Sailor Moon Pet Peeves

ragnarok1337

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Whether that is true or not, there's still the issue of Pluto having seen it coming AND NOT WARNING THEM. Also, the rest of the scouts supposedly saw it coming(if later than Pluto), yet didn't safeguard anything more than Pluto. They didn't even try to warn anyone else. And before you say "the people wouldn't believe her"...first of all she could find some proof rather easily. Maybe show off their magic in front of everyone, have news crews filming the next bad guy attack so it would get televised worldwide...they could have at least made a token effort to warn them, even if it did fuck-all.

Whatever manga canon might be, Anime Usagi, Pluto and by association the rest of the senshi(inners at least) come off as incompetent at best. Evil even worse.
 
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The future inners and moon we see in R Are not the same people as the inners and moon we see post series. Those people never time travelled. You can't blame them. Those people didn't have knowledge of the calamity or the outers or the upgrades. The future constantly compensates for every new thing that happens in the present. It erased the Black moon away. We have no idea whAt the present senshi will do when it comes to CT.
 
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Petpeeve: Usagi, not relying on physical attacks in either the anime or manga. In the anime she was repeatedly one of the most physical of the senshi when it came to fighting a youma. The moment a monster appeared and her attack didn't work, her first instinct would be try hitting it. The only ones I can think of being more physical then her is Michiru, Makoto and Haruka who were all trained in martial arts.
 

KageX

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Pet Peeve: Crossovers where the Senshi are automatically portrayed as idiots who get in the way of the real heroes, or seen as outright villains due to their reliance on "order" and hatred of things that could disrupt "peace".

For fuck's sake Usagi is one of the kindest and most caring individuals in existence. If you say you are sorry she will in all likelihood forgive you and give you a chance. There is no need for these stupid "accidents" which turn the Senshi against any group in a crossover. Usagi would prefer to work things out without violence if at all possible, because yes she is just that nice.

The same goes for "order". Usagi and the rest don't really give damn what you do so long as it does not hurt others. In the anime she let dispelled Chaos knowing damn well it would come back, citing the fact that it is a natural part of existence. and this was not "chaos the state of disorder" but Chaos, the remnants of The Primordial Existence That Failed To Become Anything, And Wishes For All Things To Be One Again. In short it wishes to destroy everything, returning existence to the Nothingness from whence it came, and will never stop trying to do so. And Usagi said "Well that is it's nature, we can't just destroy it because of that! Besides it is a part of us all so if we destroy it we hurt everything else in existence as well."

Does that seem like a totalitarian leader who espouses their own brand of "peace, justice and order"?

Honestly the Senshi have no reason to be utter assholes to everyone who get's involved in their lives, yet this crappy excuse of Senshi valuing "order" is just stupid and misunderstandings leading to conflict is done entirely wrong.

The misunderstandings leading leading to conflict could be done well if played straight, as it would likely have people on the other end being suspicious of the Senshi, and the fact that Usagi comes across as "to nice". She is just so kind and caring that more jaded individuals would certainly be suspicious of her until they find it is not an act, but outright hostility is something very unlikely to occur once they start trying to talk things out.
 
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I think you got your Chaos' confused, KageX. The one you're talking about is the manga!Chaos.

Usagi in the anime broke Chaos up so all of humanity could take the burden of keeping it at bay it along with the light of hope because she knew humanity could handle it. Anime!Chaos was actually labelled as the root of all evil to my recollection. This one had been fighting Galaxia and older senshi since the beginning of time.This was until she took Chaos into her body. Anime!Galaxia was ancient.
 

KageX

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Seiya I'm just saying that Usagi in one continuity recognized Chaos as a part of reality that couldn't be destroyed. She also trusted people enough to keep it at bay for a time, believing that there was enough good in their hearts to do so.

So how the fuck do people keep getting "totalitarian dictator of a dystopic future" from that? Both Anime and Manga Usagi are incredibly kind individuals. That is the fucking basis of their personality! Changing character's has it's purpose in fanfiction, but what point is there in making good characters into assholes?

Needless character bashing to make people added to a crossover seem "better" then the other series just pisses me off. Logically with Usagi around there is no reason why the Senshi should be "shun the nonhuman, kill the interlopers!" unless these people did something like blowing up a school or trying to kill someone in full view of the Senshi.

However given the horrible fanon around here is a lot of people who needlessly bash the Senshi in crossovers. Ranma crosses have been the worst in this regard due to the sheer number of them (and by the size of that number having a lot of bad stories therein). But the whole "new people show up, Senshi disagree with them and see them as villains and don't try to communicate and resolve things after the initial encounter" is as tired and worn out a fanon cliche as Pluto the Manipulator, and like that flies in the face of established facts.
 
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Yeah, Usagi's first instinct with the starlights was try to befriend them. The only reason it took so long was because their were other evil alien senshi running around which made the others suspicious.

Seiya even in that season motivated her unknowingly to keep an open mind with aliens in of his earlier episodes when she wasn't sure what to do with the starlights. Paraphrasing, "Can we be friends with people from far away?" "Well I'm from far away and I'm your friend." This motivated her to try even harder to befriend the starlights.
 

ragnarok1337

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It's because we cannot believe that any sort of utopia could actually exist. The well-known book 1984 shows the darkness beneath the utopia, and The Matrix (first film, aka the good one) has Agent Smith saying that the Matrix was originally designed to be a paradise, but it was rejected by the humans. In the video game "Mirror's Edge," everything is all bright, shiny and clean, but you learn that Big Brother Is Watching. Always watching.

In short, there are many works that may show a "utopia" at first, but is actually nothing of the sort. Why do you think the show ended right there? Because the writers probably couldn't think of a way to believably write a utopia.

Anyway, that's my opinion on why the fanon of brainwashed mind controlled Moon Kingdom exists.
 
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It is not a Utopia other than health, technology and spacetravel. It still has crime goes on all the time, humanity are shown being massive dicks in CT (Chibiusa got bullied by basically everyone behind NQS`s back, there were slimy politicians NQS avoided) and earth has to constantly worry Chaos is going to send a nightmare every day.

It was a world government but never called a Utopia by anyone.
 

grant

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Peeve: Pluto hardly allows anyone to use time travel whenever they want. In fact she's pretty hesitant to let anyone use it.
 

seitora

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Nonono, I want to see a fic with bitch!master manipulator!Pluto who manipulates like everything for eons

Then somebody realises this and calls her out on purportedly allowing every great atrocity in history (Holocaust, Holodomor, Armenian Genocide, Rape of Nanking, Great Leap Forward, slave trade, I could go on for ages) to occur.
 

seitora

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Does anybody know why in the hell Dragon Ball Z is the second most popular series to cross over with SM (after Ranma)?

I'm seriously confused as to what the two series have in common besides fighting and outer space. The Ginzuishou turns into Shenron and splits into seven Dragon Balls? I honestly have no idea.
 

theunderbolt

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Because back in the day DBZ and Sailormoon where basically the most successful series to come from japan. It's what kick started the anime craze for a bunch of people.
 
I figure it's a timing thing. Sailor Moon, Ranma, and Dragonball all came over to the west around the same time and hit it big. Sailor Moon and Ranma cross more because they're both set in Tokyo and have some genre similarities in the Urban aspects if not in the comedy/fantasy/romance ones. Dragonball, while it is its own distinct world, which of a necessity requires some work to adjudicate, does have a similar powerlevel increase to Sailor Moon. Perhaps not to the same extent as Goku is never revealed as the cosmic incarnation of Justice, Fighting, and all that is good like Sailor Moon is, but he's still explicitly stronger than the most powerful gods in the setting so there's that.

Also, on the note of pet peeves, upon a recent google search for information on the new 2013 series I got a lot of random images, but it seemed like Jupiter had the least amount of general popularity amongst the Inner Senshi, is that normal? If so then I find that lame.
 

grant

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Emerald Oracle said:
I figure it's a timing thing. Sailor Moon, Ranma, and Dragonball all came over to the west around the same time and hit it big. Sailor Moon and Ranma cross more because they're both set in Tokyo and have some genre similarities in the Urban aspects if not in the comedy/fantasy/romance ones. Dragonball, while it is its own distinct world, which of a necessity requires some work to adjudicate, does have a similar powerlevel increase to Sailor Moon. Perhaps not to the same extent as Goku is never revealed as the cosmic incarnation of Justice, Fighting, and all that is good like Sailor Moon is, but he's still explicitly stronger than the most powerful gods in the setting so there's that.

Also, on the note of pet peeves, upon a recent google search for information on the new 2013 series I got a lot of random images, but it seemed like Jupiter had the least amount of general popularity amongst the Inner Senshi, is that normal? If so then I find that lame.
Don't know, but she and Venus had the least screen time I think (of the main five that is).
 
That's true, but Venus had that solo prequel manga and is Officially the leader of the Inners under Usagi or something in a past life if I recall correctly so she's got that. That might explain the apparent dearth of Jupiter related stuff.
 

seitora

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Yeah, anime-verse Jupiter showed up a lot later than the first three who all showed up in the first five episodes or so. Venus didn't show up until like episode 39 or something but that's counterbalanced (not that much though) by Sailor V.

Also please make Sailor V episodes in the new SM series ;_;
 
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