Sargeras

Grunt

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#1
I've tried for a while now, to find out just how strong Sargeras really is. Compared to other beings of great power in Warcraft.

So right now I'm fairly sure that he's stronger than a single old god, or at least as strong. Sadly I tend to overlook things when I find something interesting that's why I would like to know if I overlooked something.

1. In battle a old god and a titan managed to kill each other, it might be possible that the old god was particulary weak or something like that, but I don't think so. It is also mentioned that the battled, I don't recall the exact wording but i think it said the fought alone. One versus the other.

2. Since all the members of the Pantheon are still alive and accounted for, the fallen titan must have been a normal titan (as far as you can describe them as normal)

3. Sargeras is mentioned as having been the Pantheons greatest warrior, here I'm not sure if this means just the most skilled or simply the most powerful, but since Sargeras is the brother of the High Father of the Pantheon it is possible that he is indeed the most powerful of the lot.
So if a simple titan can "match" a old god, what could Sargeras do?

4. Well that one is a rather weak one and I'm still not sure if I remember it correctly, but I think in War of the Ancients, Sargeras boasts that those meddlers that try to use him will not be a problem.

5. Again I'm not sure if that ones totally correct but I recall, again in War of the Ancients, a scene where Deathwing tries to reach the Demon Soul and the powers coming from the Well of Eternity and the old gods are tearing him slowly apart, then Sargeras interfers and adds his own power to stop Deathwing.
I think it says that what he felt before was nothing compared to the pain he felt then.
Though that isn't much of a comparison since the old gods were still chained down and the Sargeras was still in the twisting nether, both factions acted through the portal.


Well, that's it, So am I correct or did I forget something :help:
I hate not knowing things for sure :blue: please help me
 

GenocideHeart

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#2
Sargeras is strong, but he's pretty much a punk compared to any of the Aspects. Korialstrasz (or if you prefer his human name, Krasus) could conceivably take him on and have a decent shot at winning. Alexstrasza and the other Aspects? They'd eat him up for a light snack.

That said, his power seems to fluctuate between books and/or games. There are times when he'd probably struggle against Rhonin, and others where he can curbstomp anything short of an Aspect...
 

Grunt

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#3
Well that is rather interesting. How did you figure that out?

Sargeras? Struggle against Rhonin? OK I'm listening. PLease explain that bit of information.

If I remember correctly when Sargeras appeared in The Last Guardian it says: "And out of the darkened cloud Khadgar saw a god emerge"

Besides War of the Ancients I don't remember any other book saying anything about him.
 

GenocideHeart

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#4
Grunt said:
Well that is rather interesting. How did you figure that out?

Sargeras? Struggle against Rhonin? OK I'm listening. PLease explain that bit of information.

If I remember correctly when Sargeras appeared in The Last Guardian it says: "And out of the darkened cloud Khadgar saw a god emerge"

Besides War of the Ancients I don't remember any other book saying anything about him.
As I mentioned, Sargeras's apparent power strangely fluctuates whenever he appears and/or is mentioned. There are times when he's so unimpressive, I get the impression that even Rhonin could give him trouble.

It's just a personal opinion based on how... inconsistent he seems to be, mind you. I don't have any solid proof, but that's the impression he occasionally gives me.

Kinda like how, in Naruto, the Akatsuki are supposed to be those ubarbadasses, yet one of their best got punked out by Sakura... you know, build expectations up and then sort of let you down.

Again, I'm not saying my word is gospel, it's just impressions.
 

Grunt

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#5
Ahh ok and I got all hyped up thinking I missed something in the books :snigger:

It's just in the Lore it is said that while he still worked with the other Titans he faced a whole race of demons alone and imprisoned them without even breaking a sweat.

Besides I like him, he is together with Deathwing and Arthas one of my favourite characters. :)
 

Grunt

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#7
Alexstrasza is a great character. When she appears it's always to say something that's wise and full of compassion at the same time, well as long as she isn't angry.

Then she's just scary.
*Remembers Day of the Dragon*
Very very scary.

Nearly as scary as Ysera in WotA :p
 
#8
Remember also in War of the Ancients Krasus said that, if Sargeras were to come through the portal, Azeroth would've been doomed, even if all of the Aspects were to stand united against him. That includes Deathwing. So if Sargeras can take on all five Aspects at once and win easily, that gives you an idea of how powerful he is. He's THE most powerful Titan, and AFAIK the only time he's ever lost in battle was when he purposely lost to Medivh's mother so he could possess Medivh at birth.

Also, Old Gods aren't THAT powerful. One of the Old Gods is the final boss of Ahn'Qiraj in World of WarCraft, and people have been kicking his ass repeatedly for months now. Granted, there's that one eye-laser attack of his that kills everyone in the group unless they've stocked up on Nature resist... but still, he's weaker than Kel'Thuzad, for pete's sake! And not ALL Titans are that powerful - there's a (very) minor Titan in Uldaman (at least I'm pretty sure that's a Titan) that can be taken down by a five-man group of equal level, or even a two-man group of 60s provided there's either a healer on hand or some very powerful DPS.

If you want my bet, Sargeras is probably as powerful as you World of Darkness players have mentioned Cain to be. "You lose. No exceptions.", I think the quote goes?
 

Israfel

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#9
Also, Old Gods aren't THAT powerful. One of the Old Gods is the final boss of Ahn'Qiraj in World of WarCraft, and people have been kicking his ass repeatedly for months now. Granted, there's that one eye-laser attack of his that kills everyone in the group unless they've stocked up on Nature resist... but still, he's weaker than Kel'Thuzad, for pete's sake!
Oh, you mean C'thun? Yah, he's a trip to fight, I've seen some battles with him before that have been pretty nasty, I have a friend who had the honor of being the first one in his guild to be eaten by C'thun which transports you into his 'stomach' where the stomach acid does about 200 stacking poison damage per second IIRC, which is extremely bad for you. Though my favorite has to be that one world dragon (can't remember which, I know it was one of the green ones) that turns people into uber-death mushrooms with its breath attack.
 

runestar

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#10
One of the Old Gods is the final boss of Ahn'Qiraj in World of WarCraft, and people have been kicking his ass repeatedly for months now.
I am not sure if computer games can be used as a good gauge of relative power, they are notorious for their inability to reconcile fluff with crunch. The very same character who is described as unbeatable in stories may very well have his stats watered down so players actually have a shot at him.
 

Grunt

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#11
Most likely C'thun is weakened because of something or the other. It's the same with Ragnaros, his ingame version is "only a shadow of his former power" because he has no connection to his realm.
 

Deathwings

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#12
I have read that topic...and found myself totally lost after 4 to 5 five message...

So, if someone can give me a site where I would be able to update my Warcraft background, that would be nice, or at last somewhere I would be able to find who are the characters you're constantly quoting...
 

Israfel

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#13
Here, this should help.

This is C'thun.

This is C'thun owning your ass, any questions?

Oh yeah, and this is the second form of C'thun.
 
#14
Israfel said:
This is C'thun owning your ass, any questions?
So Blizzard has learned its lesson from MC and BWL. I mean, there's only so much lore, right?? Designing a cool boss and then tossing him bodily to the slobbering, unwashed masses ... Talk about hemorrhaging content opportunities.? Solution?? Feed the players the bosses one body part at a time!



You really haven't played WoW until you survived an eight-digit laser beam from a five-story-high eyeball.



Pewpewpew?
Ascendance rocks.
 

Deathwings

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#15
That must hurt...a lot...
 

Grunt

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#16
Online Gaming Rule Nr. 10: You know you're screwed when the NPC starts to use attacks that do 1 thousand times your max hp in damage. :headbanger:

@Deathwings

Well, wowwiki is pretty accurate.
And there should be a lore part on the official website for world of warcraft.

Any other information comes straight from the books.
 
#17
Grunt said:
Online Gaming Rule Nr. 10: You know you're screwed when the NPC starts to use attacks that do 1 thousand times your max hp in damage. :headbanger:
So long as you don't stock up on Nature resist, yes. Look at the guy who DID buff his Nature resist through the roof - only took 1 HP damage from that attack.

And that, my friends, is how you live long enough to enter C'Thun's chamber.
 

Grunt

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#18
I don't know why, but It's kind of sad, that a bunch of level 60 characters can kill C'thun when at the same time someone from blizzard said, to defeat Arthas they (the players) would have to reach at least level 90 :blink:

Oh well, I still hope Arthas won't become a beatable NPC. :evil:
 
#19
He'd BETTER become a raid boss! I wants me a Frostmourne!
 

Grunt

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#20
I can already imagine it. Arthas surrounded by hundreds of drooling characters which are chanting "loot" "loot" "loooooot".

And so ends the tale of the Lich King. :snigger:

Anyone interested in a "Right eye of the Lich King" or "Right ear of the Lich King" :snigger:
 
#21
His sword, his helmet, and his armor. With those three things, I'll walk away happy.

Also his head for defying the Banshee Queen.
 

Grunt

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#22
Which brings up a question. If you take his sword will you lose your soul? :rolleyes:

Hmm Banshee Queen or Lich King? Which one has more style?

And if you want a sword. Sargeras has a nifty little sword, or at least half of it.
Most powerful weapon ever. Anyone interested. You just have to beat Sargeras and the current Titan Champion for both halves.
 
#23
If you take the sword AND the helmet, you become the Lich King, who kicks ass.

And as for who has more style, just remember that Sylvanas has something Arthas doesn't have (and we hope he never gets): boobs.
 

Grunt

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#24
Arthas with boobs? :headbanger: Damn the Undead and their bodypartsewing tendencies. :headbanger:

Hmm Becoming the Lich King. A goal for the future. :snigger:
Though I wonder, blizzard stated that he became one of the most powerful beings this world had ever seen.

Does that include the old gods and Titans and normal gods?
 

Voivod

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#25
I think anyone short of a higher titan, Sargeras and perhaps some of the aspects
. Though if an aspect could take him you think Malygoes(sp) would be more active, I mean he is right on the Lich King's doorstep.

Arthas is a putz anyways. Ner'Zhul for the win
 
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