Sekirei Ideas

Rising Dragon

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#51
Or maybe the artist is just plain bad at drawing middle-aged people and doesn't bother trying, giving everyone a remarkably youthful appearance.
 

chronodekar

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#52
Rising Dragon said:
Or maybe the artist is just plain bad at drawing middle-aged people and doesn't bother trying, giving everyone a remarkably youthful appearance.
I've heard that the artist is a female, so perhaps the idea of middle aged men, frightened her? :p

-chronodekar
 

Jimbobob5536

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#53
She likes her pretty men.

The one hangup I sort of see with your little snippet, Dhampyr, is that Minato's connection to Miya would be rather removed. He still has a mother, so why would he really feel any familial connection to a stepmother from a father he never even knew was his?
 

DhampyrX2

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#54
Jimbobob5536 said:
She likes her pretty men.

The one hangup I sort of see with your little snippet, Dhampyr, is that Minato's connection to Miya would be rather removed. He still has a mother, so why would he really feel any familial connection to a stepmother from a father he never even knew was his?
I'll admit I have been focusing primarily on how this has impacted Miya rather than Minato. And the way the current scene breaks down in the manga has Seo show up as Minato is talking with Musubi which would in turn take away Miya's opportunity to talk to Minato again, frustrating her and Kazehana both.

One thing to consider though, is that Miya currently acts more motherly toward Minato than Takami does in canon, much less here. He lives in her home, does chores for her, eats her food, and she does her best to "raise" him to be a good man. The fact that Takami is not exactly all that maternal and seems to be a big proponent of hands-off tough love with Minato (which is part of the reason he was such a doormat early in the series) does not help. But I think a boy that grew up with Takami and Yukari bossing him around and putting him down (despite the fact he had top marks in high school that seemed to be the norm) would be more willing to accept Miya's still tough but much more personal and active attempts at motherhood.

And I can't see Minato not being at least curious about what Takehito was like. The man may have been a scary mad scientist in his own right, but Takehito was also so self-sacrificing and loving that he gave up his own life to save Minaka and Karasuba of all people, along with the other Sekirei and ashikabi in the building, when a jinki went active. He was an awesome guy and I could see Minato coming to relate to him as he learned about him through Miya. Besides, there's a lot of humor in the likes of Tsukiumi using what she has learned from books on how to suck up to the mother-in-law on Miya. Or the fact Miya seems to get very upset in her own demon-mask manifesting way when anyone comments in her age.
 

byakuryuu

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#55
I think espionage and mind games between external players could be a good fit for the Sekirei-verse. Hell, I'd love to see what a Kiritsugu-esque incognito non-Ashikabi busybody would do. The one thing I notice in Japanese anime with conflict is that there's a lot of exposition and conflict, but other than maybe Kaiji, there's not much thinking or behind-the-scenes action from the protagonists.
 
#56
Nope, wiki stated that Seo was 25 and Minato was 19. I think it's just that the author doesn't give two shits about keeping track of time.

The Year is ~2020 and the island was found in 1999. meaning that at the oldest a Sekirei is ~20 (Having been embryos and eggs at that point). Next thing that happens is Miya with the Disciplinary Squad in their mid to late teens protecting the still unhatched Sekirei. Later Miya has left MBI and the squad breaks up leaving just numbers 2 and 8, whats her face dies saving a 8-10 year old Musubi.



Idea: Minaka actually forced the Ashikabi and Sekirei to play by the rules, even going so far as to crack down on forced wingings. He's still forcing them to fight to the last one standing but how does it change things when he also actively protects them as well?

Idea: The story of some guy who can't become an Ashikabi and a Sekirei that fell for him anyway. It would be an interseting romantic dynamic, if you start when they meet you can focus on her coming to terms with "human" love rather than Sekirei and later on the fear of finding a person that might make her react. All the while it's interspersed with action fight scenes

Idea: Same as the above but it's Minato and Musubi. It'd be a good character driven plot where someone as innocent and hopelessly romantic as Musubi unknowing falls for the man in a manner quite different than other Sekirei and how she deals with it when she realizes she's in love with someone but hasn't reacted. All the while Minato still wings other birds (who and how many is up to the author).
 

DhampyrX2

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#57
Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
Nope, wiki stated that Seo was 25 and Minato was 19. I think it's just that the author doesn't give two shits about keeping track of time.

The Year is ~2020 and the island was found in 1999. meaning that at the oldest a Sekirei is ~20 (Having been embryos and eggs at that point). Next thing that happens is Miya with the Disciplinary Squad in their mid to late teens protecting the still unhatched Sekirei. Later Miya has left MBI and the squad breaks up leaving just numbers 2 and 8, whats her face dies saving a 8-10 year old Musubi.
It was Yume, and Musubi looked a lot younger than that the way she was able to carry her in her arms.

You do recall that Miya was a fully formed adult in stasis pod in the ship and not an embryo, right? And I take any wiki timeline with a grain of salt. Especially when we know Takehito was on the island as an adult researcher with Minaka and the others when the attempted siege of Karakura took place and that Seo was Takehito's childhood friend that grew up with him. Both facts are straight from the manga. It might be a huge plothole where the author did not figure up her timeline properly but there it stands. I would be more inclined, then, to add years to the timeline than anything else to make the pieces fit.
 

chronodekar

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#58
Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
Idea: Minaka actually forced the Ashikabi and Sekirei to play by the rules, even going so far as to crack down on forced wingings. He's still forcing them to fight to the last one standing but how does it change things when he also actively protects them as well?
This would be interesting to read - the Diciplinary squad keeping the peace. But indirectly, it would tie-in with Minaka's purpose - why have this whole battle royale to begin with? He needs the birds happy as can be, so forced wingings would make them useless ...
I'm missing something in way of plot there. Suggestions?

Idea: The story of some guy who can't become an Ashikabi and a Sekirei that fell for him anyway. It would be an interseting romantic dynamic, if you start when they meet you can focus on her coming to terms with "human" love rather than Sekirei and later on the fear of finding a person that might make her react. All the while it's interspersed with action fight scenes

Idea: Same as the above but it's Minato and Musubi. It'd be a good character driven plot where someone as innocent and hopelessly romantic as Musubi unknowing falls for the man in a manner quite different than other Sekirei and how she deals with it when she realizes she's in love with someone but hasn't reacted. All the while Minato still wings other birds (who and how many is up to the author).
What would be interesting is if a Sekirei did not react to a human, but afterwards did - just because of the interactions she had with him. Even better if the human wasn't an ashikabi - i.e. she's his first Sekirei. The idea would be fun with Minato, but I think we'll need to throw Izumi house out of the picture.

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DhampyrX2

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#59
Isn't the "getting to know him first" angle pretty much what Kazehana did because she was still stuck on Minaka's rejection?
 

chronodekar

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#60
DhampyrX2 said:
Isn't the "getting to know him first" angle pretty much what Kazehana did because she was still stuck on Minaka's rejection?
She doesn't count because, by that point in the story, the guy had already collected a harem. This idea is about a one-on-one relationship.

-chronodekar
 

beorn91

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#61
Anyone for writing a sekirei/bleach crossover either during the pre-deicide period or the Thousand year blood warfare. In both case another more dangerous magnicient bastard. In the first cas, Aizen is involved with MBI (and the invasion of the island=testing), maybe Hinamorifying a sekirei because he find them interesting/amusing. In the last case, the "angels of apocalypse" (sternritters) cause hovoc in the sekirei plan. (Quilge Opie: "You'll make excellent pawns for his majesty" etc...). Both case they use Minaka to divide the force of Soul Society.

Personnaly, I prefer the first because Gin is alive.
 
#62
I have a couple of ideas.

1. A Sekirei story featuring only the Sekirei. Think about it: ninety percent of the time, this series is based the Ashikabi (canon or no) and the flock with the winger as the focus as he (or rarely she) documents their life throughout the game. Yes, I understand that this is what the series is about. However, I think it would be cool to see how life is like if the birds themselves were the focus and what adventures they would face. If there was some kind of powerful threat, I believe that you would have different Sekirei coming together in groups to try and combat it. Or it may not even be that. It could even be a "day in the life" type of story. This type of story could take place either before any of them emerged or in a world where winging doesn't exist. An interesting idea, no?
 

chronodekar

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#63
Panzerraptor said:
I have a couple of ideas.

1. A Sekirei story featuring only the Sekirei. Think about it: ninety percent of the time, this series is based the Ashikabi (canon or no) and the flock with the winger as the focus as he (or rarely she) documents their life throughout the game. Yes, I understand that this is what the series is about. However, I think it would be cool to see how life is like if the birds themselves were the focus and what adventures they would face. If there was some kind of powerful threat, I believe that you would have different Sekirei coming together in groups to try and combat it. Or it may not even be that. It could even be a "day in the life" type of story. This type of story could take place either before any of them emerged or in a world where winging doesn't exist. An interesting idea, no?
Sooo... a story about a female only group, who happen to have weird magic powers? It's not accurate, but Strike Witches comes to mind.

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Amaranth

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#64
chronodekar said:
Panzerraptor said:
I have a couple of ideas.

1. A Sekirei story featuring only the Sekirei. Think about it: ninety percent of the time, this series is based the Ashikabi (canon or no) and the flock with the winger as the focus as he (or rarely she) documents their life throughout the game. Yes, I understand that this is what the series is about. However, I think it would be cool to see how life is like if the birds themselves were the focus and what adventures they would face. If there was some kind of powerful threat, I believe that you would have different Sekirei coming together in groups to try and combat it. Or it may not even be that. It could even be a "day in the life" type of story. This type of story could take place either before any of them emerged or in a world where winging doesn't exist. An interesting idea, no?
Sooo... a story about a female only group, who happen to have weird magic powers? It's not accurate, but Strike Witches comes to mind.

-chronodekar
Not all Sekirei are female. We know they are in smaller numbers, but males do exist, so perhaps have two guys and seven girls...

My idea was a bit of a different thing... What would happen if somehow a Sekirei got rejected by it's Ashikabi. Not an Homura esque Sekirei that depends on their Ashikabi not to die, but one that will experience the same symptoms of reacting... Albeit for a much longer time without resolution. Worse yet, what happens if said Ashikabi already has a human partner and several Sekirei get rejected.

I can't help but be curious about what would happen if a Sekirei was afflicted by reacting to someone and being unable to resolve it and how badly it could get, specially since a tragic love story and lots of drama and romance for a harem anime aimed at guys are rare. Most harem anime is either action or comedy, or don't center on drama much. What if drama was the mainstay?

On crossover ideas... I had a massively multiplayer crossover idea where a main OC gets dumped into the Plan, but with Bleach, F/SN, Lyrical Nanoha, Tekken, Street Fighter, Virtua Fighter, DOA and Kampfer around. The main idea was that the concept would be "random Westerner dumped in Animeland, but has skills and enough savvyness not to die in the process". He'd start as an upstart fighter signing in to a fusion fighting tournament where he needs to get a tag team partner and eventually go from there.

Basically, Veiled Moon meets In Flight. Hilarity ensues.

As for the Kirge idea, I'd wager Minaka is a Quincy serving under Juha.
 

byakuryuu

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#65
I'm actually waiting for a story featuring a Sekirei that acts outside the confines of "Oh, my Ashikabi! My Ashikabi!" because it makes them look so dependant the novelty is lost. There was this fanfiction I was proofreading for one of my friends featuring an orderly at Chiho's hospital who strikes an odd friendship with one of Higa's Sekirei, Toyotama. The whole thing skims over the first eighty or so chapters of the manga and what basically he questions throughout the events unfolding, not being an Ashikabi, is the strange psychological and physiological attachment that the girls seem to have.

I liked the concept that the Sekirei crests were essentially a personality override switch, power inhibitor and mutating algorithm designed to breed "perfect women" for their respective Ashikabis. I also liked the opposing views that every side had on the purpose of the Sekirei - and the question on whether the girls genuinely love their Ashikabi, or if it's their crest that's dictating their action. It also tried to deconstruct the validity and real perspective of a "harem hero". That was probably my favourite part about it.

Sadly, it never came to fruition because this friend of mine got addicted to KanColle and Weiss Schwartz and I haven't seen him since.
 

Amaranth

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#66
I've been on the opposite side of the spectrum. Basically, how would this attachment hurt the Sekirei if no response was given to this need?
 

byakuryuu

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#67
He was a psychology guy, intelligent but had a tendency to spout random nonsense when we were all having a talk at the coffee table. I remember the fic very well because I actually took a few notes from it when I wanted to write my own Sekirei fic. Seeing as the majority of this forum are guys obsessed with one major male banging as many women as they possibly can while keeping slapstick and deadpan humor up, I found it a lot more interesting to address if a Sekirei's relationship could extend outside of their crest.

It was a very interesting take on the subject. I actually just had a talk with him on Steam about the fic last night.

He alleges that Sekirei (and by extension, the harem genre), is not just a story based on the fantastic, but a fantastic human behaviour as well - and that it's written by someone who doesn't understand dynamics of human needs, wants and individual personalities and instead settles for the fantasy of having obedient, devoted women who think of nothing but their male. He backtracks on whether or not it was a good thing, because devotion's always a plus from your significant other, but that the author simplified human compliance on the side of the Sekirei agreeing to everything to be with ONE person - that every other mechanic had been taken out... and here's his issue - that there was no addressing of the decision-making process on the girls as individuals.

He also didn't like how the manga simplified it all to "love at first sight" - I don't know if you can call the crests that.

Personally, I actually doubt women can jump in a three-way relationship without getting a little bit of emotional turmoil on the long-term game - but that's probably Minato's purpose as a bland character. I like the fantasy, but I REALLY doubt a majority of polyamorous between-the-sheets extends to a domestic life where everyone's happy without some major decision-making, doubt, etcetera. Personally, I think that Sakurako Gokurakuin's skipped too many major components of "love-building" to call Sekirei relationships a love earned.

Those are our opinions, anyway.
 

chronodekar

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#68
Some of those points about the harem genre - I agree with as well.

-chronodekar
 

Amaranth

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#69
I'm less on criticizing the genre and more about giving it unusual twists. Harem and drama rarely go hand in hand but they sound terrifically kinky and hot and can even be seen in historical works (The Judgement of Paris comes to mind). Basically, how does a girl cope with knowing she's an alternative to the main lead and how she attempts to surpass her.
 

byakuryuu

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#70
The fantasy of having many women fawn over you is a fantasy most of the men of this world have. However, it also requires a heavy process of emotional investment, dedication, tears and understanding for the girls to even begin to stomach their presence/spotlight being shared with women. That's why in Islam it's an EXTREMELY (And by EXTREMELY, I mean EXTREME EXTREMELY) important for ALL parties to consent and understand their roles and that the man has to love AND provide equally for his wives - if he has more than one. If he's guilty for loving one more than the other or if he's just in it for sex variety, it's the friggin' eternal damnation HQ for him. It's because everyone is their own creature - in the harem genre like in Sekirei a love interest is an OPTION. An option that will ALWAYS be available.

It'd be interesting to apply how that would work with Sekirei - if they're given a more humanized mindset. The closest we came to this was Tsukiumi, but she was treated as an abnormality - as though she shouldn't want to "not be winged". The question here, though, is do fantastic archetypical behaviours provide a proper basis to a harem situation? It'd be great if there was even a fic questioning the process of "winging" and comparing it to the breeding/heat phenomena of animals - only that the Sekirei being sentient, opens a whole can of worms.

One of the factors it works fine is that Minato himself is so blank - you can literally insert yourself into his position because of his major passive-reactive nature. He doesn't have specific passions or interests, is a social reject by Japanese standards and has the excuse of "I just don't handle pressure well - otherwise, I'm intelligent". Dark hair and a blank shirt - it's almost readable. Also, the typical family connections that make him relevant to the grand scheme.

What if a Sekirei honestly followed the process of typical relationship building? How would THAT work? No archetypes, no situations; just progression from acquaintances to distant friends to close friends to that awkward treading ground and finally... a relationship. How would that end up for Minato - he'd have to be more active and have to learn proper courtship now? How would the girls take rejection?

What if a girl from the series starts having feelings for someone not making her crest warm?

I'd honestly love to read that fic again, but I'm having a hard time dragging him away from KanColle.
 
#71
chronodekar said:
Panzerraptor said:
I have a couple of ideas.

1. A Sekirei story featuring only the Sekirei. Think about it: ninety percent of the time, this series is based the Ashikabi (canon or no) and the flock with the winger as the focus as he (or rarely she) documents their life throughout the game. Yes, I understand that this is what the series is about. However, I think it would be cool to see how life is like if the birds themselves were the focus and what adventures they would face. If there was some kind of powerful threat, I believe that you would have different Sekirei coming together in groups to try and combat it. Or it may not even be that. It could even be a "day in the life" type of story. This type of story could take place either before any of them emerged or in a world where winging doesn't exist. An interesting idea, no?
Sooo... a story about a female only group, who happen to have weird magic powers? It's not accurate, but Strike Witches comes to mind.

-chronodekar
I also haven't seen Strike Witches, but I might be inclined to agree that your idea may be close. Though as Amaranth already pointed out, a small minority of Sekirei are males. Another side note is that not all the Sekirei have magical powers? While the single numbers and a select few others can use elemental abilities, the rest seem to be martial artists or weapon users. They're strong, but not overpowered. Also, in the story, Sekirei only achieve their true power once they've been winged and are based on the feelings of their Ashikabi. Though since the Ashikabi aren't a factor in this case, it makes the situation a little more interesting. However, perhaps I should go a little more in depth with the idea.
Like I said, the Sekirei are being forced to compete in groups; small contingents independent of one another in order to survive. This would mean that the story would have different perspectives for events. For example, I have an idea that one team would consist of Haihane and Musubi (maybe even Yahan) living in one portion of the city while another group pairs Akitsu and Tsukiumi, who saves the broken number from an attack and takes her to her own place. And as you may have noticed, this adventure will lump characters that normally wouldn't be associated with one another in regular continuity.

Though the question becomes what would the Sekirei be fighting against? Prior to the canon and currently in the storyline, the Sekirei were the target of an invading fleet hired by a number of nations bent on capturing the aliens and their tech. I'm thinking that this band or a similar group have infiltrated the city (and probably have a couple of spies in MBI) and waited until MBI begins releasing the Sekirei in the city to try their luck again. It's likely that they not only want to exploit the resources from the divine ships just as Minaka had, but they're trying to replicate Sekirei abilities to their own forces (kinda like in US comics with MGH). So now these Sekirei not only have to team up to survive this threat (one that's just as underscored as secretive from the public as their very existence), but they have to try and save their own while stopping the machinations of this unknown enemy. That's basically what I was thinking about.

For my second idea (because I alluded to it, but I didn't get a chance to address it), I was thinking of a crossover that would star the Merc With a Mouth, Deadpool, as an Ashikabi. In case you aren't familiar with the character, Deadpool is a wise-cracking, gun-totting, katana-slinging, anti-heroic assassin from Marvel and has been around for a couple of decades. The man is known for his fourth-wall breaks and off-kilter behavior. I was thinking that with such a resume, he would be an interesting choice. Besides, while I liked In Flight, the flood of Fate/Stay Night and Naruto crosses are getting pretty tiresome. The only other comic characters I've seen used were Venom, Joker, and Wolverine. It's amazing that ol' Wade Wilson hasn't had some loving. Anyway...

I'm thinking that as an Ashikabi, Deadpool would have an affinity for Haihane (a ninja who loves to fight and wise cracking just as much as him), Yahan (due to her specialty for infiltration), and Kaiha (who loves dual-wielding and seems to be manic in her own right).

Now there are a few reasons for why this is an awesome idea.
1. It's Deadpool. Come on, that's automatically awesome.
2. It would feature a character with a looser morality, meaning that he and his flock can be put into situations where other Ashikabi can't tread. That being said, it's likely that his profession and the stories of his adventures would make him a candidate to head the Disciplinary Squad (either with a different roster or the same group).
3. This is basically part one, but with actual reasoning. Despite his aloof attitude and fun-loving nature, he's a flawed man who has only found love a few times in his career (not just in a romantic sense, but simply as one person to another). The experiments he had underwent not only damaged his appearance, but his mind as well. All he wants is to be seen as a person than a monster. It would be interesting to see how Deadpool would react and respond to such treatment.
4. This one is optional in case you're familiar with recent events. Currently, Deadpool is married and has an estranged daughter. I'm unsure, but I don't think there's a story featuring an Ashikabi who's already married or in a strong relationship with someone. To have somebody in that position along with being thrown into the Sekirei game would be a very interesting tale. Can a relationship survive or fall in a game revolving around love and loss? Of course, this doesn't need to be included.
 
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