Shokugeki no Souma

Antimatter

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#27
That ending...better be a good explanation for whats going on here.
 
#28
It's not TOO surprising when you think about it. That judge has been set up as the dickhead antagonist of this arc from his first appearance (lol expelling a kid for hair product). So obviously Souma is going to be the big hero, and challenge him and win to save his friend's place at the school. And his reputation will grow much larger due to the fact that he defeated a professional chef. I'd honestly rather see her actually end up expelled though. It would do a lot to put over the shark pit atmosphere of Tootsuki if one of the established 'good guy' characters were to fall victim to it. I guess the fact that I don't particularly care for her anyway also plays into that though.
 

image

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#29
I like her better than the 'destined love interest'. That blonde bitch can go die in a ditch and nothing of value would be lost.
 
#30
Eh, the shrinking violet character type just bores me in general. I prefer Nikumi over both her and Erina though.
 

Antimatter

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#31
SerpentknightLester said:
It's not TOO surprising when you think about it. That judge has been set up as the dickhead antagonist of this arc from his first appearance (lol expelling a kid for hair product). So obviously Souma is going to be the big hero, and challenge him and win to save his friend's place at the school. And his reputation will grow much larger due to the fact that he defeated a professional chef. I'd honestly rather see her actually end up expelled though. It would do a lot to put over the shark pit atmosphere of Tootsuki if one of the established 'good guy' characters were to fall victim to it. I guess the fact that I don't particularly care for her anyway also plays into that though.
True, she hasn't done a lot on her own so far without Souma's help, so having her take a dive could be a wakeup call for the rest of the case.

Granted, it is odd to have one of the major characters go down like that this early on.
 

FinalMax

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#32
Maybe, but it's not odd for it to be her. She was always on the cusp of expulsion, and honestly Souma was her crutch. It was a given that she'd ultimately fail when this crutch was separated from her. The only odd thing is that the incident that lead to this is -currently- off-screen. That will likely be shown next chapter.
 

zeebee1

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#33
Beating the pro's is possible. They aren't actually important characters. The true elites are the one's on the super council of student chefs. Though the main character's father is probably the world's best chef and the principal is most likely number 2.
 
#34
Ha, I eyerolled when the Super Student Council of Doom made its appearance. Not that it was unexpected or anything, but it would be nice to see some cliches averted once in a while.
 

zeebee1

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#36
Really, the rules don't make any sense. Failing someone because they don't play by the rules is stupid when you consider who the alumni are. There mere existence is sending a message. If you graduate you will become such a great chef that you will have your own restaurant. It is counterproductive to teach them that you have to play the subordinate.
 
#37
The guy's just an asshole. I mean, he admitted that he intentionally put bad ingredients in the mix so that he would have an excuse to fail more people. He cares more about pampering his ego than he does about properly teaching the students anything. Most of these kids are culinary royalty, or so we've been made to assume, and forcing them to act as his subordinates makes him feel like a big shot. It's going to be quite satisfying to watch Souma crush and humilate him.
 

Antimatter

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#38
SerpentknightLester said:
The guy's just an asshole. I mean, he admitted that he intentionally put bad ingredients in the mix so that he would have an excuse to fail more people. He cares more about pampering his ego than he does about properly teaching the students anything. Most of these kids are culinary royalty, or so we've been made to assume, and forcing them to act as his subordinates makes him feel like a big shot. It's going to be quite satisfying to watch Souma crush and humilate him.
Bingo. It's one thing to fail someone for a bad dish, it's another to rig the game, and then fail anyone who dares try to correct for the bad choices he made.

Going to love seeing him go down.
 

Masterly

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#39
Personally, while I'd like to see the guy get shut down I'd also like to see Souma fail. It would be a good way to put both of them into their place because as good a chef as Souma is I'd like for 'you're not the top dog anymore' to be hammered in more viciously.

I'm thinking they do the Shokugeki and Souma, desperately, pulls out one of his father's recipes. It wins him the competition but nulls his victory, given the circumstances. Would be a nice reveal to the staff/students about his parentage. Though, the Shokugeki would need authorization from some higher-ups most like. We have two teachers on Megumi's side though.
 
#40
'You're not the top dog anymore' implies that Souma was ever the top dog to begin with. He pretty much spent his entire childhood trying and failing to match up with his father. As I said with the last bit with Aldini, IMO this arc is not the right time for Souma to taste defeat quite yet. There's little doubt that it will happen to him eventually, but I think doing it this early into the story just makes him look like a fool. I don't see how using one of his father's recipes would be a defeat for him in any way either. He's already done so on more than one occasion (his entrance exam dish that Erina tasted, plus the one he used in that challenge against Isshiki).
 

goldenarms

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#41
Masterly said:
Personally, while I'd like to see the guy get shut down I'd also like to see Souma fail. It would be a good way to put both of them into their place because as good a chef as Souma is I'd like for 'you're not the top dog anymore' to be hammered in more viciously.
And thus ends the series prematurely. Remember, his continued participation in the school would most likely be on the line, and we've already Deus ex Machina'd Souma into the school. Using it again so soon would reek of bad writing.

Masterly said:
I'm thinking they do the Shokugeki and Souma, desperately, pulls out one of his father's recipes. It wins him the competition but nulls his victory, given the circumstances.
I fail to see how using one of his father's dishes would null his victory. After all, cooking is following recipes written, practiced, refined, and perfected by other people. It's not like he had his father secretly cook the dish or something.

Masterly said:
Would be a nice reveal to the staff/students about his parentage. Though, the Shokugeki would need authorization from some higher-ups most like. We have two teachers on Megumi's side though.
Depending on the situation, that might be all that's needed to overturn Megumi's failure, rather than go into a must-win Shokugeki. I'm not too fond of the idea of Souma beating the dick full on, no matter how much of a dick he is, at this point in the game, since it would pretty much catapult him to the top of the food chain with no way of defending his position. If the chef is playing with a handicap, it'd be a different story, but not a no-holds barred cook-off.
 

Masterly

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#42
goldenarms said:
Masterly said:
I'm thinking they do the Shokugeki and Souma, desperately, pulls out one of his father's recipes. It wins him the competition but nulls his victory, given the circumstances.
I fail to see how using one of his father's dishes would null his victory. After all, cooking is following recipes written, practiced, refined, and perfected by other people. It's not like he had his father secretly cook the dish or something.
Normally, yeah but Souma's father is supposed to be one of greatest chefs in the world if not the greatest. I wasn't sure where I was going with this because you're right but I really don't want Souma to beat Chef Dick.

That's not to say that I want him to lose of course.
 

decibels

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#43
Except that so far aside from the principal there's been one person who recognized Souma's last name and it wasn't even an "oh shit he's THAT guy's son." Just a "That name sounds familiar, where have I heard it before."
 

Antimatter

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#44
Masterly said:
goldenarms said:
Masterly said:
I'm thinking they do the Shokugeki and Souma, desperately, pulls out one of his father's recipes. It wins him the competition but nulls his victory, given the circumstances.
I fail to see how using one of his father's dishes would null his victory. After all, cooking is following recipes written, practiced, refined, and perfected by other people. It's not like he had his father secretly cook the dish or something.
Normally, yeah but Souma's father is supposed to be one of greatest chefs in the world if not the greatest. I wasn't sure where I was going with this because you're right but I really don't want Souma to beat Chef Dick.

That's not to say that I want him to lose of course.
I still don't see how that would null his victory. I mean, knowing a recipe and being able to pull it off are two different things.

I think he'll make a point by using some 'bad' ingredients and pulling off a great dish, showing that mindless adherence to recipes isn't the mark of a great chief. i get the feeling Chief dickhead is the sort who cannot deviate from his established recipes, because that's all he knows how to do. they are perfect in his mind, so any deviance is heresy.
 
#45
Updated.

I don't think I care too much for that 'added rule.' Making Souma taking a backseat role in a challenge he issued seems a bit dumb.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#46
I find this interesting.

Doujima clearly is the 'boss' of the Alumni this far, what with him being able to intimidate the jackasshole into actually going along with the Shokugeki. (I really wish this had a translated word.) I'm guessing this is part of a test of his own to gauge Megumi's skills.

After all... it's not just a matter of Souma being the best cook around and just having to prove to people that he truly is, like other mangás do. Megumi's weakness is that she's constantly doubting herself and figures she's weak, in part because the years at the middle school section nearly broke her. Even if she hadn't been fired by such a jerkasshole's behavior, she still would have left Tootsuki eventually because she's too vulnerable and would make an innocent mistake.

In fact, that's what happened; she assumed that Souma's cooking skills, which had saved her ass before, would have been enough to help compliment her lesser abilities when she was faced with the rotten vegetables, unaware that it was a trap (Jerkasshole wanted to fire half the class intentionally, as opposed to Inui's more honest treatment). Disrespecting the 'rules' resulted in her firing.

Now, having taken that in mind, if we assume that Doujima is honestly willing to give Megumi a chance because of Souma's guts for challenging an Alumnus (something which never happened before), then he set her up as the leader to make her realize that she can't be weak if she wants to survive at Tootsuki, and she has to earn her own merits. Souma is there to support her, but she can't lean on him too heavily; she must become her own person.

...the only negative point is that there won't be any naked Megumi, I bet. Or even Inui.
 

FinalMax

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#47
H-Man said:
I find this interesting.

Doujima clearly is the 'boss' of the Alumni this far, what with him being able to intimidate the jackasshole into actually going along with the Shokugeki. (I really wish this had a translated word.) I'm guessing this is part of a test of his own to gauge Megumi's skills.

After all... it's not just a matter of Souma being the best cook around and just having to prove to people that he truly is, like other mangás do. Megumi's weakness is that she's constantly doubting herself and figures she's weak, in part because the years at the middle school section nearly broke her. Even if she hadn't been fired by such a jerkasshole's behavior, she still would have left Tootsuki eventually because she's too vulnerable and would make an innocent mistake.

In fact, that's what happened; she assumed that Souma's cooking skills, which had saved her ass before, would have been enough to help compliment her lesser abilities when she was faced with the rotten vegetables, unaware that it was a trap (Jerkasshole wanted to fire half the class intentionally, as opposed to Inui's more honest treatment). Disrespecting the 'rules' resulted in her firing.

Now, having taken that in mind, if we assume that Doujima is honestly willing to give Megumi a chance because of Souma's guts for challenging an Alumnus (something which never happened before), then he set her up as the leader to make her realize that she can't be weak if she wants to survive at Tootsuki, and she has to earn her own merits. Souma is there to support her, but she can't lean on him too heavily; she must become her own person.

...the only negative point is that there won't be any naked Megumi, I bet. Or even Inui.
You didn't notice the other negative point of this. This is a very blatant ploy to set up Megumi as a gradual Mary Sue love interest, a la Nodoka from Negima. We have already gone over the fact that the series can't really work if one of the main focuses is a romantic relationship, especially when it seems to involve Shrinking Violet characters.

Besides, giving her a spotlight moment is what got her into this mess. She already tried not to lean on him, and this is the result. Her and Souma's places in the school are in severe jeopardy due to bad luck.

That the challenger has been denied his rights as such is more the result of all the instructors but the most recent convert to Souma's foodgasms are assholes. If the instructor was to say that the rule didn't apply, that'd be the end of it. Then we might have to see them try to use official channels to challenge the expulsion, which might have been more interesting.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#49
The definition of 'Mary Sue' is something I won't get into right now, but suffice to say the term has been driven into the ground and my lack of experience with Negima means I can't say 'I agree'. We don't know what's going to happen until the series completes one year, if it even does.

Does this carry the risk of Megumi turning into such a character? Yes. But attempts at character development can't be denied just because of this risk. At the very least, I'm hoping that after we get this Shokugeki done, the camera will finally start focusing on the rest of the Polar Star dorm, since we have yet to see the true skills of Ms. Zoo and Mr. Smokes.
 
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