Digimon Sha Nagba Imuru û He Who Knows Everything

Ryuugi · Apr 26, 2011

Okay, so anybody who hangs out in the <a href='http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction_Forum/index.php?showtopic=19488&st=0' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Gardens of Babylon Thread</a> might have noticed that, yes I have another fic in the works. Number ten, to be precise.

Which is probably a bad idea, but I venture boldly onwards!

While quite a few people have probably read/watched Fate/Stay Night and Digimon, less have probably read Gospel.

Gospel is a Digimon facfic written by Daneel Rush; intended to be a seven-part sequel to the five-part series "Tamers Forever." Here's an <a href='http://drgospel.pbworks.com/w/page/18257471/Introduction' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Introduction to Gospel</a>. The Five-part prequel can be found <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/u/66727/Daneel_Rush' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here.</a> Book Zero can be found <a href='http://drgospel.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolderÂm=Book%200' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here.</a> The first four chapters of Book One can be found <a href='http://drgospel.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolderÂm=Book%201' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a> and the rest can be found <a href='http://daneelrush.tripod.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here.</a> For the chapters of the unfinished Book Two, you will need to email or PM Daneel.

The rules for character design that I will be using can be found under 'Rules and Regulations for Submitting Original GOSPEL Characters' <a href='http://daneelrush.tripod.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here.</a> In addition, I will try to explain things as best I can.

For details on the character Gilgamesh, go <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Gilgamesh' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here.</a> However, I feel the need to sy that Gilgamesh is going to be getting changed in many, many ways. Since, in my time as a F/SN fan, I have bitched endlessly about the specifics of the Nasuverse, I acknowledge the irony of that.

The current plotline that I have in mind is still somewhat vague, as I have only had this idea for about a day. As such, any suggestions would be welcome.

However, I'm probably going to work on character design for the moment, as I need to convert Gilgamesh from F/SN to Gospel, which are similar in someways but very different in others. Then I will make a basic plot that won't give to much away (hopefully).

In any case, so begins Sha Nagba Imuru.

Thoughts? Ideas?

Ryuugi · Apr 26, 2011

This is all pretty obvious stuff, except for the Allegiance thing, which is a major plot point.

But this part I'm not so sure about. I was trying to convert Gilgamesh's F/Z stats over to Gospel while taking into account his new existence as a Supernal and keeping in mind what that means for the power level of the story. His F/Z stats are:

Since Reality/Data Manipulation governs both Instrumental Weapons and their power and Servants in F/SN have no stat that can directly translate, I am going to give Gil a fairly high ranking. It does also govern available energy, after all, as well as skill which, since Gospel Gil can use Enlil, he must have a lot of. However, I'm still not sure about it...

Strength and Offense are pretty easy to translate, since they're basically different names for the same thing, considering the F/SN definition for the Strength stat.

Agility is pretty obvious for Agility. Dexterity doesn't have such a direct translation, but the F/SN Agility stat sort of cover Dexterity.

Endurance = Stamina; again, pretty simple.

The F/SN Luck stat, though...I figured it was kind of like RR; it's what Servants use to make D&D style Luck Checks to keep themselves alive and in one piece.

How does that look? I'll need to get the stats exact numbers, since it would be wierd if he had stats that were all so exact, but do those look okay?

I can't fill out the Performance Log yet, for obvious reasons, but as I write the story, I'll update it.

The first thee were easy enough to fill out, according to the stuff on the Wiki, though I'm not sure what exactly a Human that becomes a Supernal is called. I was able to add a few Agendas from the GoB thread, thanks to Daneel.

I have no idea what his Level or Status would be, though.

I'm working on the Profile, now.

Ryuugi · Apr 26, 2011

Profile

Alignment: Chaotic Good
ò GilgameshÆs appearance is something that would surprise many people. Most people consider his Blond Hair and Red Eyes to be native to whoever his current incarnation, rather than a pattern origination from his original life.
ò HeÆs actually read the Epic of Gilgamesh in several different languages. He finds it more and more amusing as time goes on.
ò The thing about it that amuses him the most is how it leaves out the greatest feat of his original life; how he and his son Urlugal rebuilt the Temple of Ninlil. But then, the details of that incident arenÆt well known anymore.
ò HeÆs always wondered if that was because of the passage of time or if someone got rid of the information.
ò Gilgamesh was as surprised as everyone else when he became a Supernal.
ò Gilgamesh makes no effort to hide his identity, unless specifically asked to do so.
ò After everything was said and done, Gilgamesh still thanked God that he met Enkidu. While his best friend was the reason he became a Supernal and the reason behind his alliance with Adam Kadmon which would profit him immensely, those things had nothing to do with it. Enkidu was simply his best friend.
ò He acknowledges, however, how much his friend lost due to that friendship. He hopes what heÆs going to do will make up for it.
ò Gilgamesh doesnÆt regret anything heÆs done. He is saddened by the loved ones heÆs lost and the city that fell to the sands of time, and he knows that he made a truly remarkable amount of mistakes, but he doesnÆt regret a single thing.
ò The things he likes most are power and Himself.
ò The things he hates the most are snakes and Himself.

Daneel Rush · Apr 28, 2011

You know, it could have been a plain F/SN fanfic...

This kind of messy x-over won't get much attention.

However, if you insist on writing this, I guess I can at least offer a little bit of assistance. The following is Gilgamesh' incomplete bio in the GOSPEL setting. I would have finished it, but I was pulled away from by computer by an extremely beautiful woman for the last five hours and now I desperately need to sleep.

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GILGAMESH
ôI shall now defeat you decisively and unarguably. It is the duty of a King to display the unfathomable distance that separates him from the common mortal.ö

Allegiance: None but himself
Motivation: To perpetuate his legend for eternity

Gender: Male
Age: 38 (as of 21.03.2034)
Date of Birth: 06.01.1996
Place of Birth: Tblisi, Georgia
Nationality: Georgian
Civil Status: Single

Hair: Black
Eyes: Red
Height: 186 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Current Address: Unknown, probably none
Profession: Unknown, probably none

Attributes

Offense: 85 (A)
Agility: 62 (C+)
Dexterity: 88 (A)
Stamina: 83 (A-)
Reality/Data Manipulation: 71 (B )
Reality Reversal: 64 (C+)

Skills of note: leadership, personal combat.
Languages: as a Supernal, Gilgamesh can communicate with any language. He also knows multiple long dead languages, including ancient Sumerian and Akkadian.

Performance Log

Battles Joined/Won/Lost: 12/11/1
Annihilation Duels: 0

Maximum Offensive Power Measured û Format: Power (Technique Used û Date)
Individual: ~47000 (Enlil û 17.05.2020)
Combination: --

* Versus Takako: recognizing the enemy as Gilgamesh, Takako urges her brother to escape and engages her ancient enemy. Unwilling to leave his sister behind, Takato returns just in time to stop GilgameshÆs killing blow.
* Versus Takato: it can barely be called a battle, as TakatoÆs still lacking skill in using his Agendas. The arrival of more Archangels obliges Gigalmesh to pull back for the time being.
* Versus Takato and Hecate: upon meeting in Troms° (Norway), Takato wrongly assumes Gilgamesh is after Hecate and attacks. When it becomes obvious Gilgamesh is blatantly superior, Hecate attempts to help her protector. The King of Kings is marveled by the girlÆs desperate efforts against an opponent far beyond her powers and leaves after praising her.
* Versus Micael: it is only counted as GilgameshÆ victory because the youngest Aspect escaped from this battle she never wished for. The King of Kings did not touch a single of MicaelÆs hairs.
* Versus Hermes: Gilgamesh met the Greek god by accident and promptly beat him to an inch of his existence. He did not deal the final blow, however, stating that it belonged to someone else.
* Versus Takato and Sigurd: the two allied Supernals believed Gilgamesh was the one after the valkyrie Brynhildr, when his target was naturally Lilith.
* Versus Alphamon: impressed by AlphamonÆs victory over Takato, Gilgamesh seeks the Royal Knight to do battle. Upon defeating the powerful Digimon, he departed in silence.
* Versus Takato: Gilgamesh tested TakatoÆs newly developed power gained from the X-Antibody.
* Versus Seere: Gilgamesh chased the Prince of Hell throughout the world during the crisis of The Day of Locusts before destroying him with Ninlil.
* Versus Ishtar: in spite of the goddessÆ massive surge of power due to the events of The Day of Damnation, Gilgamesh obliterated her with his Reality Script, leaving Takato to deal with the consequences of the vile power Moloch unleashed that day.
* Versus Takato: in the Battle of Chromeheart, Gilgamesh crushed Takato despite his best efforts, reinforcing his contempt towards the supposedly strongest Aspects.
* Versus Takato, Rika and Taichi: in the Battle of Mare Aeterna, Rika gifted her energy to Takato so that he could unravel GilgameshÆs Reality Script and still have energy to defeat the original Enlil by using Seed of the Divine and Ea in succession.

Supernal Profile

Supernal Name (Reality Network ID): Gilgamesh (BILGAMES_DEVAT_HAPHVYASHTHARVA)
Entity Type: Aeternal
Aeternal/Divinity Association: Mesopotamian Mythos

Supernal Level: 72
Aeternal/Divinity Status: Transcendent

Agendas: Ambition, Awe, Boundaries, Brotherhood, Glory, Kingship, Legacies, Legends, Pride, Space, Wisdom (among others).

ò The original epic hero and one of the most powerful Supernals. Also known as LilithÆs Bane and the Wandering Judge, among other names.
ò A man changed by events in his life and discoveries made upon achieving Supernal status. Most do not notice, never seeing beyond the haughty, self-centered and overly proud King of Heroes.
ò He has, in a way, attained the immortality he wanted. However, he has grown bored and disappointed with the world. The era of epic heroes is long over, and he finds Supernals about as boring as ordinary humansùpassive, content fools satisfied with the status quo. He did not mind AresÆ plans on the Greek Pantheon if only because it made those gods and heroes do something, and he approved of Athena when she emerged victorious at the end.
ò In his Incarnations, he wanders the world to learn and grow in wisdom, trying to teach others to always strive for more. When he meets a Supernal of certain power, he is in the habit of testing them in some way. It is well known in the Supernal Realms that it is VERY hard to please Gilgamesh in one of these tests. Those who fail are usually beaten, and Gilgamesh claims some of their Existence and, in rare occasions, an Agenda.
ò Gilgamesh joined no side during the Last Holy War, as he finds it below him. He watched from a distance, and did intervene a few times. The motivations and purposes behind those short appearances are known only to him, but his status as a wildcard turned him into an extremely dangerous element to both sides of the war. He was only defeated once, in the Battle of Mare Aeterna, and it took the combined efforts of Takato, Taichi and Rika to accomplish this.
ò He does not particularly loathe Lilith in spite of the damage she did to his people and their culture. He finds the Empress of Darkness not worth his time; a pitiful, worthless thing that should stick to being Adam KadmonÆs bed warmer.
ò On the other side, Lilith despises Gilgamesh. She would normally not carry such deep emotions towards the King of Heroes, but she needs to hate him profoundly to successfully hide the fact that he scares her.
ò For a very long time, Gilgamesh saw Adam Kadmon with contempt, for the very same reason Adam looked down on himself: Adam received the Agenda of Supremacy solely because he was the first. Was the Original Human truly supreme? Would his radiance remain magnificent and powerful even without the greatest Agenda? Gilgamesh never really thought much of the Most High.
ò It was only very recently that Gilgamesh met the completed Adam Kadmon after the execution of COSMO_INFERIA. He was extremely impressed.
ò He is also in very good terms with Shekinah. Sophia does not elicit any particular emotion from him, but it is hard not to love herùone of her Reality Protocols ensures that.

Technique Profile û Reality Scripts

èarrum Üa gimr³tim tÙm´ ikÜudu û Transcendence of the Root of Legends
(Support, N/A, N/A, Personal)

Technique Profile û Instrumental Weapons

Enkidu û The Boundary That Stands in Defiance of the Gods
(Defensive, 12000, 7 meters, all within range)

Enlil û The World-Splitting Blade
(Anti-World, 33700, Indefinite, N/A)

Humbaba û Apotropaic Spoils of Ambiguous Heroism
(Defensive/Support, N/A, 70 meters, Personal)

Ninlil û The Vengeful Hand of the Moon Mother, Violation Blade
(Anti-Army, 16000, 600 meters, up to 400)

Pillars of Nippur û The Last Sanctuary of the Primordial Pantheon
(Defensive, N/A, an acre, all within range)

Technique Profile û Registered Reality Protocols

King of Kings û All Love for the Ruler of Legend
Description: Gilgamesh is possessing of transcendental charisma. This Protocol is equivalent to his Magnificence of the Original Hero, but providing a bonus to his allies and servants. Unfortunately, he has never used this ability, for he is no longer one to lead armies or make allies.

Legendary Boon û Bane of the Night Owl
Description: By achieving the impossible and defeating the Empress of Darkness in his original life, GilgameshÆs legend branded him as ôan existence Lilith cannot defeatö. All Programs created and/or attributed to Lilith have their effects reduced 60% against Gilgamesh, even when used by Supernals other than Lilith. This only applies to quantifiable effects, and thus neither Gardens of Babylon nor Merodach are affected by this Protocol.

Legendary Boon û Beloved Servant of the Gods
Description: For teaching his people the proper ways to worship and praise their gods, Gilgamesh gained the favor of the Mesopotamian pantheon. Gilgamesh can use any and all of their Protocols and Programs as if they were his. This includes Mesopotamian Divinities who no longer exist, such as Enlil (whom he slew).

Legendary Boon û Original Weapons Master
Description: GilgameshÆs combat prowess precedes almost all known Instrumental Weapons. On the other side of the coin, all tales of heroes skilled at arms are mere shadows of his original heroics, and he naturally surpasses them all. Gilgamesh can comfortably wield any Instrumental Weapon he predates as if it were his, regardless of whatever conditions that would normally prevent him from using them or hamper his ability to use them. This is particularly useful considering his Reality Script.

Legendary Boon û Partial Divinity Exalted
Description: Gilgamesh has always been described as a 2/3 demigod, but he became an Aeternal because he was never worshipped as a divinity. However, the blood of gods runs in his veins and has become a part of his Supernal Existence. He can be considered a Divinity instead of an Aeternal when circumstances would make that convenient to him. Basically, effects particularly beneficial to Divinities would favor him, while effects especially detrimental to Divinities would consider him an Aeternal.

Living Legend û Magnificence of the Original Hero
Description: all Aeternals younger than Gilgameshùas in, Aeternals who became such after himùlose a rank in all their parameters over 50 and two ranks to those under 50 when in the presence of Gilgamesh.

Living Legend û The King Bows to No One
Description: GilgameshÆs Reality Reversal parameter is raised to A-rank when resisting effects that would drop his other stats, as well as effects that would make him submit to the authority of another.

Ryuugi · Apr 28, 2011

Daneel Rush said:

Yeah, I noticed that too. But I wanted to write this fic, but I wasn't sure how to write it as just a F/SN fic. While the two settings are very similar, there are a lot of differences, to the point that they're actually incompatible. The most obvious is the power level issue, but the one that really gets in the way is how Servants and NPs work. Namely, there isn't anything like the Higher Realm in F/SN; the Throne of Heroes is the closest, but it's mainly just a Carbonite Bath and Storeroom for Heroes. Said heroes don't do anything, really, unless they're 'summoned,' but even then, it's only a copy that's summoned and it has no effect on the record in the Throne in any way.

The closest thing would be Servants, but even then, they're still just copies. Just...better copies.

There are several ways I could handle the issue, but most of them have problems.

A:

I replace the NP's of the various Servants with their equivolent IW's. That's pretty simple, but it has some problems. Saber takes an enormous jump in power, Lancer loses a lot of power, Archer becomes even more powerful, and Gilgamesh becomes God.

Though the mental image of Gilgamesh dual wielding Ea and Merodach is awesome, I must admit.

B:

I exchange their NP's for the IW's they'd have if they were Supernals in Gospel. Gilgamesh is no longer as broken as in A, granted, but still; Enlil and Ninlil. Saber, Lancer, and Archer stay the same as in A.

C:

I change the Servants completely and make them Supernals. This doesn't really work well with the Nasuverse, though. What happens to the Throne? What's the deal with Magic and magic? Is there a Higher Realm? How does Heaven's Feel fit into this?

D:

I throw out most of the Nasuverse. Heaven's Feel is a throw down between Supernals in the city of Fuyuki. May or may not have anything to do with the Holy War.

...

Actually, that would be pretty cool, but I hadn't though of it at the time I was writing SNI. Wouldn't have much to do with F/SN, though.

E:

I throw out all of the Nasuverse. Heroic Spirits are Supernals, go from there.
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So, I basically went with E. It is kind of messy, though, so if you have any plot ideas that are good, I can go with those, too. At the very least, I'm going to finish the prolouge of SNI, though, because I'm having fun writing it.

Thanks for the profile, though; it helps a lot. Do you mind if I make some changes to it, though?

Daneel Rush · Apr 28, 2011

Ryuugi said:

It's your fic; feel free to do as you wish. Hopefully I'll have the rest of the profile neatly organized for you at some point today.

Ryuugi · Apr 28, 2011

Daneel Rush said:

Thanks.

Also, can I ask a question? About the profile:

I'm curious about this, because it seems pretty low to me. Kamael is two levels higher at 74, and his/her Agenda's are Judgment, Severity, Strength while Confusion, Deformity, Disease, Earthquakes, Falsehood, Vapidity gave Lucifuge a 79. And while I can certainly understand why those are powerful, looking at Gil's list, his seem more impressive.

For one thing, Space jumps out at me, because in chapter 9 of True Stories, you gave a list of some of the most powerful Agendas in existence and Space was on the list:

And most of the known owners of those Agendas had levels of 90+.

And then, beneath those, you said:

I could be wrong, but wouldn't Ambition, Awe, Glory, and Pride fall under here? I know Wisdom would, since it's listed. I'm not sure where Brotherhood, Kingship, Legacies, and Legends would fall or how powerful they would be, though.

Is there any reason Gil's level is what it is?

Daneel Rush · Apr 28, 2011

Keep in mind that, in the GOSPEL setting, the Supernal Level is Takako's brainchild, conceived to satisfy GCIM's need to quantify everything. As such, it can be fairly arbitrary.

If we go by the six Parameters, Gilgamesh's level should be in the mid-90s. If you add the six values together, you'll see the resulting number is higher than almost everybody else's--it's almost as high as Takato's. His Agenda's are also very good...which reminds me I forgot to add Boundaries there.

So, why is Gilgamesh's level 72? Because Takako saved the category of Absolute Aeternals to those who are truly fundamental to the workings of Reality; Aeternals which transcend mythology and religion: the Aspects, some Archangels, some Archdemons and a few special extras, like the Aeternal Matsuda Takato.

The more unexplainable question is why Gilgamesh is level 72 and not 75. Takako's just a bitch like that.

Ryuugi · Apr 29, 2011

Ah, okay. So, Gilgamesh is a Transcendent is name, but might as well be an Absolute? Is this true of people besides Gilgamesh?

Did he have the Agenda of Boundaries before Takato, or did he gain it afterwards? If the later, did he take it from Takato after one of his victories?

I assume Takato still 'owns' the majority of the Agenda, but can Gil do the same things with it as Takato?

Oh? Then power doesn't have anything to do with it? Because I thought the massive difference in power between Levels 25 and 26, 50 and 51, and 75 and 76 also had something to do with it.

What's the difference between Raziel's Creativity, Secrets, Wisdom and Gil's Ambition, Awe, Boundaries, Brotherhood, Glory, Kingship, Legacies, Legends, Pride, Space, and Wisdom that makes the former fundamental and the later not?

It's probably not age, since Takato made the cut. It's not power, either, since Gil's extremely powerful. What is it then? Takako's whim?

So, it's because Takako doesn't like Gilgamesh?

Also, for curiosity's sake:

Can you explain what these do? Or are you going to put them on the wiki later?

Daneel Rush · Apr 29, 2011

Ryuugi said:

Precisely. Besides Gil, we could act a few of the epic Hindu heroes like Rama and Arjuna to that list. Alexander the Great should also be somewhere between levels 76-81; such is the legendary weight of his empire-making.

He took it from Enlil. However, you could say Boundaries and Gil don't really "get along". When Gil killed Enlil, Boundaries accepted Gilgamesh because he was obviously powerful. You could say the Agenda "hoped" or "expected" Gilgamesh would use her wisely and respectfully. However, Gilgamesh is not one for such esoteric forms of combat--that's why I didn't write a list of "Techniques of Note" or something like that. Gilgamesh prefers physical combat with his Instrumental Weapons and his Script. He does not create Programs with any of his Agendas or anything like that, even if he's not really a bad programmer (he wrote a Script, after all).

Boundaries, however, is a really difficult Agenda to use, because it acts like a clingy girlfriend. If you want it, you have to use it almost to the exception of everything else. That's what Takato did, and that's why Boundaries loves him.

Raziel being an Archangel, the son of two Aspects, and Gilgamesh being "just another demigod".

Parameters and Agendas do have something to do with the Level score. Generally, higher parameter scores and better Agendas imply higher level. There is also a clear and sharp power climb in the boundaries between Evolved, Illuminated, Transcendent and Absolute Aeternals. It's the reason not all of the Archangels and Archdemons have level scores above 75. However, it doesn't change the fact that Takako saved the highest category for "the most special Aeternals". Those who defined the structure of both Supernal and Lower Realms. I have not shown this, but Acamoth, in spite of having Agendas and power which can only be called shitty when compared to Gilgamesh's, still has a higher level than he does, solely because she's Adam's favored daughter and because of her contribution to Reality. Gilgamesh has not really done anything special for the sake of the world; he's just unspeakably badass.

I could write here what they do, but you know by know I prefer to make proper write-ups. I'll make them for you tonight if I can.

Ryuugi · Apr 29, 2011

Hm, way back when in one of the Random Stuff issues, when you were answering a question I had about your favorite characters, you mentioned Karna, who was a famous Hindu hero (I think; my Hindu mythology is really rusty). Is he on that list?

Ah. So it's like how he holds back in F/SN, only instead of doing it because he's careless, he does it because he enjoys fighting a certain way? Hypothetically, if Gospel Gil went all out and broke out all his Agendas and made all the techniques he could, how much stronger would he be?

Hm, though, I hadn't thought of that. Enlil, I mean; when I was writing SNI, I focused on the God of Wind aspect of him. I didn't even consider that by seperatng Heaven and Earth in his myth, he could have the Agenda of Boundaries. Did he also have the Agenda of Space that Gil has? Because that would fit, too.

Hm...I think I'll rewrite the fight between Enlil and Gil; I skimmed over it because it was just a prolouge, but now Enlil seems really badass, so I feel like he deserves more coverage. Do you have any advice for writing Enlil?

Random Question:

Is Raziel one of Sophia's children, then? I didn't think so at first because he fell in love with Sophia, but he's not one of Shekinah's and I don't think Lilith had any male children with Adam...Is this one of those 'Supernals are above such issues' things? That was that Goddess of Konoha's answer to that problem in Fuujinroku, but does it carry over to Gospel?

Random Question:

Is the reverse true? I mean, if, say, somebody took the Agenda of Strength from Kamael and increased their Level, would their parameters change (like, would their Offense go up)?

Acamoth sounds cool. Was she important to Gospel or mainly a background character? Or...wait.

Was Kotoko Acamoth?

Out of curiousity, is that due to lack of desire or lack of opportunity?

It would be awesome if you could, thanks.

Daneel Rush · Apr 29, 2011

Ryuugi said:

Karna's level is 75. He's badass (and a fairly recurrent figure in the storyline until his decisive fight against Michael), but not Gilgamesh-badass.

Well that would depend on what kinds of Programs he would make, wouldn't it? Given his high Parameter scores, he should be able to come up with some really awesome techniques, specially with Boundaries and Space, and maybe Glory and Wisdom. Even holding back as he is, he can already beat most Archangels and Archdemons. With the full power of his Agendas, I guess he would only be surpassed by Adam, Rachel, Sophia and Metatron (and Moloch/Satan, if Gil doesn't figure out Pandora's Box quickly enough) and maybe Lilith TakaKo.

Indeed, Gil got Boundaries and Space from Enlil.

Not really; I never put much thought into Enlil because he's, you know, dead. That doesn't mean I can't give you any input, though.

Keep in mind that this is Enlil at the peak of his power, before Ea would have overtaken him at the top of the pantheon with the rise of the Akkadians. As Lord of the Wind, he rules over weather. As King of Lands, he has control over plant life. As God of Space, he has the power to manipulate distance in three dimensions, as well as velocity and acceleration. So he's Yasaka Kanako, Moriya Suwako and Onozuka Komachi in a single package (you can explain everything through Touhou!).

If Raziel decides to fall in love with his mother, then he will goddamn fall in love with his mother. 'Cause he's the goddamn Raziel.

Too bad for him Sophia is strictly Adamsexual. As for Adam, well...he only found out in one of the issues of RAKSHA_SPHIIRA, did he not?

Actually, that was the very reason Herakles wanted to kill Rika throughout the Holy War. So, yes, both gaining Agendas and stealing Existence both can and generally will lead to an increase in Parameters. This was pretty much Suzie's entire modus operandi during GOSPEL.

However, keep in mind once again that, in the GOSPEL setting, the whole "Level" thing is just something Takako made up for GCIM. The Thread of Destiny does not think in terms of Levels.

Ooh, got it in one.

Yes, Minami Kotoko was Acamoth. Together with Arisu and Yumemiya Lillia, she's one of the protagonists of (most of) Book 7.

Well, Reality is pretty much well established by the time Gil becomes a Supernal. The Reality Servers are in the most capable hands and trying to wrestle them from Sophia is not really the best of ideas (as Marduk painfully learned). There is not really any more grand work to be done upon Reality: it is highly doubtful that the Horde of Hell will change its ways, and the "incomplete" Adam Kadmon was "fixed" by Takato and COSMO_INFERIA.

Ryuugi · Apr 30, 2011

How hard is it to create Programs? Is it the work of days of effort or does it just come to you? Does that change between the Higher and Lower Realms?

Also, while I can imagine how Boundaries and Space could be used, how would you make use of Glory and Wisdom? I ask mainly because there are at least three people with the latter.

Out of pure curiousity, why isn't Shekinah on this list? She's as strong as her brother, right?

I assume Enlil had Agendas relating to the Air or Wind, as well as Agendas for plants or land. Did Gil take those as well? If not, is it because they didn't accept him?

That helps quite a bit, so I'll have to keep it in mind.

Was Lillia Barbello (or whatever Lucifer's wife was named)? Because I'm not sure who the Poetess of the Inevitable, but I remember Barbello's name from your list of taken characters, but she wasn't mentioned much outside it.

Daneel Rush · Apr 30, 2011

Ryuugi said:

It actually takes effort to make Programs: the Supernal has to "sit down" and put some thought into it. While coming up with the base framework of the Program is fairly straightforward for almost every Supernal, actually writing the code and debugging it takes about as much time and effort it takes a software engineer to write computer code. The Reality Manipulation stat also refers to a Supernal's programing speed and technique.

Of course, some programs are more difficult than others, and some programs demand more code than others. Raphael needed almost 10 years to develop his Script. COSMO_INFERIA is by far the Program which took the longest to make (seven thousand years). The actual coding time was only a very small fraction of those millennia, though. Most of the time was spent on planning and manipulating Reality so that it could be compatible with the unique Code necessary for this Program to work.

There's also the issue with Reality Scripts, which cannot be stored in the Reality Servers and thus have to be inputted line by line every single time.

Furthermore, while most Supernals simply write the code in the plain, straightforward manner, those with high Manipulation scores tend to give a certain artistic flair to their work--Sophia's Programs are almost always disguised as love stories, for example, and Adam's are usually adaptations of tales from history or legend. COSMO_INFERIA itself is basically a very abridged recount of the history of the Universe until the First Holy War.

On the other side, it is extremely hard--almost impossible, even--to write Programs while in the Lower Realms, or at least programs the Supernal actually has control over. Generally, the best one can do is to imagine a desired effect and let the Agenda create a suitable code. This is because there is no way for an Incarnated Supernal to consciously transmit specific Reality Waves. Also, most Incarnated Supernals arrive to the Lower Realms without knowledge of Reality Code.

This is how the Digital World comes into play, but that's a story for another time.

Stop! Example time!

Brand of Glory -- The World As My Throne Room
Type: Anti-Army
Avg. Output: 500
Max. Number of Targets: 50000

Gilgamesh demands respect, as per his status as King of Kings and greatest of epic heroes. His presence, his poise, his existential magnitude, his Glory--they become a physical force that obliges those in his presence to fall on their knees. This is not a compulsion or an Aura like Adam Kadmon's and thus the Reality Reversal score does not help resisting this effect. Gilgamesh has no need for mind tricks; it's his glorious presence physically pushing others down.

Supreme Art -- The Maiden's Flawless Mirror
Type: Support
Avg. Output: Variable (see below)
Target: the SAMYA_JARA server

Supernal Wisdom is a useful trait in battle, as it allows a good programmer to quickly estimate the Reality Code--and the Agenda--that created a specific effect. This technique is Sophia's expansion on that skill, allowing her to wield effects she would have never been able to use otherwise.

Upon witnessing the effect of a Program, Sophia can initiate this technique. The Agenda of Wisdom then communicates with SAMYA_JARA using code appropriate to the Agenda most likely involved in the witnessed effect. Upon convincing the Server that it is being contacted not by Wisdom but by the other Agenda, the Program sends a command to copy and paste the Reality Code it received just earlier, only switching the value of the "source" and "target" variables. In this way, Sophia can use Programs used against her.

While it is true that Sophia has an immense advantage as the Administrator of SAMYA_JARA, she could still use this Program were that not the case. The effectiveness of this Program is a consequence of Sophia being amongst the most brilliant programmers in Creation, as well as her major claim on the Agenda of Wisdom.

This would be because Shekinah is the "I punch things really hard!"-type, and full-power Gilgamesh would not only punch about as hard, but also possess plenty of utility Programs to keep Shekinah's monstrous offensive power at bay.

They probably would not have accepted him anyway, but Gil did not try to claim those in the first place.

No, Lillia was not Barbelo. I never really decided on a role for Barbelo in GOSPEL, but I was sure I did not want any of the fanmade characters to take her.

Ryuugi · Apr 30, 2011

Hm...we now have several examples of IW's that boost Parameters, including Reality Manipulation. Do such boosts also increase programming speed and technique?

How long would someone like Gilgamesh need to consciously write a 'normal' (say, a basic offensive technique that does average damage at average speed for average energy, or something like that) technique? How long would it take Michael while his Reality Manipulation is boosted to 90 by Yata no Kagami? How long would it take Sophia, who has a 100?

Are such codes worse then Programs, then? How long do they take to write in comparison?

Yeah, I remember you saying something on the wiki about Digital Code being closer to Reality Code (in the, I think, Hazard entry). Raphael programmed his Script completely in Digital Code, right? If it took him ten years...was he doing it while Taichi was in the Digital World after faking his death?

These are awesome. A few questions, though.

For the first technique, Gil can't actually use that one, because he doesn't generally make techniques, right? Or is this one an exception?

For the second technique, Sophia can use that technique due to her skill and claim on the Agenda of Wisdom. Am I correct in assuming Raziel and Gilgamesh cannot use it? Would boosting their Parameters with an IW change that or is it the Claim that stops them flat? On a side note, Sophia holds the major share of Wisdom, but how do Raziel and Gilgamesh compare to each other?

While Metatron fights more subtly, using technique negation, redirection, etc. while also using techniques very quickly, right? I think that's what you said about his fighting style...

Daneel Rush · Apr 30, 2011

Ryuugi said:

Speed only. Programming skill can only be improved by practice and experience.

It really depends on the circumstances. Creating Programs while in the mortal realm is inevitably slow. Supernals usually allow their Agendas to handle the coding and then, if the Supernal has knowledge of Reality Code, it can try to tweak the code the Agenda made by trial and error. It was only after Koushiro realized it was possible to use Digi-Code that Takato and friends could really take the reins of their Program-making.

Gilgamesh is fairly good at coding; he wrote a Script, after all. He just does not have interest in being a "Caster". If we're talking the most average Program of averageness, and assuming that Gil is the one actually doing the coding (he's in the Digital World) AND that he has acceptable knowledge of Reality Code in this Incarnation, he would spend between 12 to 24 hours just finishing a functional (but not necessarily the best) code.

Jeri never really got into programming (it's just not her thing) and only wrote five Programs throughout the GOSPEL storyline. The first two, KYRIE.DILUVIA and KYRIE.LEY, were assembled by her Agenda of Water (which I just noticed is not in Michael's list in the website). Once Digi-Code became an option, she wrote and optimized KYRIE.TRAGEDIA, KYRIE.MANYE and KYRIE.KIEL_KYRIE in about six months with input from Henry and Takato. There's also her Reality Protocol, Fatuous Instrumentality, which was developed in less than a week, but Takako did most of the job on that.

Sophia does not only have the highest Manipulation score. As the administrator of the Reality Servers, she's been constantly working with Reality Code for billions of years, which is also plenty of time to master her Agendas. She's the greatest programmer in Creation: a simple program is finished and optimized in minutes, and the most difficult Program will probably not take her more than five days. The only reason she took 1900 years to finish Ark of the Covenant was because 1) She's a perfectionist; 2) She was working on the Aspect Binding Circle and the Aspect Seal in parallel; 3) Having to constantly supervise the Reality Servers hampers her programming speed a little bit; 4) Reality Scripts are nasty; on a wholly different level from even the most advanced non-Script Program.

Agenda-made Programs are simply sub-optimal. An Agenda only cares to make a Program that works and creates the desired effect. It does not worry about minimizing energy demand, bandwidth of whatever, and it does not bother with debugging, which means the Program may fail under very specific, obscure and unknown circumstances.

However, Agendas work fast. This is obvious, considering they are only writing code and sending it to the Reality Servers (which they do all the time a Supernal wants to do something, well, Supernal), plus commanding a Server to store the Program. So there's really no difference between Agenda-made Programs and non-Program Code, only that the former can be recalled at a later time.

I happen to have misled you a bit. Matrix of Genesis was written in the Digital World between 1978 and 1988. However, at that time, the Digital World and the mortal world were not synchronized in time, were they?

In the GOSPEL setting, Gilgamesh does not really like Adam Kadmon. He knows that Adam Kadmon's awesome powers are solely the result of being the first Supernal and thus the owner of Supremacy. Many of Gilgamesh' Supernal powers are his (failed) attempts to prove that he can rival Adam Kadmon without the Agenda of Supremacy. This particular Program is his answer to SUPERBIA=ABH_HALO. Gil also has a second Program based in his Agenda of Glory which pretty much makes him blindingly shiny.

Gilgamesh has been around for around 4000 years, so I can assure you even he has made a few Programs.

They would not be able to use the exact same Program as Sophia, but they could develop their own Programs to achieve the exact same effect. Gilgamesh won't, for reasons we already know and, besides, it would not be an efficient use of his energy. Raziel's version would likely force him to spend more energy than his opponent did to create the same effect, which is not really that useful.

Yes. If Gil uses, let's say, Enlil, against Shekinah, her response would be soaking it. While Soaking Programs are just as good as Barrier Programs, they always take more energy. Metatron is not only very good at barriers, he also has his nullification and counter-casting Programs and Metatron's Cube.

And Sophia is the mother of all tanks. It's kinda like in Exalted: Sophia's defensive Programs generally spend considerably less energy than the offensive Program she's defending against. That's why she has insane staying power in spite of her relatively low Stamina compared to the other Aspects.

Ryuugi · May 1, 2011

Ah, so, is this why Moloch is stated to be an extremely skilled programmer despite his...well, not low, but not super impressive Reality Manipulation score?

Ah, so Koushiro figured it out. But am I correct in assuming that while he figured it out and made the official discovery, other people were using the Digital World for that purpose before that, like Raphael and his Script?

Am I correct in assuming, then, that it doesn't take conscious knowledge of the possibility (unless Taichi knew in 1978 and forgot?) to use the Digital World in that manner?

While (if I understand correctly) his skill would govern the fact that his Code is merely functional, how would a speed increase from an Artificial source (again, I'll use the Yata no Kagami) change that time?

Just to make sure I understand...

Sophia began working on the Binding Circle after Lilith escaped to the Lower Realms ~50000 years ago. I'm not sure when she began to work on the Seal or the Ark, but did she begin work on those things before the Original Sin or did the Circle just take a long time?

Ah, I see; sub-optimal, but if you need them now...I can see why that would be useful.

Out of curiosity, Programs are techniques that are valued greatly by a specific Supernal, which they then optimize and store in the Thread, right? Can non-Program Code made by an Agenda be converted into a Program by a Supernal?

Ah. Hm...wait.

Would the Chosen have been in the Digital World at that point? I'm pretty sure not. Then...is this the thing with Goddramon and Taichi that we don't know about that made him a Vessel of God?

Well, I suppose that being a goal that others can strive for but never reach is one of the original points behind Adam's existence, huh?

Hm. On a completely random note, are the IWs Szczerbiec and Durendal good choices against Metatron and Sophia? I mean, they're good against everyone, but the former does double damage against barriers which means you get twice the power out of your energy. Is that enough to make up for the differences in efficiency?

The Later means they have to defend three times against every attack (plus gives stat boosts); is that enough to close the gap?

Daneel Rush · May 1, 2011

Ryuugi said:

Yes.

Indeed, Raphael, Lilith and Sandalphon knew how to use Digi-Code as pseudo-Reality Code before Izzy made the find.

Also, Digimon Adventure took place in 1999. Taichi was born in 1988.

He would achieve the same result in about 1/4th of the time.

Sophia began to work on her Script approximately on 930 BC. She worked on the Aspect Seal in parallel with the Aspect Binding Circle. The problem with those two Programs was that she had no chance to test them, which prevented real optimization. Unfortunately for that kind of powerful Program, she could not afford to rely on her Agendas. They really had to be perfect; after all, if anybody can figure out a way to exploit the most obscure flaw in a piece of Code, it's an Aspect of God. Especially Lilith.

If the Supernal is capable of programming, then yes.

Once again, Digimon Adventure took place in 1999.

Kamiya Taichi was born on 1988.

The original group of Chosen Children traveled to the Digital World in 1988.

Those two weapons would be a good alternative to erode Metatron's barriers, especially Szczerbiec. Metatron's energy would be drained faster if he only used barriers to defend, and this could prove dangerous against enemies with staying power like Gilgamesh. He would quickly switch to different countermeasures against such weapons.

Sophia possesses the highest defensive power in Reality (after Adam and Rachel, of course). The only Instrumental Weapons she fears are Merodach, who destroys anything and everything, and Lancea Longini, the ultimate anti-barrier Instrumental Weapon.

Ryuugi · May 1, 2011

Can I assume, then, that when you talk about 1978, you're talking about the Original Chosen? Was the previous incarnation of Raphael amongst them?

Ah.

Ah, then Raphael couldn't have been among them unless he died and immediately reincarnated.

Wait, maybe I'm going about this incorrectly. You talked about the time difference between the worlds; could all ten of the years Raphael used have happened in 1988?

Well, I was just talking about 'in general,' not Gilgamesh specifically (because, while he has a Reality Protocol that would let him use them, how would he get either of those weapons in the first place?).

However, since we're on this subject, what type of counter measures would Metatron use? And if Gil had those weapons and forced Metatron to use those countermeasures, would it be enough for him to win the fight or would the Big M still win?

Interesting. That's Takato's weapon, right? I think Takako gave it too him, so...it would have belonged to Gabriel before that, right? And I assume she took it from Longinus.

Daneel Rush · May 1, 2011

Ryuugi said:

Yes.

With his Reality Script.

If I had written GOSPEL you would have seen that Takato really did not take advantage of Metatron's many awesome Programs. Just a short list of the First Archangel's favorite pieces of code:

- A Program that makes his existence an "uncertainty", and thus unable to locate in space by most means.
- Programs to redirect, transmute and disperse energy flows.
- A Program which nullifies any release of energy beyond a certain threshold.
- A Program which allows the use of only Heaven-type Insignias in an area.
- A large collection of Restriction Programs, both Prison-type and Binding-type.
- An Archangel-summoning Program.

Gilgamesh's straightforward combat style performs really poorly against Metatron. Gil's bag of tricks is very powerful against most Supernals, but Aspects are the Supernals with the largest bags of tricks.

Lilith was present at the crucifixion of the Son of God, and took a chip of the spear tip while the Roman soldiers were taking down the body. In that way, when SAMYA_JARA recognized the spear of Longinus as carrying a powerful concept and thus worthy of becoming Instrumental, Lilith could immediately claim ownership of it (Longinus never became Supernal, after all).

Ryuugi · May 2, 2011

Ah, so it allows him to create Instrumental Weapons?

Cool.

Metatron sounds really cool, so it's a bit said that he gets passed over. But then, what can you expect when in the same body as Adam Kadmon? But I've always found Metatron interesting because he was always in the background (it seemed). I'm looking forward to the entry on him in the Takato Character Profile.

Out of curiousity, what Agenda's does he use for those techniques? The Crown?

Also, is this what you meant by Takato using Boundaries exclusively?

Is that how Supernals claim Instrumental Weapons?

Daneel Rush · May 3, 2011

Ryuugi said:

It can do other things, but that's its most straightforward effect.

In order: Potential, Potential, Completeness, Completeness + The Crown, The Crown and The Crown.

It's a way to claim ownership of a Instrumental Weapon not intrinsically associated with a specific Supernal.

Ryuugi · May 10, 2011

Question for a scene I'm writing.

Is this ability limited to Aeternals like Magnificence of the Original Hero? Can it be used on Supernals in general? Can it be used on unawakened Supernals? And, most importantly, can it be used on humans?

In the latter case, if yes, it still would not increase their Reality Manipulation and Reversal scores, right? Because humans flat out don't have those (unless I'm remembering incorrectly).

Daneel Rush · May 10, 2011

Ryuugi said:

Sorry I didn't notice this before.

All Love for the Ruler of Legend works on everything alive that could be considered as "on Gilgamesh's side". So, yes, it works on humans. If those humans were riding horses, those horses would be affected as well.

However, there's such a thing as too much power. Keep in mind that the bodies of Incarnated Supernals are reinforced to handle the power they contain. Even if this protocol gives an ordinary human the power to, let's say, move at super-human speeds or break down walls with a punch, his body will not enjoy it in the slightest.

It could be that humans would gain 10 points of Reality Reversal but, indeed, they would not gain a Reality Manipulation score. It was never an issue in GOSPEL, so I didn't think about it until just now.

Daneel Rush · May 14, 2011

Reality Script: èarrum Üa gimr³tim tÙm´ ikÜudu û Transcendence of the Root of Legends
Power: N/A
Type: Support
Range: 12 km
Maximum Number of Targets: N/A

ôGilgameshÆs Reality Script. His answer to Seder Hishtalshelus, you could say. Of course, itÆs nowhere near close to Seder Hishtalshelus in scope, and itÆs mostly useful as a combat technique. In fact, it makes the bulk of GilgameshÆ combat power. ItÆs strongùbrute strength at its finest. Overwhelming power capable of outlasting any opponentàI guess thatÆs the idea. And it works, most of the time, as much as it pains me to admit it. I cannot beat this technique by myself. Onii-chan had to dispel the Reality Script before it defeated him. I heard Metatron defeated him in the same way some centuries ago. I think SophiaÆs the only one who has actually outlasted it, even if she could have dispelled it. Maybe it was her way to teach him a lesson?ö

Gilgamesh. The King of Heroes. The Original Epic Hero. His tale precedes all tales of warring and heroics and thus all heroes after him are but pale reflections of his greatness. The awe they inspire, the legends attributed to them, they are all but mere shadows of his encompassing magnitude and the weight of his legend. Protecting the weak, slaying beasts, challenging gods, wielding artifacts of poweràhe did it all before anyone else. He encompasses all heroics, all legends and all great battles, and thus they all belong to him.

Gilgamesh can create any object, mundane or supernatural, as long as it was made and/or has at some point in history been used either for combat or for a heroic purpose. From a sturdy tree branch or a muleÆs jaw to an aircraft carrier or a nuclear submarine, they are all within the scope of this Technique. He can also create any Instrumental Weapon made after his original lifetime, as long as it fulfills the same prerequisites. For example, Gilgamesh could create Durandal, a legendary blade, but he would not be able to create the PhilosopherÆs Stoneùas legendary as it may be, it is not directly associated with any heroics or warfare.

While already immensely powerful, so far the effect stated above is still not something beyond the scope of a ôReality Scriptö. It is the second effect of this Program which makes it deserving of the title. GilgameshÆs supreme Technique temporarily modifies the very definition of ôInstrumental Weaponö by the sheer might of his legendary status. In other words, ôif it belongs to Gilgamesh, it must naturally be legendaryö.

Any and all mundane objects created by Gilgamesh with this Techniqueùthe tree branch, the mule jaw, the aircraft carrier, the nuclear submarineùgain Instrumental Weapon status. This often only involves a boost in their power output, enough to become of use against Supernals. However, objects which carry the potential of becoming Instrumental Weapons on their own at some point in the future may gain additional special properties. More often than not Gilgamesh personally encodes special features into the items he creates according to the situationùanti-demon missiles against the denizens of Hell, for example.

Note: the name of the Script is ancient Akkadian for ôThe King Who Conquered All Designsö.

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