Nasuverse Servant Classes of other Nasuverse characters

[Prince Charon]

There are some very powerful, scary people in the Nasuverse, who could potentially become Epic Heroes. Even some of the less powerful ones might, for some reason, choose to make a Contract with the World.

Some of them have very obvious Servant classes http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Aozaki_Aoko' target='_blank'>Miss Blue</a> is pretty clearly a Caster), while others are harder to categorise.

For one example, what class would Tohno (Nanya) Shiki be? For that matter, what about [url=http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Ryougi_Shiki]Ryougi Shiki[/url], or Sacchin?

 

[Shaderic]

I'd peg Shiki as an Assassin, but Berserker may be possible too.

Sacchin... uh...

 

[Euphemism]

Hm, I thought only a Hashshashin could be a True Assassin?

 

[toraneko]

Hm, I thought only a Hashshashin could be a True Assassin?

That is true.

Sacchin... hmm... Weak-ass Berserker at best, assuming she can even be in the Throne of Heroes.

Nanaya Shiki... The only possible role I can see him in is Assassin (False).

Ryougi Shiki, likely the same.

Ciel as Archer.

Wizard Marshal Zelretch as Caster. h43r:

 

[nick012000]

I don't think Vampires can become Servants, so Ciel and Zelretch aren't really open for consideration, I think. Well, barring alternate-universe versions of Zelretch, anyway (which is entirely possible considering the nature of his Magic).

 

[Shaderic]

I don't think Vampires can become Servants, so Ciel and Zelretch aren't really open for consideration, I think. Well, barring alternate-universe versions of Zelretch, anyway (which is entirely possible considering the nature of his Magic).

Doesn't the Throne of Heroes reach that far anyway? I mean, theoreticaly, every hero in there is the best possible version of themselves, right? Of course, you keep on stretching it like that, and it'd be possible that a superhero version of myself exists in the throne. Of course, that's when you really start playing the weird ball, since I'm not sure how 'far' the throne reaches into alternate dimensions. If it could draw from the omniversal level though... damn, TTGL shit would go down in the grail war. Well, seeing at the Masters probably don't have mana to support even Gurren Lagann, let alone Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan.

 

[Garahs]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is Hashshashin?

 

[bored]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is Hashshashin?

Leader of an Arabic assassin's group from which the word "assassin" originates. The name "Hashshashin" was a code name for whoever currently led the group. The former leaders of this group are the only ones capable of being summoned as true assassins in the holy grail war.

 

[Vexarian]

Leader of an Arabic assassin's group from which the word "assassin" originates.? The name "Hashshashin" was a code name for whoever currently led the group.? The former leaders of this group are the only ones capable of being summoned as true assassins in the holy grail war.

No.

Hashshashin = The group from which the word 'assassin' is thought to originate.

What you're thinking of is Hassan-i Sabbah.

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[bored]

Leader of an Arabic assassin's group from which the word "assassin" originates.? The name "Hashshashin" was a code name for whoever currently led the group.? The former leaders of this group are the only ones capable of being summoned as true assassins in the holy grail war.

No.

<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin]Hashshashin[/url] = The group from which the word 'assassin' is thought to originate.

What you're thinking of is Hassan-i Sabbah.

Huh. You're right. This is why I should not post 15 minutes after waking up. :sweat:
Here is the link to the true assassin page on type moon wiki, and the assassin page.

 

[toraneko]

I don't think Vampires can become Servants, so Ciel and Zelretch aren't really open for consideration, I think. Well, barring alternate-universe versions of Zelretch, anyway (which is entirely possible considering the nature of his Magic).

Ciel is, I think, most definitely a possibility. She hasn't been a vampire since Arc defeated her as the 17th incarnation of Roa.

As for Zelretch... yeah, the Throne is outside of time and space, superseding dimensional boundaries. There very well could have been a Zelretch in at least one dimension who was never vampirized by the Crimson Moon Brunestud.
Considering how epic a victory it is to overcome one of the Types at all, that alone would earn Z a place in the Throne.

 

[sigfried27]

None of them would really be that great as a servant given that none of them have much, if any, fame. The only reason Archer can pull off anything despite his lack of fame is by making use of the noble phantasms of others to counteract his lack of fame and shitty stats. While some of those mentioned are abnormally strong as humans/mages, they would be fairly average stat wise as servants, and have no fame boost for stats and/or noble phantasms.

In addition, most of those with high stats are those that have an element of divinity or some other non human aspect to them. Those that are fully human tend to have worse stats.

 

[Shaderic]

None of them would really be that great as a servant given that none of them have much, if any, fame. The only reason Archer can pull off anything despite his lack of fame is by making use of the noble phantasms of others to counteract his lack of fame and shitty stats. While some of those mentioned are abnormally strong as humans/mages, they would be fairly average stat wise as servants, and have no fame boost for stats and/or noble phantasms.

In addition, most of those with high stats are those that have an element of divinity or some other non human aspect to them. Those that are fully human tend to have worse stats.

Hmmm. You know, this makes me wonder...
Archer was supposed to be execute for starting some big war thing, or something, right? So, in the future, wouldn't he get fame boost? at least, in his own timeline? I realize it's sorta stupid, a you can't really summon counter gaurdians in the grail wars without some weird shit helping your 'affinity' out, but still, the point stands that in the future of his own timeline, Archer stands a chance of being summoned as a Hero, and getting a fame boost. Of course, I don't think thats likely to happen, but I don't really know what happened to the whole grail war system after the end of F/SN.

 

[knight_of_ni]

None of them would really be that great as a servant given that none of them have much, if any, fame.? The only reason Archer can pull off anything despite his lack of fame is by making use of the noble phantasms of others to counteract his lack of fame and shitty stats.? While some of those mentioned are abnormally strong as humans/mages, they would be fairly average stat wise as servants, and have no fame boost for stats and/or noble phantasms.

In addition, most of those with high stats are those that have an element of divinity or some other non human aspect to them.? Those that are fully human tend to have worse stats.

Hmmm. You know, this makes me wonder...
Archer was supposed to be execute for starting some big war thing, or something, right? So, in the future, wouldn't he get fame boost? at least, in his own timeline? I realize it's sorta stupid, a you can't really summon counter gaurdians in the grail wars without some weird shit helping your 'affinity' out, but still, the point stands that in the future of his own timeline, Archer stands a chance of being summoned as a Hero, and getting a fame boost. Of course, I don't think thats likely to happen, but I don't really know what happened to the whole grail war system after the end of F/SN.

Um...no. It was mentioned before, but modern day people do not qualify for servant status because the information on them is more exact. The stat bonuses work because things tend to get inflated, iirc, I believe the shield that Archer uses was an example of this; the original was fairly weak, but by the time that Archer uses it, it is held by common people to be pretty damn powerful, and so it was.

 

[Shaderic]

None of them would really be that great as a servant given that none of them have much, if any, fame.á The only reason Archer can pull off anything despite his lack of fame is by making use of the noble phantasms of others to counteract his lack of fame and shitty stats.á While some of those mentioned are abnormally strong as humans/mages, they would be fairly average stat wise as servants, and have no fame boost for stats and/or noble phantasms.

In addition, most of those with high stats are those that have an element of divinity or some other non human aspect to them.á Those that are fully human tend to have worse stats.

Hmmm. You know, this makes me wonder...
Archer was supposed to be execute for starting some big war thing, or something, right? So, in the future, wouldn't he get fame boost? at least, in his own timeline? I realize it's sorta stupid, a you can't really summon counter gaurdians in the grail wars without some weird shit helping your 'affinity' out, but still, the point stands that in the future of his own timeline, Archer stands a chance of being summoned as a Hero, and getting a fame boost. Of course, I don't think thats likely to happen, but I don't really know what happened to the whole grail war system after the end of F/SN.

Um...no. It was mentioned before, but modern day people do not qualify for servant status because the information on them is more exact. The stat bonuses work because things tend to get inflated, iirc, I believe the shield that Archer uses was an example of this; the original was fairly weak, but by the time that Archer uses it, it is held by common people to be pretty damn powerful, and so it was.

two words: Cover up.
The gov't/blamer might have gotten away with saying Archer did it, and pulling strings to hide the truth. After wards, he just encouraged some rumors. A century or two later when the next grail war rolls around, he's summoned because he's the insane and mysterious villain/hero with twisted ideals that launched a war and slew ten thousand people in order to save a handful. mix in a slight apocalypse setting, or an excuse for humanity to lose a lot of knowledge and information, and bam! you've got your fame.
...
What happened to the Grail system after the war, anyway? I know the grail was the 'main' piece, but still...
Also, couldn't they, theoretically at least, create another grail war? You know, start from scratch?

 

[Fatuous One]

two words: Cover up.
The gov't/blamer might have gotten away with saying Archer did it, and pulling strings to hide the truth. After wards, he just encouraged some rumors. A century or two later when the next grail war rolls around, he's summoned because he's the insane and mysterious villain/hero with twisted ideals that launched a war and slew ten thousand people in order to save a handful. mix in a slight apocalypse setting, or an excuse for humanity to lose a lot of knowledge and information, and bam! you've got your fame.

.........

Disregarding how utterly cliched and just... ugh, sounding that is...

You're not getting it. It's not a matter of time difference, it's a matter of the way information is distributed now versus back in the past. It's not possible for Eirei to be created in the 'regular' way of gaining fame since information about them is too... accurate, I guess? And no, misdirection, rumors or what have you don't mean anything.

I suppose if the apocalypse set back the human race something like a millennium in terms of technology and knowledge, it might work, but honestly, that sounds just silly. Not to mention that if something like that happened, all the famous heroes, let alone a nobody like Emiya might not even be remembered. It's a scenario that I don't think is really logical, since it's more likely that any sort of disaster like that would wipe out mankind period, not the technology and knowledge.

Also, Angel Notes.

What happened to the Grail system after the war, anyway? I know the grail was the 'main' piece, but still...
Also, couldn't they, theoretically at least, create another grail war? You know, start from scratch?

It's dismantled or destroyed, depending on what route you're going from. In HF, the cavern collapses the Greater Grail, (and if you go by the True End, Ilya closes the 'gate', which means it wouldn't even be possible to try and start another system at Fuyuki). And in UBW+Fate, El-Melloi II returns and takes it apart.

In other words, after the fifth war, there AREN'T anymore Grail Wars. I somewhat doubt the Einzbern's would be willing to lend their hand in the creation of another system, either.

 

[nick012000]

Does this mean Chuck Norris would make a badass servant?

 

[toraneko]

The Fifth Grail War is the last of them.

It doesn't mean that there will be no more "Holy Grails" - as that's merely a label given by the Church (or was it the Mages' Association? I forget) to a ritual or artifact capable of the same wish-granting system - but the repeating war in Fuyuki is done, and it's unlikely the Einzberns would extend themselves like that again, even for the chance at recovering the Third Miracle.

 

[Fatuous One]

The Fifth Grail War is the last of them.

It doesn't mean that there will be no more "Holy Grails" - as that's merely a label given by the Church (or was it the Mages' Association? I forget) to a ritual or artifact capable of the same wish-granting system - but the repeating war in Fuyuki is done, and it's unlikely the Einzberns would extend themselves like that again, even for the chance at recovering the Third Miracle.

True, I misspoke there.

However, in terms of the Servant system, the Fuyuki Grail War is the only one that actually summoned and used Eirei in such a way (or messed with them at all). So, to be clear: while there are other holy grails and wars involving them, none of them have anything to do with the Servants or Heroic Spirits being summoned.

 

[Shaderic]

Ah, thank you.