Nasuverse Schweinorg Shirou

Fatuous One

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#26
Well... no, that really doesn't work out.

That Shirou was Tracing for so long (and that, basically, his entire magical system was based upon it) is the reason why UBW developed. While not completely correct, you could say that Reality Marbles are externalizations of ones soul (not really, it's more like they're external materializations of their inner works instead of their soul, but even that is sort of...). Regardless, what I'm saying is that if Shirou hadn't even touched upon Tracing until that point, then he very likely wouldn't even HAVE a Reality Marble on the rise, or if he did, it wouldn't be UBW (Unlimited Rin Works? lawl).

Of course, if you base the war with just a bunch of Rin, there's no real reason for Shirou to even HAVE UBW, so it's kind of moot. :p
 

Mereo Flere

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#27
Can you imagine everyone else's reaction, though?

Everyone came to participate in the fifth Holy Grail War, and the slots were filled already. All by the same person, essentially.
 

Fatuous One

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#28
Ahaha... Funny thing is, even if the Einzbern's and Matou's are pissed, with Zelretch actually being on hand, I can see them still sort of going along with it out of fear.

Amusing. :lol:
 

Mereo Flere

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#29
Hmm...

The Einzberns...

I could honestly see them trying to get Ilya to collect a sample of the boy that Zelretch took an interest in.

Given how many people they are, Zelretch might decide to just "borrow" the Einzbern castle, giving Ilya an oppourtunity to just do that.

And just imagine what the Servants would think when they find out why they were summoned. Or what will happen when Shirou turns up at the school with seven Rin's in tow (and an Ilya, showing up as a Senpai, since she is older than him).
 

Fatuous One

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#30
Hahaha...

"Go Ilya! Get knocked up by that guy (we need the material)!"

Of course, this makes all sad for Sakura, since without her Senpai, she's... not got much luck in anything. T_T
 

Voivod

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#31
Fatuous One said:
Hahaha...

"Go Ilya! Get knocked up by that guy (we need the material)!"

Of course, this makes all sad for Sakura, since without her Senpai, she's... not got much luck in anything. T_T
she still has shinji...
 

Mereo Flere

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#33
Tsk, tsk, tsk.

F1, Sakura would be absolutely miserable. Not that she wasn't already, but without Shirou it's going to be much more apparent. Which means Zelretch will notice.

As will Shirou.

As will the Rins.
 

Fatuous One

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#34
Or would they?

By what measure would they even know each other? Rin avoids Sakura (and visa versa), and without Shirou becoming friends with Shinji, he would never have met Sakura.

The only way they'd know each other is through Zelretch's visitations of the Matou family, and who's to say that they would even know what type of behavior is normal for Sakura? Only Rin really knows her at all, and even she's going to be separated from any possible contact with her, I'd guess. Also remember that Sakura hates Rin, or at least resents her a great deal.
 

Mereo Flere

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#35
Fatuous One said:
Or would she?

By what measure would they even know each other? Rin avoids Sakura (and visa versa), and without Shirou becoming friends with Shinji, he would never have met Sakura.

The only way they'd know each other is through Zelretch's visitations of the Matou family, and who's to say that they would even know what type of behavior is normal for Sakura? Only Rin really knows her at all, and even she's going to be separated from any possible contact with her, I'd guess. Also remember that Sakura hates Rin, or at least resents her a great deal.
It's not really a matter of her normal behavior.

She would probably seem a whole lot more like Rider was. Colder, quieter, and all around just sadder, without an anchor like Emiya Shirou around. It's Hinata all over again, only much, much worse.

Hinata didn't get raped by her own adoptive brother at the whims of her adoptive elder, after all.

In canon, they didn't know what Sakura was going through; she could hide it because she could keep herself with illusions of being with her Senpai.

Sure, this Sakura might resent their help even more, but it doesn't change the fact that Rin would still love her as a sister.

Would they meet her regularly in school? Not likely. But, fanfiction allows for plot devices like them just bumping them into each other, especially with so many Rins running around. Being part of the families that initiated the Holy Grail War, there's bound to be some interest around each other-if not all friendly.

Still, I think you're missing the most obvious idea of all:

"Hmm...the Matou Family Line is running thin as well...hey boy, you've got some worked to do!"

I mean, Zelretch's idea could be to basically to go around having Shirou ensure families continue. Who knows, he could even pull Bazette into it.

...okay, maybe I'm starting to get too crazy.
 

Fatuous One

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#36
Yeah, there's a Grail War going on, but that doesn't matter! This is the true war of Fuyuki, the Shirou War. Screw wishes, there's a true man to be had!

:p

Or something like that.

It's not really a matter of her normal behavior.

She would probably seem a whole lot more like Rider was. Colder, quieter, and all around just sadder, without an anchor like Emiya Shirou around. It's Hinata all over again, only much, much worse.

Hinata didn't get raped by her own adoptive brother at the whims of her adoptive elder, after all.

In canon, they didn't know what Sakura was going through; she could hide it because she could keep herself with illusions of being with her Senpai.

Sure, this Sakura might resent their help even more, but it doesn't change the fact that Rin would still love her as a sister.

Would they meet her regularly in school? Not likely. But, fanfiction allows for plot devices like them just bumping them into each other, especially with so many Rins running around. Being part of the families that initiated the Holy Grail War, there's bound to be some interest around each other-if not all friendly.
No, that's the point.

They don't know Sakura. Yes, she's going to be sad, not going to be social, or warm or anything like that. But the point is that they don't know Sakura. Who's to say that she isn't an anti-social, unfriendly person? Only Rin knew Sakura, and time can change people without any abuse going on.

That Sakura doesn't like Rin makes it much harder for someone to get close (much more in that unless Rin knew something was wrong, she'd leave Sakura alone), since only Zelretch and Shirou would have much of a chance, and Zelretch...? Yeah, right.
 

Voivod

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#37
Fatuous One said:
...........
Awww, i have hoping for a better remark. or at least a :lonegunman: or :flameon:

Some of the Rin's might wonder what would make this Sakura so different from the one in there timeline, though wether or not they'd actually do anything about it.... :huh.:

And of course with out Kiritsugu's guidance he wouldn't be the innocent protecting pacifistic protector of justice nor the bitter resentful Archer but probabally some what of a medium or more likely someone totally different so it's hard to tell what he'd do and like F1 has said he doesn't know Sakura. and he has his own * air-quotations* Problems to deal with
 

Mereo Flere

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#38
Fatuous One said:
Yeah, there's a Grail War going on, but that doesn't matter! This is the true war of Fuyuki, the Shirou War. Screw wishes, there's a true man to be had!

:p

Or something like that.
Hey, it's a good enough reason.

Though, people could attempt to take control of one of the Rins in order to get into the war themselves, do you see anyone trying that with Zelretch around?

...well, maybe. But it certainly wouldn't be me.

No, that's the point.

They don't know Sakura. Yes, she's going to be sad, not going to be social, or warm or anything like that. But the point is that they don't know Sakura. Who's to say that she isn't an anti-social, unfriendly person? Only Rin knew Sakura, and time can change people without any abuse going on.

That Sakura doesn't like Rin makes it much harder for someone to get close (much more in that unless Rin knew something was wrong, she'd leave Sakura alone), since only Zelretch and Shirou would have much of a chance, and Zelretch...? Yeah, right.
Who's to say they're not going to ask why she's that way? Naturally, when you're going to be travelling through different worlds, it's not unbelievable for there to be a lot of curiousity developing, especially when you're a kid.

Even without abuse, it takes something to turn someone into something like that. Shirou might get the "my family abandoned me" as an answer at first, but given that in this fic they would have picked up other alternate versions of Rin he probably wouldn't get derailed by that. He might press on in his questioning, he might not, but it is in his nature to try to help people out.

No matter how much Zelretch could change him, this became a fundamental aspect of him when he got caught in the fire. Even Archer still had a tendency to help people, after all he had lived through.

You are right, though. It is much harder to find out the truth than I initially said it would. However, Sakura still would be far from having nothing, unless the author completely ignores her.

And then, well...yeah, she really will have nothing. But that would be the author's choice.
 

Fatuous One

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#39
Awww, i have hoping for a better remark. or at least a :lonegunman: or :flameon:
I find that comment perfectly expresses my feelings on the matter.

Some of the Rin's might wonder what would make this Sakura so different from the one in there timeline, though wether or not they'd actually do anything about it....
That's not a good indicator. Even if they're curious, I can't see them trying to get close to a Sakura that obviously resents/hates them unless they seriously suspect that something is very, very wrong. Especially if a personality difference can be put to the side of one of those reality quirks that pops up from time to time.

like F1 has said he doesn't know Sakura. and he has his own * air-quotations* Problems to deal with
Yes, problems that involve avoiding/initiating hot Rin smex. :lol:

Hey, it's a good enough reason.

Though, people could attempt to take control of one of the Rins in order to get into the war themselves, do you see anyone trying that with Zelretch around?

...well, maybe. But it certainly wouldn't be me.
True, true... ^^

Who's to say they're not going to ask why she's that way? Naturally, when you're going to be travelling through different worlds, it's not unbelievable for there to be a lot of curiousity developing, especially when you're a kid.

Even without abuse, it takes something to turn someone into something like that. Shirou might get the "my family abandoned me" as an answer at first, but given that in this fic they would have picked up other alternate versions of Rin he probably wouldn't get derailed by that. He might press on in his questioning, he might not, but it is in his nature to try to help people out.

No matter how much Zelretch could change him, this became a fundamental aspect of him when he got caught in the fire. Even Archer still had a tendency to help people, after all he had lived through.

You are right, though. It is much harder to find out the truth than I initially said it would. However, Sakura still would be far from having nothing, unless the author completely ignores her.

And then, well...yeah, she really will have nothing. But that would be the author's choice.
Good points.

It's doable, just hard to pull off. The Rin thing that Voivod purposed might work, but again, they might still be uncomfortable around Sakura unless they suspect that something is very, very wrong.
 

shout27

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#40
Where exactly does Taiga-sensei fit into all this?

edit: sorry for the off-topic ness but i'm trying to find another angle to work with.
 

zeebee1

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#41
Just because canon Rin doesn't know what's happening to Sakura doesn't mean none of the alterate Rins don't know.
 

Mereo Flere

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#42
zeebee1 said:
Just because canon Rin doesn't know what's happening to Sakura doesn't mean none of the alterate Rins don't know.
Problem is, they couldn't possibly know about this Sakura. What with being from entirely different worlds.

The most they would do is be happy to see (a) Sakura again.

Also, shout, we haven't really been on-topic for a while. Though, Taiga fitting into all this would be...tough. Her main relation to Shirou was through Kiritsugu; without him around, she would just start off as a teacher.
 

zeebee1

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#43
But who is to say that none would try to investigate.
 

Fatuous One

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#44
Just because canon Rin doesn't know what's happening to Sakura doesn't mean none of the alterate Rins don't know.
Why?

Rin doesn't have much, if any contact with Sakura barring school. Why would any of the alternate Rin's be any different? Possiblities are limited in how they interact since they're separated, especially since Rin feels uncomfortable around Sakura (and Sakura resents/hates Rin), why would this be any different? That all the Rin's are the same age would also add a problem: if they're all traveling with Shirou and Zelretch, when would they even have time to find out about Sakura?

Where exactly does Taiga-sensei fit into all this?
Nowhere, probably. Shirou only knows Taiga through Kiritsugu after all.
 

ttestagr

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#45
She gets hooked onto Issei, who's obsessively scared of females. Cue her trying to seduce him and him running away screaming that she's evil instead of his hatred of Rin.
 

zeebee1

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#46
It would only take one meeting to find out somethings wrong. Of course if they're traveling with Shirou all the time then they wouldn't have any chance to find out anyway.
 

Voivod

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#48
I think the best shot of Rin worrying about Sakura thing working is one of them being a Naive version of Rin who's father never died or just had a happier more care free childhood and was never seperated from Sakura. She would be likely wonder what has happened to her little sister and try to establish a connection with this Sakura and find out whats wrong.

The problem with that is why would such a Rin give it all up to go Galavanting of with Relrecht, Shirou and the other Rins?
:ph43r: edit: Fixed type in Shirou's name
 
#49
Voivod said:
The problem with that is why would such a Rin give it all up to go Galavanting of with Relrecht, Shriou and the other Rins?
Chance to get with Shirou. No further explanation needed. :D
 

shout27

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#50
So Taiga isn't his teacher? who does she teach anyways?
 
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