going to match Spider-man's strength, agility, or maneuverability. He's shown struggling lifting loads Peter could lift with one hand. Batman would make him his bitch without superpowers, and he'd get stomped by most super heroes and villains in either Universe.

Yeah, he blew off the top of a mountain, but he didn't use his own power for that either. He turned both of his most powerful opponents own power against them using a very specific weakness that took advantage of the nature of his signature attack and the type of power they were using against him.

He's a smart fighter and could definitely deal with the likes of low tier heroes, villains, and less powerful mutants, but that's about it.

At the end of the day, he's still just a well trained human. He's a young teenager with limited experience comparatively speaking, Batman would flat out destroy him, and Iron Fist could probably give him an even match. [Again, the real Iron Fist.]

Also, Superman is a martial artist. Lex wouldn't be lying as he would know this, which makes that scene above that much better. He's trained as a boxer, and with Batman, and has mentioned he's studied under other martial artists as well.

In fact, having Ranma realize his place in a world of Gods and Monsters and learning to deal with being on the level he would be at would actually make for a more interesting story.

It's been a while, but Ranma has shown extreme strength as well. He's made a large block on rock hop--when he was in it. Thrown multi-ton boulders at Saffron. Broken through the ground in the first movie to actually cause a geyser. And that doesn't take into account the power needed to punt people into LEO.

The problem is turning anime-physics into what is used for either universe. He is at least Bane/Power-Man level strength naturally.

But you are right that Ranma will be in for a shock when faced with beings like Hulks or Kryptonians, the former of which will be better to fight with Ranma's style of using their strengths against them, as the latter could simply fly out of a Hiryu Shoten Ha.

I think the best example was the Justice League movie, Hal Jordan trying to take on Darkseid and how that ended.

 

[Contrabardus]

It's been a while, but Ranma has shown extreme strength as well. He's made a large block on rock hop--when he was in it. Thrown multi-ton boulders at Saffron. Broken through the ground in the first movie to actually cause a geyser. And that doesn't take into account the power needed to punt people into LEO.

The problem is turning anime-physics into what is used for either universe. He is at least Bane/Power-Man level strength naturally.

But you are right that Ranma will be in for a shock when faced with beings like Hulks or Kryptonians, the former of which will be better to fight with Ranma's style of using their strengths against them, as the latter could simply fly out of a Hiryu Shoten Ha.

I think the best example was the Justice League movie, Hal Jordan trying to take on Darkseid and how that ended.

Eh, he's a gag character, but a relatively low level one in gag physics standards. It's important to separate the actual action scenes from physical gags.

LEO is an exaggeration even by gag standards. Characters get punted away and the visual implies they get sent farther off than they really do. They usually land somewhere nearby, within a block or two.

The rocks he throws in the battle with Saffron aren't that large. A few hundred pounds maybe. Definitely far less than a ton. They are smaller than he is. He's also getting help from the force of the wind in the battle. Ryoga tosses more stones in with them and they are thrown about by the wind.

Ranma excels at using the environment against his opponents. He also had a magic weapon in that fight which helped protect him from Saffron's energy and helped fuel his own attacks.

He is super humanly strong, fast, and tough by Marvel standards, but less so than Spider-Man or Luke Cage. Spider-Man and Luke Cage are the top tier of street level heroes. Ranma could hang with them as an ally, but probably couldn't beat Spider-Man.

Ranma would have a hard time beating Daredevil. He could probably take Luke Cage due to being used to dealing with that kind of opponent and training specifically for that kind of fight thanks to Ryoga.

I still say he'd basically be around the level of Iron Fist in Marvel terms at best. Not necessarily exactly even with him, but right around that tier of power.