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H-Man

Random phantom.
It's ironic because it's mostly the last few episodes that got people to complain like this.

Not saying you're wrong in keeping the opinion, just that since you didn't see the 'problem' parts, it's not like you can even say you disagree on that.
 
This negative response seems sudden; anyway, I liked it. I liked it very much and would love to see it continued all the way through to the Stars Arc.

Yes, doing 13 episodes per arc did rush some things and I would have liked for them to add a few more episodes for better pacing but other that, I've no problems with any of this series.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
Really? 65 episodes, total? Wow... I can understand wanting to avoid the crappy filler from the original anime adaptation, but I would have thought they'd stretch it out a little more.

Like, 20 eps per season / arc. Ah well, I'll wait for the official English release to watch...
 

ragnarok1337

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So I was watching a review of Sailor Moon Crystal, and I thought back to how I have never actually read or watched Sailor Moon before, and all I know about it I got from some crossover fanfics. Subsequently, I didn't get past two episodes. Now I have watched several magical girl anime and enjoyed them enough to keep watching, so why was it that I didn't care for the anime, when it is the codifier for all subsequent magical girl anime?

Well, I think that's the problem. It's the codifier for most magical girl anime/tropes. It does each perfectly well, but doesn't go too far beyond that. It laid the foundation, but other shows have built upon it. It's not a bad show by any means, just others are better because they have built upon that foundation and refined it. It's like watching a movie like Citizen Kane. The movie itself is rather dull in my opinion, but it introduced a lot of film techniques that are used to this day. It's not a bad movie, but other films have built off the foundation and have done them better.
 

fitzgerald

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ragnarok1337 said:
So I was watching a review of Sailor Moon Crystal, and I thought back to how I have never actually read or watched Sailor Moon before, and all I know about it I got from some crossover fanfics. Subsequently, I didn't get past two episodes. Now I have watched several magical girl anime and enjoyed them enough to keep watching, so why was it that I didn't care for the anime, when it is the codifier for all subsequent magical girl anime?

Well, I think that's the problem. It's the codifier for most magical girl anime/tropes. It does each perfectly well, but doesn't go too far beyond that. It laid the foundation, but other shows have built upon it. It's not a bad show by any means, just others are better because they have built upon that foundation and refined it. It's like watching a movie like Citizen Kane. The movie itself is rather dull in my opinion, but it introduced a lot of film techniques that are used to this day. It's not a bad movie, but other films have built off the foundation and have done them better.
So my initial response to you is a question:

Do you enjoy and watch Shoujo anime?

Sailor Moon is very much a late 80's- early 90s Shoujo series, which means its aiming for an entirely different story telling space than say Magical Lyrical Girl Nanoha.  

I'll quite concede BSSM Crystal does not have spectacular fight scenes compared to other Magical Girl series,  but don't concede that this makes it "worse".    Instead I  argue that BSSM Crystal puts its efforts into the Shoujo elements using the Sentai fighting to heighten the drama.
 

ragnarok1337

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fitzgerald said:
ragnarok1337 said:
So I was watching a review of Sailor Moon Crystal, and I thought back to how I have never actually read or watched Sailor Moon before, and all I know about it I got from some crossover fanfics. Subsequently, I didn't get past two episodes. Now I have watched several magical girl anime and enjoyed them enough to keep watching, so why was it that I didn't care for the anime, when it is the codifier for all subsequent magical girl anime?

Well, I think that's the problem. It's the codifier for most magical girl anime/tropes. It does each perfectly well, but doesn't go too far beyond that. It laid the foundation, but other shows have built upon it. It's not a bad show by any means, just others are better because they have built upon that foundation and refined it. It's like watching a movie like Citizen Kane. The movie itself is rather dull in my opinion, but it introduced a lot of film techniques that are used to this day. It's not a bad movie, but other films have built off the foundation and have done them better.
So my initial response to you is a question:

Do you enjoy and watch Shoujo anime?

Sailor Moon is very much a late 80's- early 90s Shoujo series, which means its aiming for an entirely different story telling space than say Magical Lyrical Girl Nanoha.  

I'll quite concede BSSM Crystal does not have spectacular fight scenes compared to other Magical Girl series,  but don't concede that this makes it "worse".    Instead I  argue that BSSM Crystal puts its efforts into the Shoujo elements using the Sentai fighting to heighten the drama.
Well, I've also heard a lot of people say that the original anime adaption was superior to Crystal.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
In general. It admittedly created some hate-worthy clichés and stereotypes [Chibi-Usa being annoying and evil Crystal Tokyo and Pluto], but it allows for character development because of its stretched time, even if it brought forth filler. Also, last I checked, people liked the relationship between Zoi/Malachkunzite.

It wasn't perfect, but it also at least tried to make the characters act more like friends and less like Usagi's minion squad.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
So the trailer for season 3 came out and everyone likes it. Then some people say it's because it looks like Pretty Cure now.

Seeing as how I haven't seen Pretty Cure, can anyone comment on that? Here's the trailer.

[video=youtube]https://youtu.be/7z5EKYcjOVM[/video]
 

Yorae Rasante

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I used to watch Sailor Moon when I was small... I think the timeline on the extinct channel TV Manchete was Sailor Moon -> Saint Seiya -> Yuyu Hakusho?
Been thinking on rewatching it. Is this one just an improved remake or is it more faithful to the manga?
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
I remember Saint Seiya coming first, to be honest, but it's probably that. Gotta check JBox. [SS came out in 1994, SM in 1996.]

This one is somewhat faithful to the mangá, for better or worse. The first two seasons were stuck with a 1:1 adaptation, which unfortunately did not account for how long events had to play out, and it added a hasty Shitenoh/Senshi subplot that existed mostly to diminish their agency. Also Venus doesn't get to use a sord. Also it was kind of ugly in too many ways and not fixed enough for the disk release.

Also, too much emphasis on the 'mirakuru lomansu' and not enough on the girls being friends. It even makes the Chibi-Usa thing grosser by making Usagi take her too seriously.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
Disregard. Wrong thread.
 

seitora

Well-Known Member
da_fox2279 said:
Really? 65 episodes, total? Wow... I can understand wanting to avoid the crappy filler from the original anime adaptation, but I would have thought they'd stretch it out a little more.

Like, 20 eps per season / arc. Ah well, I'll wait for the official English release to watch...

This is replying to a relatively old post, but the actual Sailor Moon manga only had 52 acts + 16 more for Codename Sailor V. It was a monthly manga which is why there was so much filler in the original TV show since it aired once a week instead, but even as a monthly release the acts weren't especially much larger than weekly releases.

I would guess part of the issue is that Sailor Moon as a manga in the earlier series honestly ran at a pretty brisk pace (I would argue it got bloated in parts of the Black Moon and Infinity arc), but the problem is that a large number of chapters NEEDS to be its own seperate episode instead of being able to combine two or three chapters into one episode, as bigger, longer-running manga like Naruto or One Piece do and use filler arcs to run out time later on.
 

seitora

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Also, here's hoping we finally get our canonical Hotaru transformation sequence!
 
What that supposed to mean? I know she got one in the old one, as she simply not had one yet in the new one?
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
Yeah, I'm kinda confused as well. Hotaru did have a transformation sequence in Stars, didn't she?
 

seitora

Well-Known Member
No she didn't. Anything you see on Youtube is either from a JP-only Sega Saturn game (and it's a few seconds long, nowhere near as elaborate as the full transformation sequences shown on the show) or fan-made
 

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
I just noticed a short while ago on Anime News Network they are stating the last episode of the new Sailor Moon Stars will be TV-MA.


Sailor Moon Sailor Stars' Final Episode Gets TV-MA Rating
- http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2016-04-11/sailor-moon-sailor-stars-final-episode-gets-tv-ma-rating/.100945

The final episode of Sailor Moon Sailor Stars debuted with English subtitles on Hulu on Monday with a TV-MA rating. All previous episodes in the series have been rated TV-PG.

Sailor Moon Crystal's English-subtitled version was also rated TV-PG for the first two seasons, but the currently-airing third season has a TV-14 rating. The English-dubbed version of Sailor Moon Crystal has a TV-14 rating.

Thanks to Koriander Bullard for the news tip.
 
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