SB banned me; I'm looking for a new forum...
- Thread starter Master of Squirrel-Fu
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And actually, it hasn't. That picture was less risque than say, Raines avatar. That was up for a billion years. Yes, it was probably against the rules, but the fun of TFF was that no one really enforced any rules, unless it was a genuinely mega frustrating problem.
That's gone now. Plenty of people think that's a good thing. I don't. So yes, I do view it as a bad thing. The votes and stance of the administrators does not reflect any of the things I personally voted for, or desired in TFF, therefore I'd rather stick to mainly spacebattles, as it has a decent amount of updating content. This is apparently a big problem and offends you and annoys you, I'm sorry for that.
I've never posted anything NSFW to TFF, so its purely academic, I just don't like the idea. Sure, if it was actual porn or something I probably wouldn't object. But massive masculine figure wearing a tutu, even if its topless, getting deleted for being NSFW strikes me as ridiculous. I guess by some definitions it might qualify, but by others it wouldn't. Certainly not mine *shrug*
If the amount of content being posted to TFF increases to the point where I feel my need to read/comment on it increases past my distaste for the changes to the forum that I don't like then I'll probably pay more attention to TFF, but for now. I'll pass.
Topless girls, no matter how 'masculine' (the word you're looking for is 'muscular') are against the rules.
Look. As the person who created all this- I understand you don't like that there are rules that are enforced now. However, the thing you're bitching about? Topless girls?
We don't get to decide if those are enforced.
They HAVE to be enforced. This isn't our choice. I'm surprised as fuck it never got oTFF shut down. I would rather not chance it on nTFF, since there are significantly less other forums hosted here to act as buffer noise.
Most of the rules? Yeah. I would prefer they not be enforced often, and I would prefer if they usually weren't.
But topless girls? You kidding me man? Get that shit out of here. I put too much work into this place to just log in one day and see a nuked site because someone couldn't keep it in their pants long enough to navigate to the fucking restricted section.
You're basically bitching "OH NOEZ, WE CAN'T SELL EACH OTHER DRUGS ON TFF?!"
Well no shit.
Look. As the person who created all this- I understand you don't like that there are rules that are enforced now. However, the thing you're bitching about? Topless girls?
We don't get to decide if those are enforced.
They HAVE to be enforced. This isn't our choice. I'm surprised as fuck it never got oTFF shut down. I would rather not chance it on nTFF, since there are significantly less other forums hosted here to act as buffer noise.
Most of the rules? Yeah. I would prefer they not be enforced often, and I would prefer if they usually weren't.
But topless girls? You kidding me man? Get that shit out of here. I put too much work into this place to just log in one day and see a nuked site because someone couldn't keep it in their pants long enough to navigate to the fucking restricted section.
You're basically bitching "OH NOEZ, WE CAN'T SELL EACH OTHER DRUGS ON TFF?!"
Well no shit.
Wizard. That was a picture of a little girl "hulked out". It may be "academic" to you or something to that effect, but let me tell you like I ranted before. The reason the rules weren't enforced on that old site was because Hawk was a lazy fuck who could only be bothered to enforce his rules when people spammed his email.
If you want that "lol no rules" BULLSHIT, it's called /b/. This is a fucking fanfiction forum, for writing, reading, discussing, and reviewing fanfiction, not posting pictures of topless little girls, no matter how masculine they fucking look.
If you want that "lol no rules" BULLSHIT, it's called /b/. This is a fucking fanfiction forum, for writing, reading, discussing, and reviewing fanfiction, not posting pictures of topless little girls, no matter how masculine they fucking look.
You keep trying to incorrectly summarise my viewpoint. And now, the word I was looking for was 'Masculine', not 'muscular', as I honestly can't tell from the picture if it was a male hulk dressed up as a little girl, or a little girl that was hulked out. Someone can be muscular without being masculine, and vice versa.
And here is exactly the sort of thing I mean in my above quote. Some people didn't like old TFF, some people did. Unfortunately (for me, as I liked it) the people who didn't like it are in power. C'est la vie.
It doesn't help that our admins appear to be very strongly opinionated. A very bad sign for any forum.
And here is exactly the sort of thing I mean in my above quote. Some people didn't like old TFF, some people did. Unfortunately (for me, as I liked it) the people who didn't like it are in power. C'est la vie.
It doesn't help that our admins appear to be very strongly opinionated. A very bad sign for any forum.
I'm not incorrectly summarizing your viewpoint. I'm exactly capturing your viewpoint. You want to post things that will get the site taken down, and then you're complaining about being told you can't.
C'est la vie indeed. Come back when you aren't displeased that the admins won't allow you to kill the site.
C'est la vie indeed. Come back when you aren't displeased that the admins won't allow you to kill the site.
No, and you can't read. I've never posted anything NSFW, not even in the restricted forum and I don't intend to. I stated as much above. Honestly. Its like you aren't even reading anything before you rage post.
Anyway, toodles. You're welcome to keep raging at dissenting opinions, but I can't be bothered to read it anymore.
Anyway, toodles. You're welcome to keep raging at dissenting opinions, but I can't be bothered to read it anymore.
The poster said that the picture was that of a hulked little girl. There's no gray area here.
For fuck's sake.
The lassiez-faire bullshit isn't going to fly here WizardOne because unlike Hawk's site there is a moderating staff onTFF. Please go back to SB and its rules if that hurts too much to bear.
For fuck's sake.
The lassiez-faire bullshit isn't going to fly here WizardOne because unlike Hawk's site there is a moderating staff onTFF. Please go back to SB and its rules if that hurts too much to bear.
I edited my post to correctly reflect my sentiments, I wasn't talking so much about the posting, as the disbelief that it would be removed.
"Honestly, I think the fact that there exists a topless, cartoonified caricature of a little girl is enough reason to be pissed, but someone posting it in General Links of TFF and then being annoyed it was removed?"
Like... there are legit reasons to be displeased about nTFF. But leaving in huffy fit because we wouldn't let someone post borderline-CP in general links?
...What. Just... What.
"Honestly, I think the fact that there exists a topless, cartoonified caricature of a little girl is enough reason to be pissed, but someone posting it in General Links of TFF and then being annoyed it was removed?"
Like... there are legit reasons to be displeased about nTFF. But leaving in huffy fit because we wouldn't let someone post borderline-CP in general links?
...What. Just... What.
Except, I did it politely, didn't bother to start my own thread. Other than that, correct.
I don't like the fact that TFF has changed or How it has changed, and I don't particularly like the behavior of our 'Staff' over here, so I'm leaving. People dramatised that and built it up to be some sort of huge thing, the worst part is, the people who dramatised it are/were the staff, highlighting my point.
You're sensationalising in an attempt to grab more support to your viewpoint, now that no one can see the picture. The original poster was confused as to why anyone would consider the picture NSFW, he posted it over here and was of the opinion that it wasn't and people would support him in that viewpoint. So clearly some people thought it was NSFW, and others did not. Upon further reflection, I can possibly agree that it was NSFW, but ONLY because by word of god, the character portrayed was female, so even though it had a manly set of pectorals and a six pack, those nipples were apparently female nipples, making it a topless female. Fair enough.
But Shiro: The general response was confusion, he had to clarify that it was a girl, because people couldn't tell. It had zero female physical characteristics, the picture portrayed an overly muscular green humanoid in a tutu with hair bobs, with clearly adult physiology. No female sexual characteristics were visible, yes it was topless, yes it was apparently female by Word of God. But it was nothing like a child physically. CP? As if. It wasn't even loli let alone CP.
This is exactly the same argument that the courts have all the time. Idiots go into court and try to explain that they weren't looking at loli because 'Even though she looks like a child, she's actually a 600 year old vampire.' (Ref Evangeline)
Except the reverse.
'Even though she looks like a super muscular bulky adult weightlifter and is clearly about to beat some poor fool unconscious, its loli because she's actually a fifteen year old gymnast.'
Calling it 'borderline child porn' is disingenuous. I'm leaving because I disagree with nearly every administrator level decision, including who they actually are, and how they behave, and the fact that there actually ARE 'Administrators'. And that is my right.
I don't disagree with the way admin handled the picture, in fact TES was very polite about it and didn't punish the guy for posting something against the rules.
I honestly wasn't going to post in here again, but I just couldn't let that one fly.
The only people here who are angry are you and TES, and its colouring your opinions and responses heavily, and that obvious showing of how your personal opinions heavily affect your behavior is exactly what I don't want to see in my staff. As I said, I'm sorry this makes you angry, but this is literally all the effort I can expend to care anymore.
Its always embarassing when you say 'Im leaving now!' and then come back in for another shot, but I don't particularly enjoy having my name maligned.
I don't like the fact that TFF has changed or How it has changed, and I don't particularly like the behavior of our 'Staff' over here, so I'm leaving. People dramatised that and built it up to be some sort of huge thing, the worst part is, the people who dramatised it are/were the staff, highlighting my point.
You're sensationalising in an attempt to grab more support to your viewpoint, now that no one can see the picture. The original poster was confused as to why anyone would consider the picture NSFW, he posted it over here and was of the opinion that it wasn't and people would support him in that viewpoint. So clearly some people thought it was NSFW, and others did not. Upon further reflection, I can possibly agree that it was NSFW, but ONLY because by word of god, the character portrayed was female, so even though it had a manly set of pectorals and a six pack, those nipples were apparently female nipples, making it a topless female. Fair enough.
But Shiro: The general response was confusion, he had to clarify that it was a girl, because people couldn't tell. It had zero female physical characteristics, the picture portrayed an overly muscular green humanoid in a tutu with hair bobs, with clearly adult physiology. No female sexual characteristics were visible, yes it was topless, yes it was apparently female by Word of God. But it was nothing like a child physically. CP? As if. It wasn't even loli let alone CP.
This is exactly the same argument that the courts have all the time. Idiots go into court and try to explain that they weren't looking at loli because 'Even though she looks like a child, she's actually a 600 year old vampire.' (Ref Evangeline)
Except the reverse.
'Even though she looks like a super muscular bulky adult weightlifter and is clearly about to beat some poor fool unconscious, its loli because she's actually a fifteen year old gymnast.'
Calling it 'borderline child porn' is disingenuous. I'm leaving because I disagree with nearly every administrator level decision, including who they actually are, and how they behave, and the fact that there actually ARE 'Administrators'. And that is my right.
I don't disagree with the way admin handled the picture, in fact TES was very polite about it and didn't punish the guy for posting something against the rules.
I honestly wasn't going to post in here again, but I just couldn't let that one fly.
The only people here who are angry are you and TES, and its colouring your opinions and responses heavily, and that obvious showing of how your personal opinions heavily affect your behavior is exactly what I don't want to see in my staff. As I said, I'm sorry this makes you angry, but this is literally all the effort I can expend to care anymore.
Its always embarassing when you say 'Im leaving now!' and then come back in for another shot, but I don't particularly enjoy having my name maligned.
Except, I did it politely, didn't bother to start my own thread. Other than that, correct.
I don't like the fact that TFF has changed or How it has changed, and I don't particularly like the behavior of our 'Staff' over here, so I'm leaving. People dramatised that and built it up to be some sort of huge thing, the worst part is, the people who dramatised it are/were the staff, highlighting my point.
You're sensationalising in an attempt to grab more support to your viewpoint, now that no one can see the picture. The original poster was confused as to why anyone would consider the picture NSFW, he posted it over here and was of the opinion that it wasn't and people would support him in that viewpoint. So clearly some people thought it was NSFW, and others did not.
Since, by word of god it was female, yes, the picture was NSFW, probably. I can agree with that, but the general response was confusion, he had to clarify that it was a girl, because people couldn't tell. It had zero female physical characteristics, the picture portrayed an overly muscular green humanoid in a tutu with hair bobs, with clearly adult physiology. No female sexual characteristics were visible, yes it was topless, yes it was apparently female by Word of God, but looked to me like it had a healthy set of male pectorals. Nothing like a child physically. CP? As if. It wasn't even loli let alone CP.
This is exactly the same argument that the courts have all the time. Idiots go into court and try to explain that they weren't looking at loli because 'Even though she looks like a child, she's actually a 600 year old vampire.' (Ref Evangeline)
Except the reverse.
'Even though she looks like a super muscular bulky adult weightlifter and is clearly about to beat some poor fool unconscious, its cp because she's actually a fifteen year old gymnast.'
Calling it 'borderline cp' is disingenuous. I'm leaving because I disagree with nearly every administrator level decision, including who they actually are, how they behave, and how their decisions and interventions are affecting the relaxed and generally free atmosphere of TFF. That is my right. Getting really angry over it won't change it.
I don't disagree with the way admin handled the picture, in fact TES was very polite about it and didn't punish the guy for posting something against the rules. My point, originally was that this forum is NOT very similar to TFF, it has a similar structure, but its different in many other ways, including atmosphere.
The only people here who are angry are you and TES, and its colouring your opinions and responses heavily, and that obvious showing of how your personal opinions affect your behavior is exactly what I don't want to see in my staff. As I said, I'm sorry this makes you angry, but this is literally all the effort I can expend to care anymore.
I honestly wasn't going to post in here again, but I just couldn't let that one fly. Its always embarrassing when you have to skulk back in to make a point after saying 'I'm leaving', but I'd prefer that to having my character maligned.
I don't like the fact that TFF has changed or How it has changed, and I don't particularly like the behavior of our 'Staff' over here, so I'm leaving. People dramatised that and built it up to be some sort of huge thing, the worst part is, the people who dramatised it are/were the staff, highlighting my point.
You're sensationalising in an attempt to grab more support to your viewpoint, now that no one can see the picture. The original poster was confused as to why anyone would consider the picture NSFW, he posted it over here and was of the opinion that it wasn't and people would support him in that viewpoint. So clearly some people thought it was NSFW, and others did not.
Since, by word of god it was female, yes, the picture was NSFW, probably. I can agree with that, but the general response was confusion, he had to clarify that it was a girl, because people couldn't tell. It had zero female physical characteristics, the picture portrayed an overly muscular green humanoid in a tutu with hair bobs, with clearly adult physiology. No female sexual characteristics were visible, yes it was topless, yes it was apparently female by Word of God, but looked to me like it had a healthy set of male pectorals. Nothing like a child physically. CP? As if. It wasn't even loli let alone CP.
This is exactly the same argument that the courts have all the time. Idiots go into court and try to explain that they weren't looking at loli because 'Even though she looks like a child, she's actually a 600 year old vampire.' (Ref Evangeline)
Except the reverse.
'Even though she looks like a super muscular bulky adult weightlifter and is clearly about to beat some poor fool unconscious, its cp because she's actually a fifteen year old gymnast.'
Calling it 'borderline cp' is disingenuous. I'm leaving because I disagree with nearly every administrator level decision, including who they actually are, how they behave, and how their decisions and interventions are affecting the relaxed and generally free atmosphere of TFF. That is my right. Getting really angry over it won't change it.
I don't disagree with the way admin handled the picture, in fact TES was very polite about it and didn't punish the guy for posting something against the rules. My point, originally was that this forum is NOT very similar to TFF, it has a similar structure, but its different in many other ways, including atmosphere.
The only people here who are angry are you and TES, and its colouring your opinions and responses heavily, and that obvious showing of how your personal opinions affect your behavior is exactly what I don't want to see in my staff. As I said, I'm sorry this makes you angry, but this is literally all the effort I can expend to care anymore.
I honestly wasn't going to post in here again, but I just couldn't let that one fly. Its always embarrassing when you have to skulk back in to make a point after saying 'I'm leaving', but I'd prefer that to having my character maligned.
Just so you know, I saw the picture. I know what it was on. And you've either never seen boobs in your life or you have an ASTOUNDINGLY incorrect view of what pecs are. It was blatantly a female topless pic- I thought it was she-hulk at first, but word of god says it's a little kid, which is goddamn creepy.
And for the record, I can be as angry as I goddamn want. I'm not your staff.
And for the record, I can be as angry as I goddamn want. I'm not your staff.
I dunno, it was pretty obvious to me. You had nipples sitting on breasts that were THEN sitting on pecs.
And just because I say I CAN be angry, doesn't mean I am. I'm more confused as to why he would make such a huge massive deal about making sure the site doesn't get shut down.
EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I had a suspicion, so I went and checked it cause I was bored.
You say "I'm leaving because I disagree with nearly every administrator level decision, including who they actually are, how they behave, and how their decisions and interventions are affecting the relaxed and generally free atmosphere of TFF. "
And yet... you didn't vote. Were you expecting everyone else to magically vote for you or something? ./facepalm
And just because I say I CAN be angry, doesn't mean I am. I'm more confused as to why he would make such a huge massive deal about making sure the site doesn't get shut down.
EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I had a suspicion, so I went and checked it cause I was bored.
You say "I'm leaving because I disagree with nearly every administrator level decision, including who they actually are, how they behave, and how their decisions and interventions are affecting the relaxed and generally free atmosphere of TFF. "
And yet... you didn't vote. Were you expecting everyone else to magically vote for you or something? ./facepalm
There were no breasts in that picture, not that I could see. Pretty clearly muscular pectorals, but as its (bad) art, I suppose it could go either way.
You and TES are the ones who made a big deal out of this. I was originally just going to post my 'I'm leaving' oneliner and go. I've avoided spewing vitriol and tried to keep my points concise and relatively polite. You have not. I'm perfectly willing to have a calm and rational discussion, but I don't like having people make ad hominem attacks against me. Its my primary weakness, I feel a need to defend my character whenever someone makes aspersions against it, even when, logically, I know they know absolutely nothing about me and are operating from their own viewpoint exclusively.
Also: I did in fact vote on the rules.
I also voted on the number of staff. The only thing I didn't actually vote for, was WHO the staff were, because just like most of people on TFF, I didn't have the faintest clue how most of the people up for votes, would react to being a forum admin or mod. Well, aside from Chronodekar, but he won by a landslide anyway.
You and TES are the ones who made a big deal out of this. I was originally just going to post my 'I'm leaving' oneliner and go. I've avoided spewing vitriol and tried to keep my points concise and relatively polite. You have not. I'm perfectly willing to have a calm and rational discussion, but I don't like having people make ad hominem attacks against me. Its my primary weakness, I feel a need to defend my character whenever someone makes aspersions against it, even when, logically, I know they know absolutely nothing about me and are operating from their own viewpoint exclusively.
Also: I did in fact vote on the rules.
I also voted on the number of staff. The only thing I didn't actually vote for, was WHO the staff were, because just like most of people on TFF, I didn't have the faintest clue how most of the people up for votes, would react to being a forum admin or mod. Well, aside from Chronodekar, but he won by a landslide anyway.